Talk:Morello crime family

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Massively incorrect. Makes far too many assumptions, most of the names are spelt wrong. Use with caution. It's just a repetition of many old Mafia myths. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.29.89 (talk • contribs)

I deleted the references to Antonio Morello. He was not related to Giuseppe Morello nor is there any evidence (aside from the claim of David Leon Chandler) that he was in the Mafia. Also deleted Saietta from Ignazio Lupo's name. He used his mother's maiden name as an occasional alias but his true name was Ignazio Lupo. Finally, deleted Rocco from Umberto Valenti. Umberto Valenti and Rocco Valenti were two different people. Umberto Valenti was a Sicilian was a member of Salvatore D'Aquila's crime family and Rocco Valenti was a member of the New York Camorra. There is probably more misinformation I did not correct, but it is much better now.RickW7x2 (talk) 19:43, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Check sources please
So far as one can tell, the unfortunate Francisco Meli/Mele was no mob boss - just a one-armed organ grinder who made the mistake of asking Antonio Morello's wife for money. Select "Keyword search" and enter "Antonio Morello" here: Mikedash 15:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

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Giuseppe Morello or Peter Morello?
Currently, there exists two Wikipedia articles: Giuseppe Morello and Peter Morello. Both articles are seemingly about the same individual -- a mafiosi with a one-fingered hand who died in August 1930. Flask (talk) 08:05, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have redirected Peter Morello to Giuseppe Morello. See Mike Dash, The First Family, Simon and Schuster, 2009, pp. 330–1. "Masseria would be accompanied by [Giuseppe] Morello, whom the Castellammarese knew as Peter Morello – 'Don Petru' – an alias he adopted since leaving prison." Ericoides (talk) 12:31, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

116th Street Crew MergeTo
The article 116th Street Crew duplicates info in this article. They appear to be referencing the same crew based on their histories. I'm not sure why 116th mentions "116th Street Mob" and this article speaks to "107th Street Mob". Google brings back a ton on 107th but nothing on 116th ... the 116th article is riddled with cleanup tags, original research and other odd-ness. --Hutcher (talk) 03:53, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * In the 1900s, East Harlem in and around 107th was under Mafia control. The area of 107th St. was the being place for "the Morello gang" (aka 107th St. Mob). After the Morello's were arrested and murdered the "107th St. Mob" broke apart. Much of the Morello gang was taken over by Joe Masseria who operated from a restaurant on 116th street in early 1920 (book "Gangbuster" pg.22 Masseria operated from 116th St). Tom Reina (a former Morello gang member) formed his own group with members of the old Morello gang during the Mafia-Camorra war. The 116th St. Mob (aka the Masseria family; now known as the Genovese family) was led by Joe Masseria with old Morello's gang members, who still operated illegal rackets on 107th St. Tom Reina's group (aka Reina family; now known as the Lucchese family) operated on 107th St., Reina controlled Tom Lucchese and Luciano small gang known as the "107th St. gang". Both families (the Masseria and the Reina) were operating in East Harlem and the Bronx. The Masseria family fought smaller gangs and took them over in lower Manhattan (like the Little Italy gang and the Greenwich Village gang). The name 116th street was used by Genovese family members in 1990 Declaration of Vincent Cafaro. The name 116th St "could be a reference to Masseria's old hangout" and the start of the Masseria crime family (Genovese family). --Vic49 (talk)  22:11, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Excellent explanation. I think this info really needs to be in the lead sections of the three articles: Morello crime family, 116th Street Crew and Genovese crime family. Your info sounds credible but to clarify: What would you like to see happen? If the Morello's, or 107th st Mob, died out then this article is cool in it's current form. Should 116th be merged into Genovese then if you say that 116th became Genovese or do we consider the 116th defunct now too and keep it separate? --Hutcher (talk) 03:59, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The original mafia gangs in the early 1890s were a lot smaller (10-30 made members, with double the amount of associates) they were center around one specific area (ex: the Morello’s in East Harlem and the Bronx). During the 1900s the Mafia groups began forming alliance with other small group leaders together forming larger "families" (ex: the Morellos East Harlem/Bronx family formed an alliance with Little Italy boss Ignazio Saietta; the Morellos and Saietta were untied bosses in one family). At the end of the Morello family leaders Morello and Saietta were arrested, leaving half Morello brothers as the leaders of the family. The half Morello brothers started a war with a rival Italian organized crime group "The Brooklyn Camorra family" (Camorra is a different type of "Italian organized crime" that wanted NYC under there control and not allow the Sicilian "Mafia"'s to control the city.) The Morello’s win the war in 1918, when the Camorra leaders are deported (the city follows the Sicilian Mafia codes from now to present day).


 * The Morello family goes into a civil war to see who controls the old Morello family rackets (Masseria a former Morello gang member active in East Harlem, vs. Joe Morello the former boss vs. Rocco Valenti) while other members of the original Morello family split (ex: Tom Reina forming his own family (today is the Lucchese family) and Salvatore D’Aqual moves into Brooklyn taking over the old Camorra gangs forming his own "New family" (today it’s the Gambino family). The Morello civil war ends with Joe Masseria and Joe Morello forming an alliance killing Valenit. From this point on the Morello family (the old 107th St. Mob) is extinct; Masseria reorganizes the family and bases it from his 116th St. restaurant.
 * The Morello crime family article should be left as its own article but need be rewritten, with references. The Morellos were the early history of Italian organized crime in East Harlem/Bronx most of what was the "Morellos" became the Genovese family today.
 * The 116th Street Crew article should be left as its own article; When Masseria became boss he appointed Ciro Terrovana as the "Capo" of the area (Capo is a leader of a Crew in a specific area and must obey the boss's orders). Joe Masseria began appointing various capos around NYC controlling the family's specific rackets in specific areas (ex: Capo of East Harlem/Bronx Crew (aka 116th Street Crew), Capo of the Little Italy Crew and Capo of Red Hook/South Brooklyn Crew; just to name a few) A Crew is a group of 10-15 made members, with associates working under one Capo. All the crew members are part of a larger family (ex: solider in the Genovese family or solider in the Lucchese family). The 116th Street Crew article is about a specific "Crew" within the larger Genovese family today (the Crew has one the oldest history in organized crime, its name comes from Masseria's old 116th Street restaurant and the old name for the Masseria family "the 116th St Mob"). The Genovese crime family article is about the leadership of the enter family, while the 116th Street Crew article is about the history of the Capo leading the crew from Coppola, to Salerno to Bellomo. The Genovese family has used many members from the 116th Street Crew to hold leadership positions (Boss, Street Boss/Front Boss, Underboss and Consigliere). --Vic49 (talk)  00:15, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

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