Talk:Murder of Mona Heydari

Requested move 24 January 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Page moved to Murder of Mona Heydari. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerium (talk) 17:09, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Honour killing of Mona Heydari → ? – The use of the term "honor killing" can be seen as editorializing and non-neutral because it somewhat implies that the act of killing is motivated by a sense of righteousness or morality, rather than simply being an act of violence. The term might suggest that the killing is somehow acceptable or justified by the perpetrator's cultural or religious beliefs, which is a value judgement. It would be more appropriate to use terms such as "murder" or "killing" rather than "honour killing". Using the former terms helps to accurately convey the severity of the crime, and can also help to avoid perpetuating stereotypes and biases in several ways, mainly that certain cultural or religious beliefs can somehow justify or excuse murder or that a perpetrator's culture or religion is inherently violent.

Regarding how the sources refer to it,
 * 1 - This BBC article refers to it as a so-called "honour killing" once, before using the terms "murder" and killing" to refer to the crime'''
 * 2 - This CNN article has the term honour killing between quotation marks
 * 3 - L'Orient du Jour, Le Parisien, Le Monde also have "honour killing" between quotation marks, and refer to the crime as "meutre" (murder)
 * 4 - Here, La Republicca refers to the crime as a cosiddetto "delitto d'onore" (so-called "honour killing")
 * 5 - This article by El Mundo and this one by Le Figaro do not use the term "honor killing".

I would say that the quotation marks are used to indicate that the term is controversial and disputed, and is not accepted by the society where it is used. Perhaps they are also being used to indicate irony. The Persian sources should also be examined. Mooonswimmer 16:20, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Move to Murder of Mona Heydari per WP:DEATHS. Sajjad Heydari was convicted of her murder . 162 etc. (talk) 17:49, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Move to Murder of Mona Heydari. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:17, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Honour killing of Mona Heydari → Murder of Mona Heydari per 162 etc. and Rreagan007. It should be also noted that English Wikipedia still contains a number of similar main title headers — Honor killing of Pela Atroshi, Honour killing of Anooshe Sediq Ghulam, Honour killing of Ghazala Khan, Honour killing of Sadia Sheikh, Honor killing of Hatun Sürücü. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:41, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I wasn't quite sure how to proceed with multiple articles and didn't know what the consensus would be. There might also be slight differences between the articles (how sources refer to the incident, conviction or lack of conviction). I'm willing to tackle them one by one or en masse once consensus for the move on this page is reached. Mooonswimmer 01:46, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support move to Murder of Mona Heydari ― Thank you for proposing the name change to this article, it has bothered me a lot and I didn't know how to put it in words. I agree that using the term murder is much more appropriate and neutral. Since that's the terminology that has been used by sources, we should be sticking with that. I would also argue that using the term "honour killing" in the title may not make much sense to a Western audience who doesn't have the same cultural understanding of the phenomenon, and this can be described/explained as an honour killing in the article, but should not be the title. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 (talk) 06:18, 27 January 2023 (UTC)