Talk:Motherwell F.C.

EA Sports
is there any mention on Wikipedia of the fact that Motherwell and the rest of the Scottish premier league is on EA sports FIFA 2005?--BUF4Life 03:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

All this ratings garbage...
This discussion I'm about to start probably has a much wider remit than just this article... but why has a self-appointed Wikiproject deemed itself responsible to sit and grade articles that come under a general subject header as it sees fit? Do you think editors appreciate being told their work is essentially second-rate? Erath 21:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The article quality rating is not necessarily (i think) a measure of how good the work of the editors is, but it helps the project members establish a general status of the entries related to the project, by which they know what articles need the most work, etc. B-class is pretty good (considering the tons of other important articles that are just stubs), if you are talking about this article in particular. However, please feel free to modify and/or add ratings at your criterion. Regards, ChaChaFut 04:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm far too close to the issue to be subjective about it. But surely it is more constructive to discuss possible improvements to the article - or for that matter, simply make the improvements - than stamp its talk-page with an all-encompassing 'grade' sans raison. I'm sure editors from WikiProject Football have made contributions to the article, but there are plenty who haven't too... I just feel that carte blanche is being invoked by people who haven't necessary had a lot to do with the article's content in the first place. Erath 07:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * As the editor who assessed the article, a little explanation. Yes, the ratings system is subjective, but it gives some indication of how far down the path an article is to becoming a featured article. It is meant as a quick guide, not a decree. No, I haven't worked on this article, but I've worked on a great many similar to it. I agree that discussing improvements is always helpful, but unfortunately the backlog of unassessed articles is huge, so a lot of articles don't get the attention they perhaps deserve.


 * This article is by no means second rate. Its pretty good - it gives a balanced account of the history, and has some references. The next step up from B is "good article" which has more definite criteria - the only one where this article is lacking in that respect is that significant parts of it have no references. Other things I'd suggest:
 * A section about Fir Park would be beneficial.
 * For fairly well-developed article like this one, the lead should be two or three paragraphs, see WP:LEAD.
 * The tone of the Past Strips section is geared a little too much towards fan viewpoints. Why is the 1996-98 kit regarded so badly? Why is "Come on Ye Well" infamous? The section does not explicitly state that the club play in amber and claret.
 * Discretionary plural - there is some inconsistency in whether or not the club is referred to in the plural (Motherwell is a Scottish football club... their home stadium is Fir Park) . Either is acceptable, but the same one should be used throughout.


 * For additional ideas for how the article can improve, looking at existing featured football club articles may be of benefit. Oldelpaso 09:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, a useful forum for collecting ideas and suggestions for improvement is Peer review were you can add Motherwell F.C. If you want to then notify the Wikiproject that the article is up for peer review then you'll doubtless get some helpful and constructive criticism.  Please don't take the rating thing personally, as many other editors have said, the article is in good shape and with a few prods and pokes could easily attain good article status, should this be something you're interested in pursuing.  Regardless, keep up the good work and don't hesitate to contact me or anyone else at the Football Wikiproject should you need any further words of advice.  All the best The Rambling Man 09:59, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Alrighty, thanks for some much more constuctive criticsm. Erath 17:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The answers the editors gave were not criticism, they were merely responding to your question in good faith. I see you've now asked the same question at Talk:Ball tampering .  What is the purpose of these questions Erath? &mdash;Moondyne 07:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Retiring number 10
There seems to be something of an edit war brewing wrt the retirement/non-retirement of Phil O'Donnell's number 10, I know there's a well-established precedent but has it actually been confirmed by the club yet, and can it be sourced? DrFishcake (talk) 23:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Adding citation needed to that section. Let's keep it for now. RIP Phil --n1yaN t 23:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Death of Phil O'Donnell
The death of Phil O'Donnell IS now a rather big thing in the history of Motherwell FC, yes he may have just been a man, and indeed he does have his own section. The addition of a section to the history entitled Phil O'Donnell was meant to reflect the effect that it had on the club, the fans and the local community. You can't deny it isn't a significant part in the history... —Preceding unsigned comment added by RobertsonG (talk • contribs) 21:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Could be re-worded, it sounds like we signed him and then he died, sounds almost offensive and it doesn't have to be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Come on the Mothers (talk • contribs) 21:22, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Jersey Montage
The jersey montage is exceptional, well done to whoever created it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.94.192.200 (talk) 12:45, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

pics
Images from the recent game against St Mirren and others are available on flickr here, all of these have a free licence and can be uploaded to commons. Nanonic (talk) 22:05, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Joe Wark
I notice there is no Wikipedia article for Joe Wark. He played for over 20 years for the club and was a true starPaul210 (talk) 22:12, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Club History
It seems to me that there is far too much emphasis on the current history of the club and very current events. Perhaps we should consider re-weighting the article. The reason I bring this up is because 8 paragraphs in the article are used to cover 100 years of history and a further 5 paragraphs cover the 10 most recent years. This is dreadfully unbalanced and doesn't give a good overview of the clubs history.

My suggestions are:


 * Move as much information about the current season to the article Motherwell F.C. season 2009–10 – this will remove much of the "fodder".
 * Reflect upon the relative importance of each section in the overall history of the club and edit it accordingly, noting major points in the clubs history such as:
 * Formation
 * Major successes (ie. league win and 3 cup wins)
 * Going in to (and coming out of) administration
 * Some more important aspects of the clubs recent performance might be included (such as the recent European forays) but think about what is important about this in relation to the club.

I don't want to go ahead and do this all without the approval (and help) of other contributors to this article. I'm going to work on a copy of what I think might be more suitable. Please leave any comments you have here and on my talk page. I would be very appreciative of any help from anyone.

For those who have made significant contributions to the existing section, I don't intend on entirely changing the article. Most of it will be left as is. I'm mainly talking about moving less important information and putting more recent items on the season page for the time being. If any events are seen to be more important in the future they can, of course, be moved back.

Thanks,

iMarc89 06:28, 5 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by IMarc89 (talk • contribs)

First team squad
Please do not include any players in the current squad section unless the following conditions are met:


 * The player has been confirmed as playing for the team by the club
 * The player has been assigned a squad number
 * The player is not out on loan to any other club
 * The player has made at least one appearance for the first team unless he is ineligible for any youth/reserve teams

This will save any arguments as to whether or not the player should be included. For avoidance of doubt, players who can play for the U19s team should not be included unless they have made at least one appearance for the first team, either a start or as a (used) substitute. This is why Paul Slane (who is 18) can be included. Players who have not made an appearance but are cannot play for the U19s team should be included - since the dissolution of the reserve league makes the first team their only chance of an appearance. This is why Patrick McPake (no first team appearances in league or cup matches) can be included.

I hope this makes things clearer.

iMarc89 (talk) 19:37, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

OK, this is getting ridiculous
Please take consideration of the above mentioned points. I notice that someone has removed the record victory and defeat from the infobox, yet we still have a section on the 2011–12 season. By relative importance, it seems obvious to me that all time records are more important to an overview of the club than recent results. Who will remember these 2–0 and 1–0 games in a few years' time? We've won plenty of games 1–0. But our club record victory and defeat have stood since the 1950s! Surely you can see why that's important.

And as for the 2011–12 season section itself, look at this page: 2011–12 Motherwell F.C. season. It has facts, figures, cup draws, transfers and even lists of results. This severely irks me. There is a category box at the bottom of the page which has a list of all available season pages. Nobody looking at this article for information on Motherwell F.C. needs to know our most recent results, and if they do, all they need do is click on the link in the infobox saying Current Season. Problem solved.

It is for that reason that I am deleting the entire section. Also, the section named Return to Europe could do with being thinned down a little. I was going to do it myself a while ago, but I guess it wouldn't really have mattered. The quality of contributions on this article seems to be entirely unimportant to the contributors themselves.

iMarc89 (talk) 14:56, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Coaching staff
Is there a source for Simo Valakari's appointment as manager? I think this is pure speculation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.209.44.60 (talk) 12:44, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

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