Talk:Motiur Rahman Nizami

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I have removed the following portion of the text as it was highly subjective. The removed portion is:

"But this is not as true as realistic. Because so far witnessed his personal career, he's very devotee to humanity and religion as well. He never be alleged with such crimes as his movement doesn't support these. Just to exploit politically by some of bangladeshi demotivated writers and politicians blamed him with such unrealistic and imaginative stories."

In addition, the grammar was so bad that it was really difficult to understand what the author of this text was trying to convey.

Please note that Wikipedia articles are not mud-slinging forums.

Jamaat activist
This article doesn't make sense - having said that he is alleged to have been connected with murders, it goes on to say that Nizami and his men systematically killed Bengali intellectuals. Shouldn't this be changed? Rayizmi (talk) 11:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

The wikipedia is seiously biased against Motiur Rhaman Nizami. But it is not an isolated event. It is the part of targeted propaganda against ISLAM and muslims. Wkipedia fabricated every document against any islamic political or social movement and only the SUFI type organizations are out of this propaganda. So it is clear that wikipedia and its boss west can not accept the ideological rise of ISLAM all over the world. The allegation against Nizami is absurd and ridiculous to him who know Nizami. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.0.8.12 (talk) 04:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

you guys have got to be kidding me ... you are either grossly mistaken, or just lack the neural networks to understand the monster that is Nizami. Read a book, for a change. You might enlighten yourself. This article is biased? Pfft, please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.103.126 (talk) 05:43, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

This wikiguys are thinkin' that somewhere there might be or might not be someone called Allah and obviously he is less smarter than themselves. They also think that Allah(swt) is weaker than empire 2nd Bush and queen Elizabeth of Britain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.112.196.85 (talk) 09:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * For your kind information, the subject of this article is NOT Allah. --Sabih13:16, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

You guys are jamaat shills, aren't you? If there is no proof then go change the content with approprite sources. All info there is known by all bangladeshi, except some total nuts who still believs they can turn BD into another pakistan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghorial (talk • contribs) 00:38, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

blp issue
Hi

I edit "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motiur_Rahman_Nizami" this page but not accepted i see. This page have some content which is not true and fully false allegation against Mr Motiur Rahman Nizami.

Here I add the official Protest Against this report. Plz review this and take action accordingly...

Protest against the report published in wikipedia

Central Publicity Secretary of Bangladesh Jamat-e-Islami Prof. Md. Tasnim Alam has given a statement denouncing the report published in the “Wikipedia” titled “Motiur Rahman Nizami from Wikipedia, the Encyclopeia” on 4 January-2010.

The statement says that I do vehemently condemn the false and confusing report against the Ameer of Bangladesh Jamat-e-Islami and a former minister Moulana Motiur Rahman Nizami published in the titled “Motiur Rahman Nizami from wikipedia, The Encyclopedia.”

In the report, a blatant lie has been passed after the name of Moulana Motiur Rahman Nizami referring to another report published in the Daily Sangram on 14 November 1971 where he has been mentioned as the Commander in Chief of Al-Badar group and has been accused of collaborating the Pakistan Army and driving away the minority hindus through merciless torture. Our clear exposition in this matter is that in 1971, under an ordinance declared by the then Pakistani Government, the CO, OC and the Chairmen of UPs and Municipalities recruited members for Razakar, Al-Badar and Al-shams by blowing trumpets openly in the village hats and bazaars. Moulana Motiur Rahman Nizami was not even a general member of that al Badar group, let alone its Commander in Chief. He is a renowned Islamic personality, a former minister and a distinguished citizen of the country. So terming him as Moitia Razakar is really offensive. He was not involved with any kind of killing, plunder, arson or any other anti-social activities in 1971. The case regarding GATCO was filed against him with an ill-motif of political harassment. He was accused of this false case because of being a member of the purchase committee. In the report it has been said that Bangladesh Jamat-e-Islami was established in 1978, but it is totally a wrong information. In fact B. J. I was established in 1979 and Motiur Rahman Nizami was the leader of parliamentary team of BJI from 1991 to 1996; not 1991 to 1994.

Wikipedia has published this kind of false and baseless report only to belittle the image of Moulana Motiur Rahman Nizami. I do request the wikipedia authourty to refrain from such falsehood and expect the protest would be published to remove the confusion created due to this propaganda.

Ali Ahmad On behalf of Publicity Department Bangladesh Jamat-e-Islami —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noman13bd (talk • contribs) 03:59, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The above represents the typical Jamaati attempt to mislead and misinform about their leader's role in the 1971 war. The reference has been provided from Jamaat's own newspaper the DAily Sangram. This is verifiable, per WP:V, since clippings from the news report are widely available. Multiple independent and reliable sources attest to the fact that Nizami was the commander in Chief of the Al Badr militia. If requested, more references to Nizami's rank in the al-Badr militia can be provided (though Jamat's own publication ought to suffice). Also, it is a misstatement that Jamaat was established only in 1979. Jamaat is an offshoot of Pakistan Jamaat e islami, of which Nizami was a leader. During 1972-1978, it was a banned outfit in Bangladesh.


 * Anyway, I will request everyone not to be mislead by statements from the Islamist party's propaganda department. If references are needed, just ask here, tons of references to the war crimes exist. Well-referenced statements supported by multiple reliable sources do not violate BLP. --WikiJoddha (talk) 06:19, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * As for the 14 November 1971 news report, the exact text is available here and here. If anyone is interested, I can provide an English translation which you can verify with Bengali speaking Wikipedians. --WikiJoddha (talk) 06:27, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

WikiJoddha, your sources do not seem original. For one thing, they seem to paraphrase the original Nov 14 report - it's not the original. Could you kindly get the originals? Ratibgreat (talk) 22:46, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

War crimes
The statement "During the Bangladesh Liberation War, he is alleged to have acted as the supreme commander of the Al-Badr militia, which had allegedly taken part in various war crimes including killing of hundreds of intellectuals around the country. His misdoings were finally brought into attention in the year 2009, when the Awami League reopened the cases pending against him.[1][2]" cannot possibly be supported by sources published in 2005 and 2002. Does anyone have better sourcing for this section ? Also, biased phrasing like "His misdoings were finally" doesn't help. The NPOV policy is mandatory.  Sean.hoyland  - talk 12:22, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

POV
I am appalled as a Bangladeshi to see all you engaged in slandering the man! Sure, he probably IS the single most important man behind the systematic elimination of the 3 million Bangladeshis, but that doesn't warrant slander. Ratibgreat (talk) 15:17, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

References/Sources
This article is very poorly sourced, which is unacceptable for an article on a living person. I've removed the following references:

Nizami was Murshid, Tazeen M. (2). "State, nation, identity: The quest for legitimacy in Bangladesh". South Asia: Journal of South Asian Studies, (Routledge) 20 (2): 1–34. doi:10.1080/00856409708723294.

(this doesn't mention Motiur Rahman Nizami at all)

and the following external links:

http://www.muktadhara.net/moitya.html

e-Mela

http://www.motiurrahmannizami.com/

Abbasfirnas887 (talk) 16:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I restored the Murshid reference. The reference does establish the role of Al-Badr, and that is what the citation was backing up in that section. Other citations do establish Nizami as the commander of the Al-Badr. --Ragib (talk) 21:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

It's rather tenuous to say that the reference 'establishes' the role of Al-Badr given that the only mention of that organisation in the reference appears to be this, in a footnote on page 11:

'The Al-Badr, an action front of the Jama'at-i-Islami, was responsible for a mass murder in Muhammadpur. The only survivor, D. Hossain recounted the events. More recently, the British media has uncovered war criminals belonging to the militant Al-Badr and Al-Shams, currently living in exile in Britain, 'Despatches', Channel 4 Television, United Kingdom, 1995'

which is a list of allegations, rather than a well-documented argument, and so it can hardly substantiate the claim made in the article,

'The Al-Badr militia took active part in rape, extortion, loot and specially capturing and killing of Bengalis who supported the liberation, including a pre-planned massacre on December 14, 1971, when the Al-Badr militia along with Pakistan Army rounded up hundreds of doctors, professors, writers, and other Bengali intellectuals, and executed them.'

Also, the language used in the reference is technically incorrect (the British media hasn't 'uncovered' war criminals, since no charges have been filed against the people accused in the documentary who live in Britain, let alone convicted for it). In addition, the article manages to name the ex-leader of Jamaat-i-Islami as 'Goolma Azam' in no less than seven places, casting serious doubt on the quality of the article and the peer review procedure it was subjected to.

I'm also removing the reference to Craig Baxter's book, since p. 294 of that, which is currently referred to in the article, states the following (quoted in full for completeness):

'It has been embroiled in 1992 in a controversy over its leader, Golam Azam, who opponents claim is not a Bangladeshi citizen and who was allegedly responsible for the deaths of Bangladeshi nationalists while working with the Pakistani army in 1971. He has since retired from the position and been replaced by Matiur Rahman Nizami, who is also accused of anti-Bangladesh actions during 1971.'

That quite clearly does not substantiate the claim in the article,

'During the liberation war of 1971, Nizami actively supported the cause of West Pakistan and allegedly formed the Al-Badr Force in which he acted as the supreme commander of the Al-Badr Militia.'

Abbasfirnas887 (talk) 16:51, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Priority of War Crime Conviction.
Nizami was a convicted war criminal, therefore such identity should come in forefront when introducing him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.226.237 (talk) 19:40, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

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