Talk:Murder of Kitty Genovese

Confusing Wording
There's a sentence in this article, "Various aspects of an alleged lack of public response existed." I have no idea what this means. It is grade A+ officialese. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ndiekemper (talk • contribs) 18:00, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * True. I checked both references and nothing in either of them explains this (incomprehensible!) sentence so I've removed it. Thanks for finding this!--RegentsPark (comment) 18:52, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

What did Karl ross do?
The article states that Karl Ross called a friend who then called the police; but I found other accounts that claim that Ross himself called the police after climbing over the roof into a neighbours flat (he apparantly didn't want to get involved because he was gay, presumably that was also the reason for him using his neighbours phone).

This source says Ross called the police: https://nypost.com/2014/02/16/book-reveals-real-story-behind-the-kitty-genovese-murder/ This source says Ross climbed out of his window and then called the police from another flat: https://www.history.com/topics/crime/kitty-genovese#section_8 This source says he climbed into another flat over the roof and then called the police: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/asian-attack-nyc-kitty-genovese/

I don't know whether any of the sources are more reliable than the source named in the wikipedia Article, but maybe it should be mentioned that there are differenct accounts of what happened? Haenslein1 (talk) 12:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Misogyny as a motive?
I checked the reference provided (Necrophilia: Forensic and Medico-legal Aspects by Anil Aggrawal, p.144), and the specified page nor the surrounding pages seem to suggest that the murderer's motive was rooted in a hate of women. Oktayey (talk) 23:16, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Due to a lack of any explanation after two months, I've removed the claim. Oktayey (talk) 18:24, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * user:TheXuitts, Why did you restore this claim? How does the provided source at all support it? Oktayey (talk) 22:28, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @TheXuitts (Pinging again in case it didn't work the first time) Oktayey (talk) 16:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

"A Call for Help" publication date
I have changed the reference date to March 10, 2014, the print issue date in which the article was published. The free (I think) online version linked indeed has March 2, 2014 under the byline, but the print version does not, and there was no March 2 issue of The New Yorker (wrong day of the week). The online archive (available to subscribers) is always an exact replica of the print edition, and this article is in the March 10 issue. The subtitle "What the Kitty Genovese Story Really Means", included as part of the title in the ref, appears only in the print archive, not in the linked version. So the ref was already a mixture of the print and online refs. In general I feel it's much better to use the true issue date -- if someone were to search for it in a library, they need the issue date, and same if looking in the online archive. Paleolith (talk) 17:24, 30 April 2024 (UTC)