Talk:Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section

Notes on Creation
This page was created on August 21, 2006, in the hopes that we could flesh out this very interesting piece of soul, r&b, and rock-and-roll history. This group--and their studio--did tons of great work and I hope in the future we can have a comprehensive list of the records recorded there and the artists who did as well. I'll go home and dig at the books and get to writing. . . Gorjus 14:52, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

on the above
Nice creation. Arrived here via the article at Muscle Shoals, Alabama which has quite a complete section on music, which of course features the matter at hand. As I'm new to wikipedia, not yet sure how to go about moving it, but I'm sure someone out there can do so. Thanx. Technopat 21:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

deleted item
To whom it may concern: I have just deleted the following reference (which I had included):

Pete Carr (guitar),

The reason for deleting it is that although I came across the reference at the Muscle Shoals, Alabama article page, I have since visited the Alabama Hall of Fame website Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section and the name is not included. Apologies for any inconvenience caused and maybe someone out there knows what's going on and can include or delete the reference as required. Thanx. Technopat 22:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

External Link or Notes
Hello, there is an article here, http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1247, that might be useful as an external link? Thanks, Justin --Duboiju (talk) 16:10, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

SHOULD Duane Allman be considered part of this group? I know he did a great deal of work for the studio and thought that anyone who achieved such acclaim would harken back to his days working for this group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.127.181.211 (talk) 20:38, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Date closed ?
>"The studios in Sheffield were later bought by longtime friend Tommy Couch..."

Does anyone have a date for this? Rissa, Guild of Copy Editors (talk) 02:51, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Swampers Full names
Swampers are Barry Beckett, Jimmy Johnson, David Hood, and Roger Hawkins. Not in article. Randy Golden (talk) 18:44, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

the Rolling Stones
I removed the Stones from the section that read "he studio turned out hits with the Rolling Stones," because I suspect that the Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section had very little to do with those recordings. I'll check, and you should too. Carptrash (talk) 18:21, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * And now, a year later, I am wondering just what the section on the Rolling Stones has to do with the Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section? Which is what the article is about. Carptrash (talk) 04:41, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree. The section on the Stones should be excised, as should the section on Aretha Franklin.  The details are at best tangential to this article, though the sessions could and should be mentioned briefly in running text.  This article is not about the Muscle Shouls studios, which are covered in articles elsewhere - it is specifically about the session musicians.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 06:41, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

The section about Aretha is about the musicians, explaining how it was that they ended up recording in NY. It (opinion) needs to remain. Carptrash (talk) 16:07, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that a lot of the material is interesting background that would be far better placed at "I Never Loved a Man (The Way I Love You)" - where it is mentioned very briefly at present - rather than in this article.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:23, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Article omits the original Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section
The original Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section hired by Rick Hall in 1960 consisted of Jerry Carrigan, Norbert Putnam and David Briggs and others. These musicians made the first hit at FAME that put the recording industry spotlight on this unknown little studio. The hits continued and put the studio on the map, drawing The Tams, Arthur Alexander, Tommy Roe and others to record there. The original players quit simultaneously in 1965 to pursue more lucrative opportunities as session players in Nashville, each achieving great success there; but Rick Hall was suddenly without a rhythm section, hence the "second wave" of the Muscle Shoals session players called the Swampers. The article title is misleading because it is only about the second wave of players. To improve it, the full story of the "Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section" should be told. As it currently stands, the article should be titled "The Swampers". Eagledj (talk) 20:03, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * My view is that the article should certainly mention the earlier musicians at Muscle Shoals like Carrigan, Putnam and Briggs – but that it is the later musicians like Beckett, Hawkins, Hood and Johnson to whom the term "Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section" is usually applied – for example in the Alabama Music Hall of Fame citation here. Would that work as a compromise?   Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:55, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It would be a good compromise. The article needs some other clean-up as well. Eagledj (talk) 23:49, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Bob Dylan
I am wondering if Dylan should be included here because the Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section contributed maybe one, maybe maybe two members to his recordings here. Your thoughts? Carptrash (talk) 20:46, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Good point. The lead prefaces this conundrum by stating "... these musicians, individually or as a group have been associated with more than 500 recordings, including 75 gold and platinum hits" The phrase "associated with" is how the hall of fame piece chose to put it to make the statement true. If two swampers worked on the Dylan project, the were "associated" with it. Eagledj (talk) 13:15, 23 September 2019 (UTC)