Talk:Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water

Electra is Atlantean
Isn't Electra a survivor of Tartessos? I think it says in episode 22. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.73.161 (talk)
 * Now, the last episode specifically mentioned the only survivors of the Atlantean are the three from the imperial family, and the others are all humans created by them afterwards. MythSearchertalk 09:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Copy-edited needed
Some of the grammar and spelling in the character section is really poor. 10:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.252.195.126 (talk • contribs).

Recent "citation needed" templates
To put it simply : where do all these informations about the so-called early Miyazaki concept and its latter development by Gainax come from ? Folken de Fanel 23:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok I found it by myself.Folken de Fanel 16:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Section Revision and Plot Summary
Right now this article doesn't have a plot summary section. The article goes straight from an introduction (which is rather long) to character descriptions. The amount of information in the introduction needs to be cut down, with all the useful information moved to appropriate sections. Thoughts or opinions about this, anyone? I'd like to know what other people think before I go ahead and just change things. Xaphon 01:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Tartessos
Tartessos was a country in southern iberian peninsule, today (Spain) at time of greeks and fenician colony. La civilización Tartessia era un grupo humano de comerciantes marineros, afincado en el sur de España hace 2.000 o 2.500 años, que traían estaño de las Islas Britanicas y explotaban minas de plata autoctonas con las que comerciaban con griegos y fenicios. Tartessos fue el motivo principal del establecimiento de colonias griegas y fenicias, y más tarde romanas y cartaginesas en el sur de la peninsula iberica. Un rey tartesso muy famoso para los griegos fue Argantonio. 212.97.183.228 12:03, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Electra
Electra's Atlantean. In Episode 22, it shows Electra surviving the destruction of Atlantis, so I woul say she's Atlantean instead of human. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.73.161 (talk) 06:29, 6 November 2007 (UTC) In the story, it is specifically mentioned that the only Atlantean left are Nemo, Nadia and Neo when Gargoyle tried to touch the stone and is being disintergrated. And newest discussion topic goes to the bottom. MythSearchertalk 07:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Revert on Cleanup by Nohansen
Nohansen, I know you put a lot of effort into it, but this cleanup is quite drastic. Perhaps discussing the changes would be better prior to the actual edit. Sjschen (talk) 01:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The article was full of point of view problems and "peacock" terms. ("Marie is a very strong character, who is at the same time a child but also acts like an adult"; "Nadia is quite stubborn, easily irritable, socially inept"). The list of mechas is trivial and not really necessary. The article lacked a "Plot" section. What was salvageable of the "Trivia" section (tagged since December 2007) was turned into a "Production" section. The article was tagged, for over two months, for being "too long or detailed". Nothing of substance was lost; the change is really for the best, as now the article can grow in an organized manner.--Nohansen (talk) 01:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My main concern was with the removal of the characters section. Although, it is full of POV it is still salvageable. But since it is now moved to the list of character's article, and work can be done with it there, this revision is okay. Sjschen (talk) 04:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

If someone wants to help, the "Plot" section needs to be filled up.--Nohansen (talk) 01:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Episode Guide.
Why is there no Episode Guide, I want to resume watching this show years later and I don't have any idea where I left off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.108.81.178 (talk) 04:19, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Yamaga & Akai on the legalities
Mr. Yamaga 	Nadia: Secret of the Blue Water is the series that we feel regret for. We feel that they didn't do the best job possible. Mr. Akai 	In fact, they were working for another corporation when they made Nadia. They did all of the creative work, yet they had absolutely no rights to it. A lot of people have come to them asking questions about the series or about merchandising and they really can't answer because it is not their series. They just did all of the work. Originally, NHK would send them the script, saying this is how exactly they want it done. The director, Mr. Anno, what he would do was take the fax, staple it and throw it in the garbage. For some strange reason, every single week they would get the scripts. Mr. Yamaga 	Since NHK wasn't getting the product that they thought they were getting and the delivery of the product was getting slower and slower, NHK actually called them to scold them. In fact, Gainax got really upset and ended up yelling at NHK. Mr. Akai 	Since NHK is half run by the government, they've kind of cycled through all the people, so there are all these fresh faces. Yet in Grouptux(sp?) and Gainax there are pretty much the same people that were working on Nadia: Secret of the Blue Water are still working there. Now, they (NHK) are making lots of money on the Nadia DVD and they wanted to have a reunion party but they did not realize how incredibly bad the situation was originally. They (Gainax) decided that it would not be a good idea because there would be a very big conflict. Mr. Yamaga 	NHK was very happy about it. They were very friendly about the reunion party but the people from Gainax were perplexed. Mr. Akai 	When Atlantis got released, NHK actually asked them what exactly they thought about Nadia. They were kind of puzzled because they are kind of a subsidiary and it was not like they had any kind of decision making power. So they were mystified as to why NHK bothers asking them. On the internet, there was a lot of talk about how Atlantis was so similar to Nadia. Of course, Disney says that they have never seen or heard of a series called Nadia. NHK came to Gainax because of this and asked them how they felt about this implication that Disney was plagiarizing the series. They didn't really have anything to say because they weren't the parent corporation. It was not like they had any rights anyways. Mr. Yamaga 	We actually tried to get NHK to pick a fight with Disney, {Laughter} but even the National Television Network of Japan didn't dare to mess with Disney and their lawyers. What we said to them was, this really had nothing to do with us but if it did we would definitely take them to court. Of course, it is all a lie. We actually did say that but we wouldn't actually take them to court. We would be so terrified about what they would do to them in return that we wouldn't dare.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040101025405/http://www.anime-tourist.com/article.php?sid=299 --Gwern (contribs) 22:39 13 August 2011 (GMT)

Manga Impact
Manga Impact: The World of Japanese Animation, 6 December 2010, ISBN 978-0714857411; pg 171:

With skin as smooth as ebony, round eyes, black hair and a precious stone around her neck, Nadia is a young acrobat traveling in Paris. There she meets Jean, a brilliant inventor, and with him begins the long journey to unravel the mystery of the stone. Their expedition is punctuated by encounters with a number of famous character they meet along the way, the most important being the perplexing Captain Nemo and a bunch of ramshackle opponents who are so evil, they seem to have spilt over from a Tatsunoko production. The Secret of Blue Water - designed by a young Anno Hideaki as an adaptation of two masterpieces by Jules Verne, The Mysterious Island and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea - is a good example of the cultural amalgamation that characterizes the new anime scene. The two protagonists make an exceptional couple. Nadia is a committed and introverted ecologists who wears the secret of her origins around her neck, while Jean is a demonstrative and extroverted young man who is fascinated by adventures and by flying machines. Through them, the series describes a bygone world at the end of the nineteenth century, when technology was in its infancy and the possibilities for progress seem endless, contrasted with the modern world that appears to be a real threat to human civilization. These narrative elements recall Miyazaki's Castle in the Sky (1986). The film's light touch in terms of design is also echoed here by Sadamoto Yoshiyuki. The use of soft colours in the layout is masterful, especially the range of blues and greens. The experience of this world is finally filtered by Anno, who uses irony to counteract the inherent pathos within the character of Nadia. C.C. [Carlo Chatrian]

--Gwern (contribs) 19:49 23 December 2011 (GMT)

Pre-production discussion
This section is atrocious. Can someone please sort it out? The only cite provided for this rambling narrative is not even a link. Blitterbug 18:38, 17 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blitterbug (talk • contribs)

Detailed credits per episodes
Someone moved their list to a new article and removed the credits but there're still available in this old revision :. I don't know what to do with them as I had never seem a similar contents before. Still I think some people might be interested by it. Moreover let's not forget that a contributor spent some time adding it in the first place so it's also a question of respect. Jeanacoa (talk) 15:01, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merge with List of Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water characters
This series has a small enough cast that a proper summary of the characters wouldn't burden the article, so there is no real need for the current, slightly bloated list. TTN (talk) 19:40, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Not only is the split perfectly legitimate, but it was only just done. Why was it done? Well because the cast is certainly big enough that it could easily over burden the main article, and I'm sure you know that such articles are perfectly legitimate if they are for the actual characters of a series (as opposed to say, a francrufty mecha list).The list needs work yes, but thats because it was a quick and dirty split to clean up the main article. The real question is can the list be developed into a proper article, and yes it can. It's actually part and parcel of the work in improving the main article, which is ongoing (and being done by me) and why the character article isn't properly developed yet, a lot of the sources are going to be there same. I'll leave the tag there for the moment, but your reasoning isn't grounds for merging. Dandy Sephy (talk) 21:35, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * My memory is on the blink and I've confused this with another page, the page was actually created some time ago. That said, the rest of my comments stand.Dandy Sephy (talk) 21:43, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Character lists certainly can be proper splits, but it doesn't mean every series needs one. When the series has so many that half of them need to be cut just to manage a proper list, that is certainly acceptable, but splitting simply for the sake of splitting has always seemed like a weird idea. Twelve characters and a brief bullet to summarize any important Nautilus crew members is hardly going to take up more than 8KB. TTN (talk) 22:10, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Merging character lists based on character count and the size of the text is a potentially misleading justification. Ultimately though, rather than argue the point with two people firing off equally valid opinions the best thing for me to do is simply improve the article enough to make the point by itself. Considering two of the characters are borderline capable of having individual articles based on third party commentary, it shouldn't take much. Presumably you can leave enough time that I shouldn't have to rush to do it right this minute? Dandy Sephy (talk) 22:44, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm in no particular rush with it. TTN (talk) 23:01, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Some page fixing would be good, but I don't think it needs to be re-merged back in. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 21:24, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose The first edit to the character article was 01:59, 28 April 2008‎ (18,252 bytes) (+18,252)‎ (split from Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water). That article is now 23,007 bytes.  Too much to properly merge back to this one, and no reason to do so.   D r e a m Focus  07:26, 30 August 2014 (UTC)