Talk:Naruto/Archive 8

Too much emphasis on plot.
A majority of the character articles are loaded with plot summary. Simply put, after a brief explanation of their background and abilities, the article goes into detail about every time they twitch on-screen. I did a bit of experimenting on Naruto Related Drafts, and here's what I came up with...

Current article size...


 * Naruto Uzumaki - 46,814 bytes
 * Sakura Haruno - 20,904 bytes
 * Sasuke Uchiha - 23,129 bytes
 * Kakashi Hatake - 25,737 bytes
 * Shikamaru Nara - 18,528 bytes
 * Ino Yamanaka - 10,498 bytes
 * Choji Akimichi - 13,598 bytes
 * Asuma Sarutobi - 9,827 bytes
 * Kiba Inuzuka - 10,479 bytes
 * Shino Aburame - 8,089 bytes
 * Hinata Hyuga - 10,527 bytes
 * Kurenai Yuhi - 7,880 bytes
 * Rock Lee - 14,871 bytes
 * Neji Hyuga - 13,039 bytes
 * Tenten - 6,025 bytes
 * Might Guy - 13,132 bytes
 * Gaara - 21,907 bytes
 * Kankuro - 11,580 bytes
 * Temari - 8,475 bytes
 * Jiraiya - 11,802 bytes
 * Orochimaru - 20,125 bytes
 * Tsunade - 13,313 bytes
 * Third Hokage - 10,186 bytes
 * Sai (Naruto) - 9,472 bytes
 * Yamato (Naruto) - 9,256 bytes
 * Kabuto Yakushi - 13,141 bytes

Now, on my subpage, I went and deleted every instance of plot on that page. By my definition plot is any event that happens in the timeline of the series between the start of the series and the gap and from the end of the gap to the most current event. Events that happen only in flashbacks are still left on. Here's the thing - articles that lost 25%-49% of their size are italicized. Articles that lost 50% or more are bolded:


 * Naruto - 25,275 bytes
 * Sakura - 8,965 bytes
 * Sasuke - 9,845 bytes
 * Kakashi - 14,141 bytes
 * Shikamaru - 8,761 bytes
 * Ino - 5,663 bytes
 * Choji - 7,995 bytes
 * Asuma - 6,489 bytes
 * Kiba - 5,285 bytes
 * Shino - 4,805 bytes
 * Hinata - 5,935 bytes
 * Kurenai - 4,889 bytes
 * Lee - 7,322 bytes
 * Neji - 6,779 bytes
 * Tenten - 4,213 bytes
 * Guy - 8,118 bytes
 * Gaara - 11,744 bytes
 * Kankuro - 6,336 bytes
 * Temari - 4,762 bytes
 * Jiraiya - 7,926 bytes
 * Orochimaru - 11,584 bytes
 * Tsunade - 7,409 bytes
 * Third - 7,764 bytes
 * Sai - 4,035 bytes
 * Yamato - 4,330 bytes
 * Kabuto - 6,438 bytes

As you can see here, the Third is the only among the group checked to escape with more than 75% of its content, and that's only because he died before much more could be added to his profile. All the rest lost at minimum 25% of what they had once all of the plot stuff was cut out; most of them lost at least 30%, and nearly a fourth of them lost 50% of their mass. The fact that we have a 126 kb-total plot summary (not even counting the episode list) does not aid this little tidbit. Point being, there is too much emphasis being placed on the plot.

Look over the data for a while. I'll have a proposition ready for tomorrow.  You Can't See Me!  07:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * In a roundabout way, this is the major issue that would be tackled after the current one (reducing the jutsu articles into one, as I'm doing here) is solved. Personally, I would massively compress the plot summary to a bare minimum and link to the relevant season in List of Naruto episodes, or to the appropiate plot section, whether it be Plot of Naruto or Plot of Naruto: Shippuden. However, still bring forth your proposition. I'm interested =] Sephiroth BCR 07:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * A general guideline for what kind of plot development is detailed in each character entry would be nice. As it is now, anything somewhat interesting is included in character articles. If the scope were to be narrowed to a character's development, that would drastically limit the length of articles as well as the number of articles that exist. Incidentally, the episode articles are still a work in progress, as there has been little effort made into summarizing the fillers. ~SnapperTo 23:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

It turned out to be less of a proposition than I thought... Yeah, it is a guideline after all. I have what I think to be a fair guideline on my Naruto Related Drafts subpage. Have a look at it. I'm open for suggestions, so leave any comments, suggestions, and expletives you have on its currently nonexistant discussion page.  You Can't See Me!  07:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I have the guidelines updated. Have another look. I'd really prefer to get a larger consensus before attempting to implement this.  You Can't See Me!  07:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I really should pay more attention. I personally like how the Bleach articles are setup. We should have sections akin to that. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I noticed Snapper took a shot at removing much of the plot in articles, starting with Hinata Hyuga. I think it works, although I'm of the opinion that the analysis section might need a bit more sourcing that isn't the manga or anime itself. Wonder what everyone else thinks of the change. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 07:49, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It's a nice setup. A little clarification might be needed at some points, and characters with more plot relevance might be slightly more difficult to adapt, but it works. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:58, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed. It's a much cleaner presentation. Sephiroth BCR 07:59, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Sections for this build that I'm thinking of adding where needed (though out of place and/or unneeded in Hinata's article) would be Plot, a summary of the essential, bigger plot points for the character, and Recent chapters, an overly long summary of recent events that (ideally) are worked into the rest of the article once they stop being recent. Divisions of some sections into a Part I and Part II heading might be needed, though avoiding that would be nice. In addition, a Death (or for Hidan Defeat [and De____ for Orochimaru]) section could be used when appropriate, as a character's defeat is at times their only contribution. ~SnapperTo 04:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

On a semi-related tangent, I noticed that the following concern was expressed above:

"Personally, a great deal of the character articles can be merged. That say Tenten and Shino Aburame have articles is ridiculous considering the miniscule amount of content. The problem is the solution. Merging them into List of Konoha ninja isn't appropiate, as the article will be absolutely massive in scope, and liable to be split, which revives the defunct List of Konoha [ninja rank] articles. This doesn't work either, as the number of Genin is still far too small, making the article seem insignificant, and by all means, we're not merging Naruto Uzumaki into there. Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, and Kakashi can retain their own articles, as they're the major characters. I suppose enlarging the Rookie Nine article would be a possible solution, but not for all the characters. The big problem is that Neji, Shikamaru, Gaara, Orochimaru and others have more than enough content to qualify as articles. [...] Sephiroth BCR 04:18, 27 April 2007 (UTC)"

Is this still a concern? If so, I experimented, and this Team 10 draft, an almost pure c&p job, is only ~35kb, rather good when taking the amount of info on it into account. I can imagine that a Team 8 article can also easily be done once everything is compiled. Team Guy is something of a concern due to Lee, Neji, and Guy, but I would Lee's and Guy's abilities would overlap a bit and Tenten's severe lack of information has a chance of balancing it out. Perhaps Akatsuki guys can be done in pairs, along with Haku/Zabuza and Sai/Yamato. Kabuto's team could be broken out of Land of Sound and merged into Kabuto's article so that he's not left behind. Team Kakashi members should be notable enough to get their own articles. The problem is, we'd be screwing ourselves over should any of these characters become more prominent.  You Can't See Me! 


 * A more elegant solution: merge by teams, save the main characters. That's fine. Sephiroth BCR 05:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * That really seems like a more dramatic step than necessary. Putting Tenten on a list of sorts I could support, but putting almost every character on a similar list is overstepping the need to lessen the amount of articles. ~SnapperTo 05:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

New idea: $$Shino + Kurenai + Tenten + Sai + Yamato < 32kb$$ If we could create a Main characters of Naruto page or something of the sort featuring the five above characters alongside quick descriptions of and main article links for the other 13 main squaddies, I can picture the article falling just below 40kb, which isn't too bad.

I still think that the Akatsuki teams can be grouped in pairs, as can Zabuza and Haku, though.  You Can '  t See Me!  05:14, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok first thing, YOUR GOING TO CHANGE THE DAMN THING BACK TO NORMAL! Second, your not going to change it. Unless someone goes out there and makes a Naruto wiki will all the stuff from before on it, your going to leave it alone. GET IT! --Jareth shadow 00:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Too late. This is an encyclopedia, not a fansite. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 18:17, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Dude settle down the articles focus on plot to get a good charector backstory and allow for more analysis WP:SCREW WP:SPIDER Matthew2c4u 17:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Update
Umm i noticed that there has been no update on the previous shipudden chapters released on may 4, so whats the deal? Were chapters even released this day, cause thay usually are on fridays.24.185.163.37 22:56, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


 * No RAW = No WP:V. –Gunslinger47 22:59, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

wat? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.163.37 (talk • contribs)

No chapter was released this week because of the Golden week in Japan. So no RAW (manga in japanese, not translated) DenizTC 23:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

How Long?
Does anyone know how long Kishimoto plans to keep Naruto Going? Has he done any statements or predictions? Maybe it should be added to the article if he has said something (ex. The author of one piece planned it would last five years as stated in the one piece article.) Please, does anyone know?! 70.124.9.195 23:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Not really. If I remember correctly, he says that he has a particular conclusion in mind, but he never stated how much longer it would take to reach that.  You Can't See Me!  07:05, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Well lets hope it just keeps going for a long time

Why?
Lately I've been thinking and I was wondering, Why did the fourth Hokage seal the Kyuubi inside Naruto. Why didn't he seal it inside himself and then died (like the third hokage did to Orochimaru's arms). And why didn't Naruto die when the fox was placed in hime? Please answer.68.206.79.92 23:24, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Condeming him to twelve years of horrible, off-screen torture? Well, that's just the way we do things around here. :)
 * Seriously, this is one of the biggest questions of the series and will likely be explained in time. Nothing definitive has been said regarding it in the series or any other published media, so we're left to speculate.  Discussing speculation is against the Talk page guidelines, so you might want to ask about this elsewhere on some forums instead. –Gunslinger47 23:35, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Seriously, this is one of the biggest questions of the series and will likely be explained in time. Nothing definitive has been said regarding it in the series or any other published media, so we're left to speculate.  Discussing speculation is against the Talk page guidelines, so you might want to ask about this elsewhere on some forums instead. –Gunslinger47 23:35, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks68.206.79.92 23:46, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone's been watching too much Naruto:TAS!Retlor 00:08, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It was already sort of explained... they don't want to simply kill the fox, they want to take control of its power. Because they were at war, each nation needed a trump card, so they all tried to take control of the tailed beasts. Sunagakure got one-tail, and Konoha got nine-tails, other villages got the other beasts. Gaara was made the container for the one-tails because his father wanted him to have that power. And then you can guess why the 4th decided to bestow all that power to Naruto. — Sandtiger  01:49, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Other reasoning is also applicable however. As Gunslinger aptly pointed out, however, this isn't a forum. Try to discuss material relevant to improving the page itself please. Sephiroth BCR 01:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Why only some articles?
I was wondering why only some articles have been affected by the mass removal of backgrounds/plot summaries (Tenten, Kurenai) and the others have remained untouched (Choji, Guy, Orochimaru). I can understand if you guys just haven't gotten to them yet, and I'm not complaining about this or anything so please don't get me wrong, but something should be done about this. // Decaimiento  Poético  21:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not doing any of the editing myself, but I guess they haven't gotten to them. It probably takes a while to completely remove any traces of plot summary from an article. Raven23 21:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You guessed correctly. I'm focusing my efforts at the moment on characters who haven't done much, hence the reason why the larger character articles are still the in their lengthy forms. ~SnapperTo 03:32, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * So far, we've done: Naruto Uzumaki, Shikamaru Nara, Ino Yamanaka, Shino Aburame, Hinata Hyuga, Tenten (Naruto), Asuma Sarutobi, Kurenai Yuhi, Jiraiya (Naruto), Third Hokage, and Zabuza Momochi (to the best of my knowledge). We will eventually get to the rest of them.  You Can't See Me!  06:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * well im curious to why you are doing this.24.185.163.37 21:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * See above.  You Can't See Me!  22:53, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

changes
ive noticed lately that many of the pictures from the articles have been taken out. i have also noticed that many of the characters techniques have been taken out of there articles(i know its only signature jutsu/kekkai genkai, but some were neccisary to keep in the articles).can i please have an explanation for this?24.185.163.37 21:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

waterfall village
cartoonnetwork is saying that there will be an 1 hour special called Naruto: save The Waterfall Village. I didnt see any info on this in any articles. 67.189.192.245 20:18, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like they're referring to the 2004 Jump Festa OVA, Battle at Hidden Falls, I am the Hero!. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 21:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Of course it doesn't say anything about the battle of the waterfalls, nobody has ever seen it until now if you didn't see that episode come to my profile.Mangalover911 21:19, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Jutsu deletion alert
I've noticed that a lot of characters are missing their techniques. Kakuzu and Sai now have no techniques, Zabuza has lost the silent kill, Haku has no demonic ice mirrors, Jiraiya has two crappy jutsu left, the puppets page is gone, and all wood release techniques are gone. I have attempted to replace the techniques, but they were deleted again.
 * The powers of individuals appear to be detailed in their entries under the #Abilities section. –Gunslinger47 21:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * But that still defeats the purpose of the signature jutsu box. Also, the wood techniques, Sai's ink techniques, and Kimimaro's bone abilities are still missing
 * They're at the respective page on Kekkei genkai. Sai's are in his abilities section. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 00:36, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

But they aren't in the normal jutsu pages.
 * But the info is still present. Blame the weird merger idea they're testing out. --tjstrf talk 21:13, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Powerful Justsu
Has naruto already used the powerful justu that Jiriya told him not to use at the beginig of part 2?


 * Inane might have mistranslated that. Jiraiya doesn't use the word "jutsu" in episode 8/9.  He appears to be talking about Naruto's four-tailed demon form…  Which Naruto later uses against Orochimaru. –Gunslinger47 21:12, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * "Jutsu" in its strictest, most literal definition (that I am aware of...) means "technique." Jiraiya might have simply said, "Don't use that technique." It didn't necessarily have to be a ninjutsu. It was likely the 4-tailed shell.  You Can '  t See Me!  23:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Signature jutsu
As we move jutsu into an "Abilities" section for various characters, the "Signature jutsu/Kekkei genkai" section is frequently turned into a section for jutsu that do not fit into the abilities section. Should a full listing be used (even providing unlinked examples) or should it simply be done away with entirely? It's rather arbitrary in terms of what goes in there, and we don't really have a concrete policy on what does go in there. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 23:48, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * So long as all of the relevant jutsu are included/mentioned in the article in some fashion, the section can probably be removed from the template whenever the integration is completed. If people complain, then heaven forbid they should read the article. ~SnapperTo 00:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. If the jutsu are included in the abilities section, that part of the template should be removed. We probably won't get as many people complaining that way. -- Ghost Stalker  (Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 23:38, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Info Box
In the Info box where it says that there are 38 volumes and 355 chapter, there should be a link to list of naruto chapters so that you don't have to scroll all the way down and click on it.70.124.13.23 19:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Popular
Should we include, on this page, that Naruto is the most popular anime on Cartoon Network?

Is that original research or can it be referenced? --Putmalk 01:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, it would make sense. One Piece is complete sh*t, Mar and Prince of Tennis are new, BoBoBo.... enough said, Bleach is late at night along with several other anime, Naruto is the center of many Toonmi specials, and all the other anime is crap or relatively unknown. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares

Regardless, without any sort of concrete proof (and these opinions are hardly so), nothing can be done in terms of listing it as the most popular anime on Cartoon Network. Maybe a list of ratings for each of those shows listed, or something. 75.45.67.69 15:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah...but it think Narauto's the most popular anime...Ok, maybe i obsess a little but it's true. People can watch Naruto more cuz it's not as late as the others and at least Naruto doesn't suck as much.--Bloody rock princess 16:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

What I DO know is that "not sucking" isn't valid proof of popularity. (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Naruto Abridged
Will somebody please add an article about the Abridged Version? This series is way funnier than the original one. you can watch it at http://www.dailymotion.com/MasakoX. its so funny, i laughed my but off lol. 70.176.252.68 04:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Why? There's no real reason to create it other than that you want it to be because you find it funny-- $U IT  04:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well u can tell more people about it.


 * Would you say that it passes the Notability guidelines? –Gunslinger47 05:14, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I hope.70.176.252.68 04:21, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Then the answer is no. We're not writing any article, adding any section, or even writing a footnote about some fan re-dub of the series. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Fan though I am of the Abridged Series, I agree with Someguy, it doesn't meet notability standards for Wikipedia.86.151.156.183 17:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Interestingly, Maile Flanagan had a response to the Abridged series at a recent con. The Dailymotion version has been deleted for some reason. –Gunslinger47 23:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The only notable of the many "Abridged Series" of animes at all is Yugioh Abridged, it's by far the funniest and is one of Youtube's most popular videos. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares

TV Anime change request
In South Korea, "Tooniverse" is broadcasting Naruto. Could someone change this?

A Question
since naruto's publication in the U.S. will be speeding up, will we cange the picture on the info box to a shippuuden one? Or do we have to wait for the anime to catch up?


 * If I recall correctly, the reason for using pictures from the first part for this article's infobox as well as all other Naruto-related articles is because it's believed that their younger selves are the more recognizable forms. Ideally, Wikipedia articles should be written from an out-of-universe (real life) perspective whenever possible. –Gunslinger47 00:32, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

References (on all Naruto articles)
It's great that we have a list of sources for the information we post. But a big problem we have is our lack of references in articles. In the 30,000+ kilobytes of text at Naruto Uzumaki, we have one reference; in the 60,000 at List of Konoha ninja, we have none. Yet Isshin Kurosaki, an article with roughly a fifth of the amount of content than Naruto Uzumaki, has four references. This isn't good for the Naruto articles. Had the articles used references — like Hidan (Naruto), Sasori, and Kakuzu — we'd probably have a lot more good, or maybe even featured, articles. I'd be willing to help — especially since summer break is coming and I'll have more than my share of free time — but my knowledge is limited only to the first 15 volumes, the Part I episodes, and a select few games. // Decaimiento  Poético  18:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The problem is not limited specifically to references, although it is a large problem. Every single character article is at least 90% in-universe, and any self-respecting GA reviewer would instantly fail it on those grounds, even with references. Unless someone can scrounge out character conception, in other media, real-life reception, and other things, I can't see any of the character articles becoming a GA. As for the primary Naruto article, with extensive work, we could bring it up to GA (and eventually FA hopefully) status if we follow what editors did at Bleach (manga). Sephiroth BCR (Converse)  18:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Character conception is difficult to come by; only Team 7 has seen a noticeable amount of detailing by Kishimoto in this regard. Other media is certainly possible, though our resident Naruto video game experts seem uninterested in creating this section. Real-life reception is difficult for most fictional characters; Naruto is the only character who has any hope of reaching this particular goal. As for general in-universe sources, I've always been more than willing to add them, though I've never been sure of what I should be sourcing. I could find a source for each and every sentence, though I really have no interest in doing that. Also, the episode lists could likely reach Featured status if we tried hard enough. Maybe even the manga list too. ~SnapperTo


 * We certainly can't expect all the character articles to become GAs, but we can try for the more major ones. The amount of detail does not need to be overwhelming (which would be needed for an FA, but no character article besides Naruto has any hope of going that far), but it does need to be reasonably balanced as versus the in-universe information. For the purposes of getting character articles to GA status, we would need to heavily reduce the in-universe information, and add a fair bit of out-of-universe information. Presence in video games, any random cameos/comments/news articles/etc, and those Shonen Jump polls would do. As for the episode lists, List of Bleach Agent of the Shinigami arc episodes would be a good template to use. We certaintly can get the episode lists that have been released in English to FL status. Sephiroth BCR (Converse)  23:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Translated Jutsu names in related articles.
I was wondering, why are Chidori and Rasengan translated to their literal meanings in all of the related articles when Sharingan, Byakugan, etc aren't? Chidori and Rasengan are the names of the jutsu like Sharingan is the name of the Kekkei Genkai, if they're going to be called "Spiraling Sphere" and "One Thousand Birds" in every article, shouldn't Sharingan be called "Copy Wheel Eye"? - The Norse 22:25, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Both Chidori and Rasengan have been changed back to their original names now. -- Ghost Stalker  (Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 00:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

well the full name is sharingan copy wheel or copycat eye.Ultimaterasengan 23:38, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No, the name of the Uchiha Clan's kekkei genkai is simply Sharingan. The "copy wheel" or "mirror wheel" are just terms that Viz added onto their earlier translations of the Naruto manga to help people understand the concept behind the Sharingan. -- Ghost Stalker  (Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 18:08, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

No it's Sharingan's translated name.Ultimaterasengan 18:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Another AFD on Plot of Naruto
Just letting you guys know, in case you havent noticed, there's currently an AFD going on regarding the aforementioned "Plot of Naruto" article. Judging by the responses there, I dont believe you have. Anyway, be sure to make your opinions known about this at the AFD. -- Ghost Stalker  (Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 00:23, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Comparisson?
Just wondering, is it possible that we could have a section that compares current naruto to its very first pilot? Just wondering... Busboy

Naruto task force
A Naruto task force has been proposed here. Feel free to add your name to the list of prospective participants.  Sephiroth BCR  Converse  06:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry i'm stupid what does that mean?Ultimaterasengan 23:38, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It means that there is now a proposed subproject of the Anime and Manga WikiProject to deal specifically with articles related to Naruto. John Carter 17:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Naruto Shippuden Plot
What exactly happened to Naruto Shippuden Main Page ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.158.187.108 (talk • contribs)


 * Articles for deletion/Plot of Naruto (2nd nomination). –Gunslinger47 18:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It was deleted because it was plot summary and almost copyright. The topic isn't EVER going to be brought back, so you'll have to find another alternative to find out what is going on in the Japanese chapters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk • contribs)
 * All the deletions and merges are getting pretty ridiculous now! These articles use to be the best source of information for fans, now they've been eliminated. It's just getting ridiculous. Now this isn't even a encyclopedia...it's more like a stub. And according to that deletion policy, plot summaries ARE allowed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperSaiyaMan (talk • contribs)
 * This is an encyclopedia, not a fansite. Also see WP:NOT, articles can't be just a plot summary. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 18:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

And so many of those articles were too tiny and were better off being merged. And the plot articles for Naruto and Shippuden were so detailed it was almost copyright, and it was in raelity just an alternative to reading the manga. Kakashi Gaiden, however, will probably stay, and so will the most important character articles. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 16:41 (Eastern Standard time), 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This has been talked about before via the Harry Potter link. Detailed Plot Summaries are not violations of copyright.


 * So, does anyone know where i can read shippuden manga in english? cuz "naruto manga returns" has also been deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.131.223.79 (talk • contribs)
 * Go ask elsewhere, we are not linking to legally questionable material. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 19:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

As long as you are merely discussing what happens and not copying and pasting the author's actual work, it is not copyright infringement. It is not even "legally questionable." Moreover, the Wikipedia rule that was cited in the deletion thread allows plot articles as long as the articles place the plot in some kind of real world context (e.g. historical impact). Thus, I propose we bring back the Naruto Plot pages and edit them to comply with the applicable rule instead of completely trashing what appears to be a lot of hard work.


 * The problem is there is no real world context. Making the plot summary shorter means nothing if that's all there is. ~SnapperTo 19:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

"Wikipedia articles on published works (such as fictional stories) should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's development" - While the citations on the plot pages might not have been perfect, they were there. As far as real world context, Wikipedia has interpreted that concept quite liberally. If you do a search for Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, or many other works of fiction, you're going to get a detailed plot summary. Obviously this rule is not supposed to be interpreted strictly. At this time, I'm asking someone with an account to put Naruto Shippuden back up for its own vote. It was originally deleted with the plot of the original Naruto (if Shippuden was up for its own vote, it wouldn't have been deleted) and I believe that a vote now would come out very differently.


 * Shippuden was nominated on its own. The Part I summary was deleted a few days earlier. As for your examples, there are a few differences, for which I will use Harry Potter (character) as an antithesis for the Shippuden summary. For one, Harry's article is not a blow by blow recount of each book; in fact, they have managed to summarize his actions in each book into a single paragraph. Shippuden was the definition of a blow by blow recount, and it was not uncommon to get a multiple paragraph summary for each and every chapter. Second, while Harry's article is almost entirely grounded in plot, it is not entirely a plot summary; it's got a section on his relationships, his talents, his bitchy attitude, etc. Shippuden was entirely plot summary, as indicated by the article's title. Finally, Harry's article can have real-world context. The fact that it doesn't at the moment does not hamper on the fact that it can. Shippuden cannot have that past saying what chapters what events happen in, which is hardly adequate given the excruciating amount of summarization there was. Shippuden summary is not coming back; just read the manga if you feel the need to find out what's going on. ~SnapperTo 03:25, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Unless of course you weren't referring to the character and instead using one of the books as an example, in which case the same reasoning still applies. ~SnapperTo 03:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

if you ask me the naruto pages are shit now,some are almost useless,like the jutsus,it doean't even have all the justus in it,and the leaf village shinobi page,most of the charaters should be removed.I mean come on,is any body going to care about a person that was only in one episode/chapter.the anwser is no.Chrono master 21:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You're just trying to make excuses. It's deleted and will never be brought back. Neither will any of the other merged articles or any articles that will be merged later (if there are any) unless their role 100% increases and they have major development. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 2:04 (Eastern Standard Time), 13 July 2007 (UTC)

What?,dude no need to get all worked up,i was just stateing my opion.

Errr...I'm new, hope im doing this right :P Anyways I don't understand the removal of plot. Who cares if we have th plot? Unless we were asked to take it off, why not just leave it on? I would understand taking it off if we were threatened with a lawsuit or something, but taking plot off of articles just to...remove the plot? I don't get it so there must be something I don't understand. And no "It's not coming back so stop whining", please, I would appreciate real answers. Aguy666 03:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * From What Wikipedia is not: "A brief plot summary may be appropriate as an aspect of a larger topic, but not as a separate article." The plot article wasn't brief, and it was a separate article. Wikipedia's supposed to establish the real-world impact of fiction, not retell it. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 04:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Right to the point. Naruto's plot summary has no place on Wikipedia...:p 216.99.58.169 02:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Naruto-Arena
can you add naruto-arena or is there a policy for the website.

characters
we should tell more about the characters, some of the stuff I'm about to tell you you already have about them, ninja registration number, birthdate, height/weight, blood type, personality, favorite food, least favorite food, would like to fight, favorite line, hobbie, and specialty. i already have all this information for Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, Kakashi, Iruka, and Garaa, I found this information on Naruto: Clash Of Ninja 2. leave another comment if you have any questions.
 * We have half that information, and things like the 'would like to fight' info are very trivial. We have no need for such things. // Decaimiento  Poético  03:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

motion pictures
its me, the guy who wrote the character thing, what about motion pictures of them, on www.naruto-kun.com the give you short clips with the jutsu, but when ever i press the the thing, it says 'ERROR' 'NO. 404' if we do get them, it should be able to show you it, not just say 'ERROR'. oww and before it also said in the main character files their signature jutsu, but what happened to it? again leave another comment.

music
if you go on the Media option in the menu, it tells you all the sound stuff, if you go to sound tracks, and click on the first one, and look at the list, its messed up, someone should fix it, i don't know how though.


 * Go to the forums for Naruto-kun and ask them there. This page is for discussing the Naruto article, not your technical problems on a different website. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 20:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

not that, click on the 'Media' option at the bottom of the naruto menu on this website, and click the sound track 1 and its all messed up, you typed about the one above.


 * If you are referring to this, I see no problem. ~SnapperTo 00:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

yes, it's English then Japaneses, but for rocks it only says English and no Japaneses. its messed up, its hard to explain.
 * That's because we either don't have the kanji (which I doubt is the case) or it's just called R★O★C★K★S in Japan. // Decaimiento  Poético  15:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

NO I REMEMBER IT AS THE JAP VERSION AND ENG VERSION!!!!!!!! BESIDES I DOUBT IT HAD ALL THE JAP VERSIONS AND ENG VERSIONS EXCEPT FOR ONE!!!!!

because Gunslinger47 deleted what i said
because of the deletion of the plot of Naruto: Shippūden there is hardly anything about it in general on wikipedia we have to create a new article just for it. theres a article for dragon ball gt and not Naruto: Shippūden.Mambi55 01:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I really don't see why it needs a whole article to itself. There is only 19 episodes at present count, hardly enough new information is shown to warrant a seperate article not to mention what new information there is is character related and likely already touched upon on that characters article. Furthermore Naruto: Shippuuden is only a name given to the anime to seperate pre and post timeskip, the manga is only called Naruto. Lastly, they already voted to remove the article here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plot of Naruto: Shippūden (2nd nomination) due to the bulk of the article being plot related. You can of course start a new Naruto: Shippuuden article if you like, though due to the lack of new or unique information I believe it will likely go up for Deletion Review again. Sorry, I just don't see the need for it, so long as it is mentioned, that is all it really needs in my opinion.(Counterpart0 17:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC))

there are video game articles about video games that are not even out. AGAIN Dragon ball gt has it own article and it is pretty much the same thing but with a time skip.Mambi55 23:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * So you're saying WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS? –Gunslinger47 02:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

whatever. Naruto: Shippūden should have its own article its important enoughMambi55 06:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Once there have been enough episodes in Shippuden then it will have its own page, but it WON'T be plot summary like the plot article. That's what they are saying. It isn't notable on its own yet. By the time it reaches the end of the Kakuzu and Hidan arc or sometime around that, then its own page could be considered. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 15:18 (Eastern Standard Time), 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I know it'll (most likely) be thought of as more WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS BUT..Dragonball Z was a name for anime only as well. It was simply Dragonball in the manga. So based on what you're saying, we should have no Dragonball Z article.Furthermore, I like to have the Shipuden artcile up, becuase Often it says new plot things before Nartuocentral is able to get the newest chapter..so therefore it helps keep me up to date..now I know thats a bad excuse, but Personally also quoting the Harry Potter article, they tell the plot! Yes its not just plot, but it telling plot is nonetheless.Furthermore, while there aren't that many anime episodes, there are ,many manga chapters at present. Hope that gave more than just WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS --Chipmonk328


 * As has been said, once there's enough new information on Shippūden it will most likely get its own article. And if Viz renumbers the manga once they reach Part II, that will only give more material for a new article. In addition, List of Naruto chapters is in the process of giving brief summaries of the manga. So whenever it is that those summaries get past Part I, you'll have a way to keep ahead of the anime. ~SnapperTo 19:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Plot summaries. Wikipedia articles on published works (such as fictional stories) should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's development, impact or historical significance, 'not solely a detailed summary of that work's plot. A brief plot summary may be appropriate as an aspect of a larger topic, but not as a separate article.' There is little about Naruto: Shippuuden to make it worth the article right now not to mention the manga provides far more story and out of universe content. --Counterpart0 18:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Look I understand what you're saying, but this is an encyclopedia, not a fan site. See, WP:NOT it states,

Plot Overview
Is this really needed in the plot overview?

'' Alot of the overview is written like that, does anyone else think it would make more sense to omit sentences like that so that it is more of an overview and less like a sales pitch? (No offense to whomever wrote it, it is well written, I just don't think it fits for an overview.)

For instance the opening paragraph in the Plot Overview could be written as

as oppossed to what it is now

what do you think? Counterpart0 18:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I think an idea needs to be given of how powerful the demon fox is and the impact that it had on Konoha, as its sealing within Naruto is central to the story and forms a key aspect of his character. The language could be reworded to something like:  -- Broken Sphere  18:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That's actually very good. I'll change it to that. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 14:34 (Eastern Standard Time), 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Works for me, I was mainly concerned with how it reads like a sales pitch more than a summary of the story. --Counterpart0 18:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It does look too much like a sales pitch, the entire plot summary thing. There should also be a few references for the plot summary, which I'll add. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 14:40 (Eastern Standard Time), 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I edited the summary down a bit and removed alot of the "sales pitch" from it on a sub page, which you can find here user:Counterpart0/Naruto. What do you think? (edit: I also removed some references to what could be spoilers) --Counterpart0 18:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * If there are any spoilers, you could put up a spoiler warning. However, because most of it happens early in the story I doubt that it could be called spoilers, and the newer parts (Orochimaru and Akatsuki) are only slightly explained and don't even count as spoilers unless the link is clicked, so I dount it is really spoilers. Also, I would like to know two things:


 * A)What were the exact reasons they didn't make this FA? The sub-page doesn't really say.
 * B)How can you nominate an article for A-Class, as this is definetly A-Class material if it only barely missed FA Class.


 * Thanks. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 15:13 (Eastern Standard Time), 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't really think it needs a spoiler warning and was unware, until now, that Wikipedia frowns upon deleting someones work because it contains spoilers. My apologies.


 * A) The Feature Article Director must have reasoned that the objections had not been resolved and so removed and archived the nomination.
 * B) Go here WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Assess --Counterpart0 20:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Not to dampen your spirits, but this article isn't even close to FA material. Heck, it wouldn't pass a GA review. Read Madlax and Serial Experiments Lain for FA-class anime and manga articles. Note the professional-level writing, the out-of-universe voice, the discussion of themes, development, reception, adaptations, etc. This article doesn't even come close. For the purposes of a GA this is not necessary, note Bleach (manga), but this article is not of that level either. And in any case, if you're curious about spoilers, read WP:SPOILER, which explicitly states that using spoiler warnings for plot items is inappropiate.  Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 22:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * All the more reason to try and make it FA-Class (another sign of my optimism)! Of all Naruto articles, this is the only one that could make FA-Class, not even Naruto himself can. Well, the first thing we should do is make a peer review. I'll get on that. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 12:38 )Eastern Standard Time), 20 July 2007 (UTC)

The Naruto articles in general are now pretty crappy. At least before, when it was considered "plot summary," there was some consistency in that everything was covered. Now some things are covered, some things are not, and no articles at all sufficiently describe its topic in my opinion. Some serious re-writing or re-working of the organization of these articles are needed.
 * Except that the articles aren't supposed to be just plot summary. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a fansite. We not only list what happened, but also the real-world impact that the series has made. If you've got a problem with it, you can complain over at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (writing about fiction). NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 00:57, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Is it really necessary to drop a massive spoiler in the basic description of the series? Even the Japanese public, let-alone Americans watching the series through any sort of legal means, generally don't know that the 4th is Naruto's father. It should be left the way it used to be, just refer to Naruto as a newborn baby instead of as his son. 69.177.144.165 02:32, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

UMM got a question
Hi I have my own naruto RP site and was wonder if it would be possible to put the button to the site on the main naruto site. Heres the site if you wanna take a look at it to see if it would work out http://www.freewebs.com/ninsaga/ I didnt just want to put it up myself so i thought i would ask if this would be a possibility like it could be the official naruto Role Playing site for wikipedia So could someone get back to me if this would be a possibility thank you for your time. My email is Rapid_Fire222@hotmail so you can get ahold of me thanks again for your time. July 22
 * It seems everyone's site is an official one nowadays. =/ But really, this isn't the place to be posting role playing sites, just like forums aren't usually accepted either. I'm sorry. // Decaimiento  Poético  21:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

K thanks i was just seeing if it would be possible it dosent have to be the offical one if that makes a differences thanks for yor time im just trying to find a major site for advertisement so if you have any ideas it would be appreciated you can email them to me.
 * Please read WP:SOAP. Wikipedia is not for advertising purposes.  Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 22:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Better way to respond to unencyclopedic additions
Regarding the above discussion on deletion of the plot articles: Should people seeking this sort of information be directed to the Naruto project on Wikia or somewhere similar? I am not sure what constitutes inappropriate advertisement (I am not personally involved in Wikia, myself) but it would seem to be an appropriate place for all manner of Naruto-related fancruft (and I mean that in the best sense). In the spirit of "not biting newbies" it would be friendlier to tell people where to go rather than just shut them down. People react negatively to what they perceive as the rejection of their hard work, and we waste a lot of time fighting the same battles over and over. Maybe we can come up with some boilerplate language to encourage Wikipedia-appropriate contributions while directing the inappropriate ones elsewhere. — Meersan 06:31, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The Naruto wikia has plot summary up to about the end of volume 1 of the manga. That's hardly something that could be an adequate replacement. The only alternative, then, is to direct them to the actual manga, something that is done very easily by typing "Naruto manga" into Google. If they can't do that or don't want to do that, there's nothing else we can do to help them. ~SnapperTo 07:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Assuming the Wikia is GFDL compatible, an enterprising individual could potentially take their fancrufty personal contribution and add it to the Naruto wikia. That was my main point.  Naturally anyone who attempted this would have to be more familiar with the Naruto wikia than I am and follow that project's guidelines.  As I understand it, you could not take entire deleted pages (such as the deleted plot summary page) from WP because it is necessary to preserve attribution of all contributors. Rather than telling people to "google the manga", which could be construed as an invitation to copyright infringement (I know that is not the intent), maybe it would be better to point out there are more appropriate places like the Naruto wikia and whatever other sites are out there. This would lower the decibel level when unencyclopedic items come up for deletion and help new users understand the scope of Naruto-related pages on WP. — Meersan 19:44, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Naruto has a Wikia? Why wasn't it listed on the discussion page then, like One Piece and Redwall (novel) do? And if we don't, then the way you're discussing it sounds like you're saying we do. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares, 16:07 (Eastern Standard Time), 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The Naruto Wikia seems very unenthusiastic in taking advantage of GFDL licensed Wikipedia articles, as seen in the lack of similarities between their character articles and those that are (or have been in the past) available here. I believe I have suggested moving something to the Wikia on one occasion, though that met with something along the lines of "but then Wikipeida wouldn't be as useful". I suppose I could try again in the future. ~SnapperTo 20:31, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

(not same person as above) why in the world all the changes good lord hinata doesnt even have her own page anymore i understand this isnt a fansite but you could at least provide a decent amount of information especially on hinata,kiba,shino and the like again i know your not a fansite but that isnt enough info for an encyclopedia if you treat naruto like this why not just compress much more data i know lets change the articule on lu bu to super compressed size just say that he was a warrior in ancient china i mean after all we arent a fansite -_- ( i relize that this is not in the proper format my apologies for that)


 * The articles were merged because they were either complete crap and/or could easily be merged. Kiba, Choji, Tenten, Shino, and Ino fall under both easily, and Hinata's article constantly repeated the same information, so she was merged too. It's possible other articles will be merged in the future, but we're taking a break now. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares, 15:54 (Eastern Standard Time), 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I think there needs to be a disclaimer for the Naruto Editz site link
This guys is clearly working from either bootlegs or fansubs. The reason why this presents a problem is because some of what he presents as "editz" are merely CORRECTIONS to the original broadcast animation. This is a regular practice in this industry. Had he purchased actual Japanese retail DVD's of the show, he would not be pointing out so many "changes".

Clearly what America gets are the Japanese DVD version. There's not a single doubt of that. And while it's interesting to see what changed from broadcast to DVD, it WILL confuse others. And it appears the Naroto Editz guys is as confused because nowhere on his site does he state this. I shot him an e-mail about this and we'll see what happens.Utils 17:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * This is what bugged me to e-mail him and post this. On his site on the "editz" page he states:


 * "-Important Note: All Editz pages in this section have been compared to the DVD version of Naruto. That means that every edit on every page, is 100% accurate."


 * This is why I believe he's using bootlegs (not that I care, just point it out) and not real DVD's. Anyone can make a bootleg of the broadcast with a DVR.Utils 17:17, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Remove tidbit plx?
Someone who can edit this page (read: a non-lurker) should remove "(currently under production)" from the Shippuuden Movie under "Related Works".

Can we delete this paragraph?
"Many of the greater lingering mysteries of the series are questions of character motives and identity. The legacy of Naruto's parents, the goals that guide Kabuto Yakushi, the identity of the mysterious person who orders the Akatsuki leader – these are only a few of the fundamental unanswered questions of "who" and, by proxy, "why" currently at the core of the series. The story is remarkably character-driven; the theme of causality runs inherently throughout the series as characters reciprocate for their past actions and relationships. In this respect, characters' respective destinies are very much intertwined, and large emphasis is placed on comradeship and 'bonds' between the community or individual."

first its poorly written, and doesnt make much sense, second its kinda out dated (the examples), and really doesnt add much to the article. a case could be made for the last sentence but thats really true of any good narative with an ensemble cast. but given the attention paid to this article i dont want to just go and delete a whole paragraph without discussion first. Gailim 00:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. The legacy of Naruto's parents has nothing to do with the plot, unless it refers to Naruto himself. (Please don't flame me for this.) Kabuto's goal is take revenge on Sasuke and beat Naruto later while absorbing Orochimaru powers and the identity of the mysterious Akatsuki leader isn't so mysterious anymore. I would delete it but I'll wait it out just like Gailim. -ScotchMB 23:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This paragraph, much like a majority of the body text in most of category:Naruto, was originally mine. I am thrilled to hear that "its poorly written and doesnt make much sense" [sic]; I've always striven to go about my writing such that the most potent criticism of it would amount to "the complex syntax and polysyllabic words here elude my puny reading comprehension skills, and therefore suck", as seems to be the case here. At any rate, this observation was made over three years ago and is now hideously outdated; Naruto is about as character-driven now as a rusting, forlorn Subaru Station model 1992 with a vacant driver's seat. Concurring with this sudden inexplicable sentiment of doing away with this paragraph I have gone ahead and deleted it, in what could probably be considered as bringing that article up to date more than anything else. Call me again when you need the other outdated parts edited out (e.g. there being some sort of balance between drama and comedy; there being some sort of coherent overarching plot at all; Naruto being the main character). --AceMyth 02:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Lol, I think it was well written. Just outdated. Maybe for Part 1 this would have been a good paragraph. -ScotchMB 13:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I want to apologize to AceMyth for not laying out exactly what my problem with the paragraph was. the paragraph did convey the point he was trying to make, when i said it was "poorly written" it was not because it was factually or grammatically incorrect. rather it could have been worded better. his "complex syntax and polysyllabic words" certainly show off his prodigious skill with the English language but considering Naruto is a cartoon aimed at young boys, (try to imagine the average 10 year old reading this and you might see the problem) you don't really need that much complexity. For instance "these are only a few of the fundamental unanswered questions of "who" and, by proxy, "why" currently at the core of the series." could have just as easily been written as "these are only a few of the questions at the core of the series."; the revision says everything the original did and its much clearer and more concise. along the lines of the KISS_principle. But aside from that, paragraph was your opinion of Naruto, and while your opinion is certainly valid, its not fact and thus doesn't add anything to the article. Now i sincerely regret not saying this from the start and I can certainly see why you would get angry about my comments earlier, as they lacked a justification. But please its not helpful to assume everyone who has a problem with your writing is somehow lacking in intelligence. It isn't very helpful and qualifies as a personal attack; I called your paragraph into question, not you. In short, I am very sorry for offending you as it was not my intention. I just had a problem with that paragraph, not you as a person. Gailim 20:24, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Just what should be considered "out-of-universe" for Naruto?
I've been wondering: just what qualities do the members and readers consider out of universe appropriate for a manga article, inculding characters, media, etc.? How the character came to be is definetly on the list, but Kishimoto-sensei hasn't revealed anything on most of the characters, especially the ones revealed after the Introduction arc. Popularity, databook, changes in design, the list goes on. It would be helpful for the Naruto articles if we make a list of what our expectations for it to be out-of-universe are, particularily for the charatcers. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 22:16, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Informative Link
I've found the leafninja.com is incredible when it comes to documenting the Naruto universe. It's much more complete and indepth then the Wikipedia article. Can it be added to the page?


 * The problem with adding fan sites is if you allow one, it is hard to justify excluding any others that editors might want to add. There are basically only two cases where I'd recommend adding a link to a fan site:
 * If one fan site stands inarguably above the rest.
 * If it's a wiki.
 * Personally, I think we should endorse http://naruto.wikia.com. It's in need of editors. –Gunslinger47 23:32, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * WP:EL discourages linking for such reasons. In fact, the opposite would have to be true. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 08:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Seems like a Catch-22 to me. We don't want Wikipedia to be a repository of fan-related stuff, like detailed plot reports, but we can't refer anyone to the appropriate source if fans come here looking for it. Remember the policies are not rules, but guidelines. The policy against linking to wikis which are unstable with few editors is probably more intended to guard against relying on such sources for historical and factual accuracy. I think wikia is an appropriate site, and as I believe it's run by the wikipedia foundation anyway it should be considered as stable. --DrHacky 14:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

366
when is chapter 366 coming out... shouldn't it have come out last week?


 * Last week didn't have a published issue of Shonen Jump, therefore no Naruto. This week is 366. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 08:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Go to Narutopedia http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Neutral Point of View?
"Naruto has a large and colorful cast of characters, running a gamut of detailed histories and complex personalities, and allowing many of them their fair share in the spotlight; they are also seen to grow and mature with the series, as it spans several years." It seems to me that this little bit PRAISES Naruto's "detailed" and "complex" characters. There are also other sections that seem to praise the series.

Usarnaime 18:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree wholeheartedly. 71.117.235.115 22:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC) (UTC)

About timeslot table
I noticed that recently that a table have been added that demostrate the timeslots that Naruto had and the show that came before and after it in those slots. The thing is I am not aware of any other television program having this type of table for timeslots and I personally don't think the article needs it. Since there was no discussion I think their should be one to determine is there is consensus to have this. --67.71.76.240 05:02, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Never mind its gone now. --67.71.76.240 05:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

It;s own wikia
Dose this cartoon have it's own wikia page? or Wikia SIte? --Jareth shadow 15:41, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * http://naruto.wikia.com --DrHacky 16:11, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Nominate...again
Where can I go to nominate this article as a good article? I think that after much work, it has finally earned it.Busboy 02:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not close to GA status, and very likely would not pass a review. WP:GAC to answer your question though.  Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 23:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

No? I personally think it is a great improvement from what it was, and as such, would just like to have it reviewed. I mean, the worst that could happen is that it could simply not be nominated.Bbusboy 22:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It's about the same as it was last time it was reviewed. The Growth and popularity section was renamed and slightly redone, but other than that there's very little difference. Model this article after Bleach (manga) and it might have a chance of reaching GA. ~SnapperTo 22:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Naruto character
Just to inform you that Template:Infobox Naruto character has been replaced with Template:Infobox animanga character after a review period at WT:ANIME, where the template received positively and at Naruto Uzumaki, which was used as a live example. The old template was replace by using it as a transition template to the new template and substing all instances of the old template in article space. --Farix (Talk) 03:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Weapons
Someone should add a page about weapons in Naruto, I'm not a good speller, so sorry, Shuriken, Kunai, Paper Bombs, Smoke Bombs, Bombs, Scythes, Scythes attached to chains, crossbows, numb chucks, Senbown needles, neck cutter, giant shuriken, fuma shuriken, knuckle busters with blades (Sarutobi), samehade (Kisame) just go to http://www.naruto-kun.com/naruto+fighting/weapons.html and it'll tell you some of these weapons and more. Beware of the annoying pop ups there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uzumaki Dude (talk • contribs) 12:49, August 25, 2007 (UTC)
 * Such a page would not pass Wikipedia's notability threshold due to its inability to have its verifiability confirmed by reliable, third party sources. That fansite you mentioned is not a reliable source. And please sign your posts by adding four tildes ( ~ ).  Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 07:57, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually...  You Can '  t See Me!  08:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So? My statement is right due to the fact that the Afd was resolved with the deletion of the article. As to User:Uzumaki Dude, note that this will happen to pages with similar content - Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.  Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 08:15, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Erm, I meant to indent that one less. Sorry for the confusion.  You Can '  t See Me!  18:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

What the heck does that mean? Uzumaki Dude 04:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * For an article to be worthy of inclusion into Wikipedia, it must pass Wikipedia's notability guideline. This means that it must receive real-world coverage from reliable, verifiable sources independent of the source material. Your article would not and merely would be a collection of indiscriminate information.  Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 04:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

in English and small words that i can understand Uzumaki Dude 20:13, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If the subject of the article has been reviewed or covered in a source (website, magazine, journal, newspaper, etc.) that is reliable, verifiable, and independent of the source material that the subject of the article is derived from, then it passes the notability guideline. I can't make it simpler than that. If you can't garner what I mean from clicking on the linked pages, then I can't help you.  Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 20:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

individual profiles?
what happended to the individual profiles of the characters on NARUTO, now there just one profile for each team? and also what happened to the individual pictures of the characters on naruto (part 1 and part 2)? Onlybelieve-Jen 22:21, 26 August 2007 (UTC)onlybelieve-jen


 * The individual profiles, aside from those of the most important characters, all became redirects. They could not hold their weight against WP:FICT, so they were removed.
 * As for the images, those were removed by a higher power in Wikipedia than regulars at Naruto articles due to some anti-fair-use-overuse movement which specifically seems to target images used in lists.  You Can '  t See Me!  22:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hand seals
someone should add the list of hand seals to all the techniques/jutsu. go to this web site, http://www.narutocentral.com/information/seals/ oww and just in case, when it says serpent for a hand sign, it means snake. there is also a holl lot of other things too at that site, trust me, u cant imagine. and another cool site to is http://articles.theotaku.com/view.php?action=retrieve&id=1663 im not going to even tell u what its about but it is important and it is almost 100% true except for it actually saying it in the series, but im sure it will say it eventually. Uzumaki Dude 20:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * They're fansites, thus making them unreliable sources. In any case, adding the hand seals is extraneous information, and unnecessary as per WP:NOT.  Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 20:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Why?
"Prior to the anime's North American debut in 2005, several scanlation and fansub groups translated the series and made it available for free download on the internet. Despite North American companies' perceived tendency to prosecute fansubbing groups more frequently than Japanese companies,[8] there are some that have continued to translate new Naruto episodes due to the extremely large gap between the English and Japanese versions."

Why is this mentioned? What makes Naruto so special to mention this?? THROUGH FIRE   JUSTICE IS SERVED!  23:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Adding a link to a directory where online episodes can be watched
A link should be added where users can go to watch all of the episodes and videos online. This is my favorite website * Naruto Episodes (USA). (url removed by Farix per WP:EL).


 * It was removed. Wikipedia is not for advertising purposes and the site you put was a fansite, making it inappropriate for inclusion.  Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 01:00, 28 August 2007 (UTC)