Talk:Mudumalai National Park

Barbarian policies by govt. and false information provided in wiki
I too live near this disputed land. Please note the real scenario of people living/dieing here as on 23.08.2012 as below:

1. The people living here are forcefully evacuated from here and 3 cents of land were given to them in a remote place initially. But afterwards no compensation was provided. 2. More shocking news is that the forest area is forcefully increased wherever/whenever possible. 3. No one was provided with Jobs as forest guide etc. Even the TOURISM is banned. Adding to the horror, The national highway passing through forest is closed and traffic is banned at nights. Even one cannot pass through the highway for emergencies like death of a relative, medical aid etc. 4. Animals like elephants have right to enter any agricultural land and destroy agricultural products, kill humans, destroy houses etc. No compensation is guaranteed. All people living here have no security on their lives/ properties and we are dieing every day fearing our lives/right to live

The foreign governments funding this project must stop their funds and let people here live with dignity. otherwise, they are held responsible for seizing our lives and properties. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.241.118.99 (talk) 17:29, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

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Title too long for "Mudumalai National Park" in Tamil .....
The title on the right says  Mudumalai National Park in English version, but it says முதுமலை தேசிய பூங்கா மற்றும் வனவிலங்கு காப்பகம் முதுமலை புலிகள் காப்பகம்

in Tamil ...For the aesthetic reason, it is requested to kindly include the tamil translation for  "Mudumalai National Park " instead of 3 line name since the original purpose of the native name in  English wikipedia page is for informational native name only rather than  full translation.

Action suggested : Please change the title on the Right side to 3 word tamil translation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happy sage (talk • contribs) 16:18, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

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Image galleries
User: Shaan Vinoth keeps adding large amounts of images into 3 galleries, despite my repeated suggestions to read and follow the respective guideline at WP:GALLERY. Since have been contributing to write this guideline, please comment on those galleries, which I removed multiple times. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:51, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Well all of these are legit photos, check their file names or if even it is wrong to add any check other tiger reserve articles too. Please dont bring our personal vengeance into this. Shaan Vinoth (talk) 11:50, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Lets ask a member of the WikiProject Biodiversity, Protected areas & Environment of India : please comment on the image galleries. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:52, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Naturally, it is in violation of the basic purpose of the encyclopedia if it is being used to display an unjustified number of images - more interestingly, since I know the area, I had to look up the elephant supposedly attacking a car - and found that the number-plate is not of Indian format. A little check identified that this is a copyright violation of an image from Thailand - see https://nypost.com/2019/11/01/outrageous-photo-shows-snoozy-elephant-resting-on-back-of-car/ Shyamal (talk) 08:09, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your prompt response, Shyamal! Then I will request speedy deletion of this image. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:27, 15 September 2021 (UTC) Just saw that you did this already. It may be worthwhile to check a few other images for copy vio issues. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:32, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I removed the extensive image galleries already twice, but this was reverted. If you also think they are not appropriate, please act as you deem fit. I suggested to place them all in a page at Commons and link this page. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:27, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Some of the images are from Southeast Asia, it would be hard to trust if any of the images actually were taken by the editor. Would be safe to remove all contributions by the user. Any further problematic edits might lead to administrative actions. Shyamal (talk) 08:53, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Shaan Vinoth - some of the images like the elephant (from Thailand) and the hawk owl from Singapore do not have a place here. Firstly they are copyright violations and there is no indication that any of the images you are adding are legitimately take in Mudumalai. Secondly they do not add value - for instance a moist deciduous forest image should show identifiable floral structure and composition, not a photograph taken by a passing tourist. Shyamal (talk) 12:50, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

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 * Elephant chasing car in mudumalai.jpg
 * Mudumalai, jungle in nilgiris, western ghats.jpg
 * Sloth bear mudumalai.jpg

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 * BengalTiger in Mudumalai National Park.jpg
 * This image was previously published at https://123rf.com/photo_10731790_royal-bengal-tiger-in-ihrem-nat%C3%BCrlichen-lebensraum-zu-sundarban-wald-in-bengal-indien.html, and copyright holder is "neelsky" (Nilanjan Bhattacharya). -- BhagyaMani (talk) 12:35, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

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 * British image of Mudumalai national park.jpg

Excessive number of images
you must reduce the number of images. On a small screen e.g. of a notebook computer, the image list is far longer than the text itself. Read Manual of Style/Images: Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, NOT primarily decorative, but meant to illustrate to aid to understanding. – BhagyaMani (talk) 11:50, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Deleted 2 images Shaan Vinoth (talk) 11:52, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Are you kidding? You need to remove at least another 15, so that the list is way shorter than the last section. – BhagyaMani (talk) 12:29, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

again: if you add images, you must delete others to keep the number reasonable. Adding images does NOT improve this page, as long as text is so mediocre and largely unsourced. – BhagyaMani (talk) 15:25, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. Please focus on content improvement (with proper sources) to balance it with the number of images. More images with less content will not make a quality article. Rasnaboy (talk) 18:05, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

why do you think is it necessary to show 2 images of a tiger when the other species are represented by only 1 image? – BhagyaMani (talk) 18:00, 9 October 2021 (UTC) (moved – BhagyaMani (talk) 18:33, 9 October 2021 (UTC))

Image layout
After lots of playing around with layout of images in the Fauna section, I would like to rope in opinions of how many images should be displayed – 4 or 6, and which layout do you prefer: all in one multiple img with 2 per row or split into 2 parts with 1 per row? And do you have any suggestions about WHICH images to show? – BhagyaMani (talk) 07:40, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I would keep them to as few as possible, in a zig-zag layout in-line with text, there are plenty of lists of wildlife and even galleries on Commons that can deal with large sets of images. I would not put in every bird that has been seen in Mudumalai into the article, the only one I would consider are the now rare and endangered white-backed and long-billed vultures, a small population of which is in the Moyar range. Other than this a few large mammals and perhaps a proper representation of a moist-deciduous forest rather than truly horrid images of overgrowing Chromolaena or teak monocultures or photos of safari trails from the tourism zone. Shyamal (talk) 09:13, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * This is an article on the park, so images pertaining the landscape, structures, maps, etc. would take precedence. Next comes the flora and fauna found in the park. Like Shyamal said, not every animal needs an image here but only the chief ones that the park is known for or the endangered ones that the park aims to preserve. Image inline with the text would be the best in my opinion (for which we would need more textual content). Multiple images intermittently would be appropriate if you think there are more images worth retaining. (This is how I managed to retain more images in the Arignar Anna Zoological Park article after adding enough text content.) Rasnaboy (talk) 10:50, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for your prompt replies!! I basically agree with both of you to remove a few more images from the present version.
 * The img File:Dry Forest Theppakadu Mudumalai Mar21 A7C 00505.jpg looks indeed like a teak plantation, but has a QI seal, which is why I kept it in. But if I understand you correctly you would remove this?
 * Alas, there are no photos of vultures in the resp. Commons page of Mudumalai NP. Therefore, I suggest to use only 3 images with QI seals, namely of Crested honey buzzard, Crested hawk-eagle and Indian pond heron, or perhaps instead of latter: the Indian roller, as this is FA page.
 * In the subsection on mammals, I consider the photos of leopard, gaur and Indian giant squirrel worth retaining, but would remove the other 3. And you ?? – BhagyaMani (talk) 11:51, 28 October 2021 (UTC); revised, BhagyaMani (talk) 12:58, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Mudumalai started life as a Wildlife Sanctuary, it was then converted to a Nat'l Park and a Tiger Reserve. Its main attraction is the fauna.  It has little landscape that is exceptional, the flora is largely teak and bamboo forests with lantana undergrowth.  It makes sense to have a larger number of images of fauna compared to other Nat'l Parks.  Cf. Mukurthi Nat'l Park with the Mukurthi Peak and Western Catchment; Great Himalayan Nat'l Park with spectacular mountain scenery, etc. I like the 2x2 or 2x3 layout showing several images relevant to a section. --Tagooty (talk) 08:04, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

This page passed the GA review with nine images including the one in the infobox. The reviewer commented that the many images in the previous version of the page caused overcrowding and did not look neat. Lets keep it that way. – BhagyaMani (talk) 10:26, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Lantana
a few days ago, I added this content Lantana camara ... negatively affects the dispersal of ..., but does not affect growth and dispersal of other shrubs. with a reference (Ramaswami & Sukumar 2011), see revision of 1 Oct. Your addition on basis of a newspaper article CONTRADICTS the findings of these 2 scientists. And AGAIN you added a bare url, despite repeated hints to read + follow respective guidelines. – BhagyaMani (talk) 08:39, 15 October 2021 (UTC); added revision id, BhagyaMani (talk) 09:01, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

K Shaan Vinoth (talk) 08:52, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for improved article
Thanks to User:BhagyaMani for diligent, persistent and patient editing of this article over the past few months. It is now a much better article, with sections of text tastefully illustrated by small galleries of relevant images. --Tagooty (talk) 02:59, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I second that. That's a very persistent effort on User:BhagyaMani's part, as always. I also appreciate newcomer User:Shaan Vinoth's efforts to improve the article. I understand this user is learning the ropes and I suggest he work in coordination with BhagyaMani and other experienced editors to achieve the best results. Rasnaboy (talk) 04:18, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes I will try my best, thank you Shaan Vinoth (talk) 04:22, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback!! Am glad that you are interested in the progress and hope you stay tuned. – BhagyaMani (talk) 07:17, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Challenges vs. threats
Anything causing destruction of habitat and death of wildlife is a THREAT, but clearly NOT a challenge. If you think otherwise, then put forward your arguments here, who you think is challenged. – BhagyaMani (talk) 18:02, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

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 * Night ride in Mudumalai - Two gaurs.jpg

Ecoregions
how often did you add a link to the South Western Ghats montane rain forests? And how often did I remove it, because it is INCORRECT? At least 5 times, possibly more! And it will NOT become correct, if you add it again and again and again. I recommend you to READ + understand the book by Wikramanayake et al. (2002) and also to get familiar with WP:CITEHOW, before you again add a bare url for the umpteenth time. – BhagyaMani (talk) 16:55, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok Shaan Vinoth (talk) 17:42, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Feedback
The Etymology is stubby - maybe combine with next section and rename to History and naming? Also who named it Mudumalai and why...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 18:31, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your feedback !!! I revised this. But Hedge (2000) did not explain who selected this name, only outlined a few cornerstones of its history from 1805 under British rule to 1986 in some 10 sentences. Do you think it worthwhile to dig deeper into pre-sanctuary history ? – BhagyaMani (talk) 21:16, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the origin of the name is worth adding if a souce can be found yes. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:14, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I traced back publications about forests in south India to a book dating 1860, in which the author mentioned logging operations in "Mudumalai forest" : volumes, people hired, elephants used, prices + that the British government RENTED this forest from the Raja of Neelampur in 1857. In later years from about late 19th century on, the focus of publications by British + French explorers gradually shifted to wildlife in "Mudumalai": butterflies, insects, wild dog. But none explained the origin of the name. So I suppose it was called "Mudumalai" long before the British arrived in south India. – BhagyaMani (talk) 10:05, 15 November 2021 (UTC)