Talk:Mufarrij ibn Daghfal ibn al-Jarrah

Ibn Killis deathbed quote and Mufarrij's descendants
I've been working on articles about the Tayy and Jarrahids (both incomplete) and came across Ibn Killis' full deathbed quote, in case you didn't have it already, from Kamal Salibi's book Syria Under Islam ... (1977) page 93. I don't know if you want to fit it in the article in whole, in part or at all, but here it is:

"In 991, as the great Fatimid minister Ya'qub ibn Killis lay dying, he gave the caliph al-Aziz the following advice: "O Commander of the Faithful, maintain peace with the Byzantines as long as they maintain peace with you. Be satisfied if the Hamdanids [of Aleppo] recognize you in the mint and the [Friday] oration. Do not spare Mufarrij ibn Daghfal ibn Jarrah, [however], if you get hold of him.'"

On the second note, feel free to edit the Jarrahids draft as you see fit. I'm not sure how best to go about that article as far as structure. It seems to have had only two rulers (Mufarrij and Hassan) and doesn't appear to have been a state along the lines of the Hamdanids, but more like a marauding Bedouin tribe constantly switching allegiance and using Palestine, Balqa and their tribe's territory in northern Arabia as a place for plunder, pasture and encampment. Since you are probably more familiar with this subject, don't hesitate to expand/revise it in draft mode. Either way, I'm moving it to mainspace in a week or two. Interestingly, I came across this subject while working on the Al Fadl clan who served as the hereditary holders of the Ayyubid/Mamluk/early Ottoman office of amir al-'arab and considerable iqta'at. Their progenitor, Fadl ibn Rabi'ah ibn Hazim ibn Ali are direct descendants of Mufarrij via his son Ali (see genealogy tree). Thus, Mufarrij's offspring continued to dominate wide parts of Syria for centuries after his death, which might be worth including in this article. What do you think? --Al Ameer (talk) 16:55, 24 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Al Ameer! Nice find on Mufarrij! I'll add it right away. I also planned to write on the Jarrahids, but real life has a habit of getting in the way. Except for small vignette articles, I don't seem to have the time for much else lately... I'll try to have a look, and will definitely work on it, whether in the sandbox or in the mainspace. IMO we should keep the Jarrahid article short, as the main articles are on Muffarij and Hassan; perhaps Mufarrij's other sons should also be included there if there is not enough info for stand-alone articles. Otherwise I agree with your last suggestion. Cheers, Constantine  ✍  19:50, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I was thinking along the same lines regarding the Jarrahids i.e. the basic sections would be "Origins/Beginnings", "Reign/Chieftainship of Mufarrij", "Reign/Chieftainship of Hassan", "Dissipation/Fall/Descendants". The middle two sections would be summaries of the main articles on Mufarrij and Hassan. --Al Ameer (talk) 23:33, 24 May 2016 (UTC)