Talk:Naruto/Archive 9

Improve
The following are way I thought would help improve the article:


 * Make a section about Shippuden


 * Make a sub-section to Characters similar to the Main Characters section in Bleach.


 * Say more about the in-universe Naruto, likes the countries and rankings.


 * Improve the reception section.

Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 21:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

NECCESARY IMPROVEMENTS -Rewrite Naruto Uzumaki (character), Kakashi Gaiden and Akatsuki(which was going to be deleted) article to explain the fiction more clearly and provide non-fictional perspective, and add secondary sources specially to Akatsuki. -Add to articles of Kakashi, Shikamaru, Orochimaru, Rock Lee, Tsunade and Land of Fire citation, footnoting, or external linking. -Stop complaining about the jutsu list, this is not narutopedia. If you still want the last jutus list, www.search.com/reference has the one of wikipedia. -Clean up Naruto first movie article. -Find cite and references for the second movie. -Collaborate reverting vandalism. -In the main article a bit about Naruto in all the world -Stop discussing that some characters need their own article, this has been discussed a lot of times(if they do more things, they will probably get their ow article). -And to all one dont use theories like saying the fourth hokage is the Akatsuki Leader. -And have a good time. Tintor2 10:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

shipping section
May I make a segestion about this.. shouldnt we make a "shipping" article for the naruto series on wikipedia? plenty of other anime have it, and it would be good for naruto, due to all of the romantic relationships among characters that fans and facts point out. but, just a suggestion.....24.185.163.37 21:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * plenty of other anime have it,
 * That's news to me. Regardless if that's true, we're not going to have one. An article about any pairing in the fandom would have no reliable sources and in all likelihood would be unverifiable and be full of original research. Furthermore, not a single pairing, much less shipping in fandom itself, would meet the notability guidelines for fiction. Such articles would be deleted just as soon as they would be created. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 22:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * "Shipping" in some specific fandom, pretty much by definition, lacks reliable sources and notability. Yeah, sometimes you have J.K. Rowling having a laughing riot over shipping in an interview with shippers a day after book release, but that's far from being representative of anything. What will you be able to say about shipping culture in Naruto that won't be exceedingly shallow and meaningless? "There's NaruSaku, and there's SasuSaku, and there's NaruHina, and there's NejiHina, and, well, everybody's absolutely convinced that the scenes between their characters are beacons of delayed character development and the scenes the other shippers bring up don't mean jack squat." There, I just summed up Naruto shipping, and incidentally most other shipping debates that have occurred and probably will occur.


 * Until Kishimoto Masashi starts rambling about the themes he had envisioned when setting in motion the epic romantic tale of Neji and Tenten, which he won't, this is one issue that ought to remain covered only in-universe. If other pages have long rambling paragraphs regarding the arguments and counter-arguments of who Ash Ketchum is going to end up with, or whatever, the problem is there, not here. At any rate the exploration of out-of-universe notability the shipping in some fandom has seems to fit much more organically in the actual article about shipping. --AceMyth 02:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I have a Shippuden card from Japan made by Bandai which is officially licensed. On the front is Shikamaru close to Temari. The card all but calls them a couple. Would that constitute an out-of-universe shipping example that could be cited in a Naruto "shipping" section? 68.180.195.10 05:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No, it's still a primary source. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:13, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Primary source has nothing to do with it — indeed, if it were a primary source (i.e. series canon from the manga) we could add it to their character articles— the problem is that it's original research. --tjstrf talk 06:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Aren't we all forgetting that the romantic elements of Naruto are merely inserted as comedic moments? Romance is not the central point of this series, merely a nice addition. Besides, who are we to decide who loves who when we are only they who post what has happened and not what will? Just a thought guys. ~Ginkini 00:30, 3 September 2007


 * there should be a relationship part but not just romantic (like from avatar:the last airbender pages) saying how the chars interact and a SHORT history —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.31.115.124 (talk) 08:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

The InuYasha and Ranma 1/2, way back when, had extended sections about fanfic pairings. Thankfully, they were removed some time ago. JuJube (talk) 08:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Neutral Point of View? Again?
The Neutral Point of View issue has yet to be solved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Usarnaime (talk • contribs) 20:00, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * What neutral point of view issue? NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 21:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

"Naruto has a large and colorful cast of characters, running a gamut of detailed histories and complex personalities"...seems like it's complementing the "complex" and "detailed" characters. Usarnaime 05:27, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Is this an issue with NPOV on the part of the article, or User:Usarnaime? --tjstrf talk 05:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I am sure it is about the article. It seems clear to me that usaranime believes that the phrase "Naruto has a large and colorful cast of characters, running a gamut of detailed histories and complex personalities" is to complementary and should be replaced. --67.68.152.197 07:15, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Just delete or rephrase the sentence already. Problem solved. &mdash;davidh.oz.au 12:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Ooh. Both Usarnaime and a helpful anonymous contributor popping up to back up and explain his position misspell "complimentary" in the same way. Now what are the odds of that? --AceMyth 13:38, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Japanese proper names vs. English translations
The "Leaf Village"? We don't call Tokyo the "Eastern Capital", do we? Should "Leaf Shadow" replace Hokage?

Granted, I view the series in Japanese, but the obvious inconsistencies if you start to translate a few proper names here and there makes it look weird. Better to provide a brief glossary with core name components so that the ethusiasts who make it this page actually get a chance to learn - isn't that what Wikipedia is about?

Thomas 15:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC) "T-Rex was a carnivore - not a meateater"
 * Hokage means fire shadow. o.o And we don't have to just translate everything. Translate how the English manga does (they call it Konoha, I'm pretty sure).—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 18:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Controversy
Someone repeatedly reversed my edit. So I posted it here to avoid an edit war.

Please give your reason why it should or should not be added to the article. NOTE: your reason should not be whether Naruto does or does not plagiarize other comics, because the edit DOES NOT CLAIM that Naruto plagiarizes, it only CLAIMS that the controversy or debate exists.

If nobody has objection here, I will add it back. Thank you.

"It is hotly debated in Chinese Naruto fans community that Naruto's author Masashi Kishimoto may have been plagiarizing the famous Hong Kong manhua Fung Wan . The evidences are numerous similarities, parallel patterns between the two works on character designs, character developments and plot-lines. Fung Wan was written by Ma Wing Shing in much earlier time. The most striking similarities include, both books have protagonists that seek revenge on the murderer who wiped out their clans, both books have a destined duel between the protagonists which takes place at exactly the same time in the books, that is at the end of volume one of both. In volume two, both books have a secret organization that seeks to complete the collection of a number of unique objects and parallel patterns between Uchiha Clan in Naruto and the Heavenly Sword Sect in Fung Wan are found. The controversy is still at the level of fans, the authors can not be reached for comments and no copyright infringement lawsuits are filed." Kakarukeys 06:16, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * There's no reliable sources for this claim or that there's controversy around it, it's all original research. A fan site is not a reliable source. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 06:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all, the edit was reverted by two different users (including myself), not just one.
 * Secondly, I think I speak for the both of us when I say I'm a bit skeptical about this. Revenge sought against those who killed loved ones, duels between rival protagonists, item-seeking organizations; it's not like any of these are unique in any form of storytelling. As for the duel taking place at the end of the books, there's really no better place to put a dramatic duel. This pattern can be seen in much more than Naruto and Fung Wan.
 * Third, and most importantly, is that I have not heard anything about this on any forum I have visited or any fan that I personally know. "Hotly debated" implies that the fact is well-known amongst those who care about either of the two series. Perhaps you're right, and it is discussed among Fung Wan's fans, but aside from a single website that you provided, we have no evidence. I wouldn't call that a controversy until copyright infringement lawsuits are filed. As of now, it's just a comparison.
 * Thank you for coming here instead of edit warring, by the way. I wish I could read the source you provided so that I could comprehend your point more completely, but as of now I can only read in English and a tiny bit of Spanish and Tagalog :). Regards,  You Can ' t Review Me!!! 06:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * {"Hotly debated" implies that the fact is well-known amongst those who care about either of the two series. } well you can't debate unless you already know both these 2 comic series exist. it is like the matrix, matrix fan still think it is orginal because they never hear of the less known story even when it was proven to be true. that isn't really a soild arguement. but i say leave it out for now, there isn't much interest in this controversy. Akinkhoo 10:05, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ya that's why I don't like some of wikipedian editing systems. Even if you are right other editors will deny you because politically speaking, wikipedian editing is a democracy almost communist even (NOT THAT COMMUNISM IS BAD). I believe that Rock Lee is a photocopy of Bruce Lee in terms of identity but editors do not mention that they are supposed to be similar. I wish there was a polar wikipedia where you can put EVERYTHING you have to say and nominated wikipedian handpicked editors would choose the lines you put best fit for article. but then agian, im a little ant and they don't care about me. I heard that a Neo Nazi group opposed the jewish conspiracy on the wikipedian nazi articles and requested to delete them but when the majority vote system was offered only 16 of the 100000 neo nazi's showed up so it was their loss or maybe wikipedian security was rigged ;p. whatever it may be, wikipedia is starting to act a little monarchist rather than democratic. (btw im on ur side if there is ever a vote on ur edits ;-). -- • Storkian • 03:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

FLC
I've nominated List of Naruto episodes (Seasons 1-2) for featured list status. Please express your comments at the nomination here at WP:FLC. Feel free to make any and all necessary improvements. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 04:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That would help make Naruto taken more seriously. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 21:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Template
I changed the series template so that it includes the seasons articles. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 21:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I think there needs to be a disclaimer for the Naruto Editz site link
This guy is clearly working from bootlegs. The reason why this presents a problem is because some of what he presents as "editz" are merely CORRECTIONS to the original Japanese broadcast animation. This is a regular practice in this industry. As I'm sure many of you are aware, when these broadcast episodes hit DVD, animations mistakes get corrected. Had he purchased actual Japanese retail DVD's of the show, he would not be pointing out so many "changes".

Clearly what is shown on Cartoon Network is the end result of these corrections. And of course, they then edited in one way or another for broadcast. And while it WOULD be interesting to see what gets changed from Japanese broadcast to DVD to American Broadcast, that's not how this site presents the information. It WILL confuse those not familiar with the correcting process.

I'm pretty sure the Naroto Editz guys himself confused because nowhere on his site does he state this clarification. In fact on his site on the "editz" page he (incorrectly) states:


 * "-Important Note: All Editz pages in this section have been compared to the DVD version of Naruto. That means that every edit on every page, is 100% accurate."

This is why I believe he's using bootlegs (not that I care, just point it out) and not real DVD's. Anyone can make a bootleg of the broadcast with a DVR and sell it to people who don't know any better.

I shot him an e-mail a long time ago but he never responded.

I say either remove it or get a better Uncensored page. Utils 20:54, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've removed the link. Being a fansite, there's no way that it meets the verifiability guidelines of the site, and the objections you've brought up bring its accuracy into question. Now, the question is where are we going to find a more reliable source for the changes. (by the way, hi Utils. Small world, huh?) NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 22:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Its use is acceptable for the intended purpose. (i.e. )  This is not an exernal link.  We were using it as a reference on a single, specific fact.  By using it as a reference, we're not putting the Wikipedia Stamp Of Approval™ on anything else the site might say. –Gunslinger47 00:01, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

minor detail you can buy upto volume 24 now see link below for proof
I read the following text "To date, the first 18 volumes are available. In order to catch up to the translated anime, Viz plans to release volumes 16 to 27 three at a time over the months of September to December 2007.[3]" however I think you should alter it slightly so that it shows upto which volume you can currently buy.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Naruto-24-Masashi-Kishimoto/dp/1421518600/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_0/203-1660549-3728764

J 212.219.239.73 17:10, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

You can now buy up to 27, so it needs to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.10.200.56 (talk) 22:39, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Ichiraku Ramen Bar merge
Seriously, no one's edited it for over a year. I suggest a merge to Land of Fire. I posted it there, but no one even looks at it anymore... Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 21:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hell, just redirecting and creating quick bios for Teuchi and Ayame on the Land of Fire article would be better. Article's fancruft, there's nothing worthwhile to merge into the article and it's a prime target for deletion as it stands. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 21:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Publisher in Mexico
i added the publisher in mexico —Preceding unsigned comment added by HeatGuyRed (talk • contribs) 00:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Movies
I don't really think it's necessary to make an article for every Naruto movie. I suggest we merge them together into something like List of Naruto movies. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 19:53, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow someone sure is consistent. ^_^ Each movie can waarant it owns article, each has 3rd party sources and can support itself. Sam ov the blue sand, Editor Review 02:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * But are they really notable enough for articles? Not really. And do they each have major affects on the series and movies altogether, like Halloween (film) or King Kong? No, movies don't have affects on the actual series, and no, they don't have major roles on media. And do they have enough information to even warrant articles? No, they're stubs. They would be better if they were all put together into one page about the Naruto movies. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 18:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Movies are always notable when they're shown in major theaters, worldwide or not. Only one page about every movie would be foolish. I haven't really cared about the whole merging spree that's been going on lately, but use a little common sense here. They can easily be more than stubs, but merging is not the answer to everything. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 18:44, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

A way to improve this article
I doubt any of you would be capable of doing this, but the Portugal version to this article is an FA-Class article. If someone can read Portugese, please help us improve that article by telling is what it has that we don't. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 21:05, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The only thing it really has is that it has a slightly more comprehensive media section. Aside from that, it's a list of in-universe topics, and wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of passing WP:FAC here. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 23:11, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Character Name Order
It was not too long ago that the characters were listed in the proper format (i.e. Uzumaki Naruto). I can't imagine a such a massive and very thorough change could have been made casually, but I don't remember seeing it in this discussion page when I found it that way a month or two ago. I can see how one could say that since this is the english wikipedia page and we don't use names in that order that we should change it, but it seems to me that you can translate words and even give nicknames to things that may just be gibberish in japanese, but you really shouldn't change the name of a character. He is Uzumaki Naruto, and technically Naruto Uzumaki, though containing all the information and corresponding with the Cartoon Network translated episodes, is just not his name. 128.230.155.178 01:29, 26 September 2007 (UTC)DanK 10/26/07


 * Japan and many east-Asian countries use a system in which the family name goes first and the given name goes last. The United States and many "western" (I hate using the terms "western" and "eastern" to describe culture, but...) nations use a system of nomenclature where given name goes first and the family name goes last. We did not change the names; we simply conformed to English grammar.  You Can '  t See Me!  01:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It's been well over a month since this change took place, more like a year. The discussion was held at length at the time and consensus went in favor of proper grammar. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:39, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Over a year ago, in fact. And yeah, the change was to fit with proper grammar, the Manual of Style and common usage. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 02:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I should also be noted that none of the guidlines that supported the move at that time have udergone any changes since that would support overturning the move either. --67.68.152.40 02:53, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * There is a page meant for explaining the reasoning: Portal:Naruto/FAQ. –Gunslinger47 03:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Zhengman777, Sept 27 '07, 17:00:

The English Dub for Naruto (on Cartoon Network) reverses the last/first name sequence of the Japanese Characters, such as saying 'Sasuke Uchiha' rather than the proper version 'Uchiha Sasuke.' This is because the dubbers saw that the anime was called 'Naruto' and to prevent confusing the little kids watching why the anime was named after the Last Name (which is really the first name in Japanese, but like I said, the kids probably won't get it) rather than his First Name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.152.40 (talk • contribs)


 * I'm not sure, but I think that the majority of kids do not browse Wikipedia. Just in case, we should state that the English dub switches the name order if it was not done so already. However, refer to the characters in the correct order. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zhengman777 (talk • contribs)
 * Since when was the Japanese order the correct one? Besides, if you want to change it, you're going to have to get the community to agree to change both the guidelines and consensus for the current order anyway. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 21:02, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It should also be noted that few other anime articles have family names presented first and most if not all that do are of characters that are born before 1868, the first year of the Meiji. Naruto it not set in any particular timeframe so this does not apply here. As per my original point, we don't see animes like Bleach, Sailor Moon, Digimon, varius Gundam Series, etc addopting a family name first so I don't see why this show should be different. Finally, I do not believe the idea children watching the dub should even be a factor in the naming decision because that does not address in any way the guidlines and exsiting consensus against such a change. --70.48.111.217 21:53, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

"Since when was the Japanese order the correct one? Besides, if you want to change it, you're going to have to get the community to agree to change both the guidelines and consensus for the current order anyway. neochaosX" uhh since it was done originaly in Japanese the correct order is JAPANESE.--Had24get2ice 15:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No it is not. The WP:MOS-JA as well as WP:UE which is are Wikipeida guildlines clearly contrdict that claim. There is also no policy or guldine on Wikipeida that even remotely supports the suggestion that the name or names used originally have to tbe the main ones used in articles and as mentioned several times there are several guidlines as well as precident that go against this cliam. --67.68.154.144 19:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

FLC, again
I've nominated List of Naruto episodes (Seasons 3-4) for FL status. After the success of the previous nomination, I see no reason why this list cannot achieve FL status either. Feel free to express your comments here. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 05:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Just noting here, it's been ten days with only one comment onto the above nomination. Again, all comments are welcome. Thanks. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 01:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, looks like I will comment. I'm surprised, I'd never thought a list could be so detailed and interesting to read. Good luck with the FL status. =)  σмgн gσмg  07:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Naruto Universe
I've been waiting for a while, though no help was given. As said, articles like the rank article and geography have little chance of survivng much longer. As such, I proposed to create a Naruto universe article that contained all of this and allowed a place to show tailed beast and Akatsuki information should more "MERGE! MERGE! MERGE!" attacks come to those articles. This was supported by a few, who said they rather see a finished product first and then they'll decide. I asked for help on this by them, though no reply was ever made. So I'm basically posting this here, then. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 19:54, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see the point of merging Tailed Beasts, Akatsuki, and Jutsu topic information into the page if we're just going to keep the rest of the text on those pages as "List of-" articles. My main concern, though, is that the page looks like a collection of almost random information. I don't mean to say that it can't fare, but... I can't really find a way to put this onto words, but the best I could come up with is that there just isn't any flow to it at all. There's no unifying theme to that set aside from the fact that they all have some importance in the Naruto series. Sorry that I can't elaborate my point.  You Can '  t See Me!  20:13, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the phrase you're looking for is "an indiscriminate collection of information". At least, that's what I see in this proposed article. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 20:43, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * My meaning for posting this was not to get the article approved, but improve the sandbox of it so that it can be approved. I'm asking people to help bring it up to standards. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 00:49, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Decision
Since it seems as though this Wiki page is beyond repair, most characters not having their own pages anymore, Jutsu are mainly gone last I checked and more, I say we either fix it up, start a Naruto Wiki, leave it and leave links to other websites with better information. What do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.236.20.91 (talk) 18:28, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * There is a Naruto wiki and they are seriously in need of help. See Naruto for more information. –Gunslinger47 19:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd also hardly say that Wikipedia is beyond repair simply because a bunch of characters with no real-world significance have listed profiles rather than full pages. If you feel the need to convert them back into full pages, go right ahead, but be sure to include any significance they have out-of-universe, source them, and get rid of plot summary.  You Can '  t See Me!  19:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Names
The character's names are the wrong way around. It isn't Naruto Uzumaki, it is properly said Uzumaki Naruto, putting the family name last. This has been change by the Americans and should be put the way the original Japanese script provided not The American translations. FireyOmega77
 * Portal:Naruto/FAQ—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 04:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Please at least read the names of the other threads on the page. Your question was already answered above.  You Can '  t See Me!  04:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It was also mentioned a few topics ago and it was clearly explained why we are not going to due that. In short no one has come up with anything that IMO even remotly justifies going against the WP:MOS-JA. --70.48.173.121 02:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Question
umm, i was still really confused about this and i'm a die-hard naruto fan but....how can Naruto be the same age as Sasuke and Sakura if he failed the entrance exams like three times?--Bloody rock princess 01:22, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe they let him in early, who knows? We sure don't. Point is, it's not relevant to the article. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * He could be older or the entrance exams occur several times a year. Remember, Lee, Ten-Ten, and Neji are older yet often lumped in with Naruto's class. There is a proper answer to your question somewhere, but I agree with Someguy that the issue does not have to be solved in this page. Egospite 23:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

In the first and second tests at the academy, Naruto was barely involved with the main ninja (or at all) but he met Sasuke and Sakura at the 3rd, which have meant Naruto was 10 along with Sakura and Sasuke but Naruto was in the academy first. I know this because I made a conclusion by common sense.

FLC aid
The FLC for List of Naruto chapters (Part I) is close to its ten day mark, with no consensus reached over the fact whether to include the serialization dates of the chapters in the individual volumes. Given that the discussion will likely be closed as a "no consensus" result, adding the dates would be better than loosing the nomination altogether and having to place a second nomination. As for specifics, the request has been to add a "Date X to Date Y" for each volume where the chapters were published in the Weekly Shonen Jump (in Japan) and the U.S. Shonen Jump (in the U.S.). Including this in a line below the list of chapters in each volume would be sufficient. As for sourcing that, I'm clueless, otherwise I would have added the information already. Any and all aid is much appreciated. Thanks. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 22:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * This concern has been addressed, but as twelve days have elapsed, I would appreciate comments. See Featured list candidates/List of Naruto chapters (Part I) for the nomination. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 04:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Chinese Naruto
Is there any reference that can be found linking Naruto series to chinese,because there have often been names of the Naruto characters that are chinese,an example of chinese characters is the symbol on Gaara's forehead '愛' which means love-translated from traditional chinese. User:Wongdai clcheung 08:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * More like linking the entire Japanese language to Chinese. Both use Han characters.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 02:50, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * yup, chinese script is the godfather of eastern langauges much like alphabet was to the west... ^^; i have to thank the japanese for adopting it so we both can understand each other more easily... now if only the politician could understand it... Akinkhoo 10:11, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

English fillers
Shouldnt we add that the english verison is skipping the fillers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.235.67.222 (talk) 10:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you have proof of that? Awesome as it sounds, I remain skeptical. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 13:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Right, we're not going to add anything without a reliable source. –Gunslinger47 16:40, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * And besides why would cartoon network pass up the chance for 100 plus weeks of high ratings? That makes no sense. Sam ov the blue sand, Editor Review 14:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Speeding up
I was wondering if the english broadcast was speeding up becuase they're showing two new episodes every week and are they going to skip the fillers? Maybe the speeding up should be mentioned in the article?4.227.106.105 23:53, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Look at the above section. There's no sources that confirm that this is happening. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 00:02, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

But the series is speeding up becuase for the last two weeks and the at least the next week there will be two episodes and in december there will be a total of 10 episodes (got this from the december 2007 issue of Shonen Jump. IF you want proof watch the series on saturday. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.227.106.105 (talk) 00:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Picture on Info box
Now that the anime has reached the sasuke retrieval arc, maybe you could put a new picture, like something along the lines of sasuke vs. naruto, or the retrieval squad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.90.32.175 (talk) 23:37, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * You mean the English dub has gotten that far? I don't think Wikipedia cares what point the story is, whether it be manga, anime or dub.  This infobox picture should be selected as to best represent the series.  I believe the current image conveys the visual style well, while showing the primarily recognizable figures from an absolute (non-fan) perspective. –Gunslinger47 23:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I just thought maybe we could find a picture without Iruka in it, since he is just a supporting character which isn't all that important. Maybe just a picture of team 7? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.90.32.175 (talk) 00:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Similarities to 666 Satan
well since theres a similarities section, on the 666 Satan page, all things being equal wheres Narutos? This manga and its characters have similar traits to the manga series Naruto, mainly because the creator is Seishi's twin brother, Masashi. When 666 Satan was released in Japan it was accused of being a copycat to Naruto[2][3][4][5][6][7]. This can be explained by the fact that the two are brothers. In turn, both share similar influences and similar artistic styles. Both manga were deeply influenced by Akira Toriyama's Dragon Ball and have incorporated many elements from it into their own stories.

Examples of similarities between 666 Satan and Naruto include, but are not limited to:

The main character of both stories lack parents; and substitute others for parental and familial figures. Naruto shares this trait. Both protagonists in each manga (Jio Freed and Naruto Uzumaki respectively) have a very powerful demon inside of them (both the most powerful of a series of demons in each series), such as Naruto's Nine-Tailed Fox and Jio's Satan. Jio and Naruto both share certain physical characteristics of the demons they each play host to such as Naruto's whiskers, eyes and canine teeth and Jio's half-white hair and one red eye. Hard childhood is important for the storyline of both Naruto's and 666 Satan's protagonists. Both Jio and Naruto start friendless because of the demons inside of them which cause them to be shunned by society in general. Both come to the "conclusion" that they need to become the strongest person around, in order to conquer the world/ become hokage. Both Naruto and Jio were trained by hermits, Jio by Kirin and Naruto by Jiraiya. Jiraiya and Kirin look somewhat alike, with long silver hair, and both are very strong. Both Naruto and Jio cannot control their demon. Both have had outside influence in learning how to suppress their demons (in a literal sense). Both stories also have organizations trying to capture these demons. Both Jio Freed and Naruto Uzumaki have "talked" with their demon's and in some cases, even had altercations with them. In certain instances, both Jio and Naruto have had to make usage of their demon's power. Kirin (666 Satan) and Kakashi (Naruto) have each lost their left eye and are in possesion of a unique eye (The Cyclops Eye and the Sharingan Eye respectively) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.55.182 (talk) 15:00, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

377
Why wasn't chapter 377 released this weak? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.226.78.136 (talk) 23:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

FLC for List of Naruto chapters
Note that the WP:FLC nomination for List of Naruto chapters has nearly reached its ten day mark. Feel free to express your comments at the nomination here. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 08:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Discussion must be taken about this
As we have seen, the deletion crew seems to have taken a liking to us, and articles are getting deleted left and right. Something must be done about this, and quick. I propose the following:


 * Step 1 - Move Naruto geography, Naruto rankings, and Jutsu (Naruto) to one large Naruto universe topic. - Completed
 * Step 2 - Create seperate page for notable jutsu entitled List of notable jutsu in Naruto. - Abandoned
 * Step 3 - Split Akatsuki (Naruto), Tailed beasts, and List of Naruto summons. Characters get moved to List of Naruto characters. Info on the Tailed beasts and Akatsuki gets moved to Naruto universe. The summoning technique itself listed in notable jutsu. - Completed
 * Step 4 - Split Land of Fire, Land of Sound, and Land of Wind. Country moved to Naruto unvierse. Characters to character page. - Completed
 * Step 5 - Split characters page into several pages by alphabet, like Pokemon and One Piece. - Abandoned
 * Step 6 - Merge List of Naruto media, half of it is voice actors and is almost useless. - Abandoned
 * Step 7 - Merge of all articles with no hope of out-of-universe info that can be merged. This includes Neji Hyuga, Rock Lee, Gaara, Shikamaru Nara, Jiraiya (Naruto), Tsunade (Naruto), and Orochimaru (Naruto). Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, and Kakashi have out-of-universe info, we just need to dig it out.
 * Step 8 - Merge character and Naruto templates together. - Completed
 * Step 9 - Begin finding all out-of-universe info and use it. This includes anything, like how much a character made in figurine sales. The Naruto article itself should be centered more around the series' success and out-of-universe info rather than the series itself.
 * Step 10 - Begin rapid improvement of all articles below FA/FL-Class status. All episode lists besides Shippuden should reach FL-Class status, the Part 1 chapters too. Video games should be improved largely. Card games should be discussed.
 * Step 11 - In character locations, list what they do in card game, video games, etc., like Pokemon did.

Please note that anything italicized should be done even if this is rejected.

Yes, this seems very drastic, but what else can be done. If we limit the number of articles on our own, the deletion crew might start to ignore us. Doing this, Naruto will become a role model to all other anime and manga articles on Wikipedia and other fictional series as well. Something needs to be done, and that is the point of this discussion. Here I only give my proposal. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk) 01:40, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Long response:
 * Step 1 - A Naruto universe article is fine. Naruto geography and Naruto ninja ranks should and can be merged into such an article. After recent fiddling, Jutsu (Naruto) can stand on its own, and some concentrated work can bring it to GA status. It can stay. Naturally, a mention along with a tag in its section will be included. All in-universe elements should be represented in the Naruto universe article.
 * Step 2 - No. The only two jutsu that would possibly receive recognition is Rasengan or Chidori, and I fail to see how you're going to justify at an AfD that the article should stay on that merit.
 * Step 3 - Tailed beasts and List of Naruto summons should be merged. I'm uncertain about Akatsuki (Naruto), but I'm leaning towards accepting your suggestion in this case.
 * Step 4 - Fine.
 * Step 5 - Eh. Creates unnecessary subpages. Compressed sections are better. If that fails, then subpages become necessary. The biggest thing we have to take into account is that the utterly insignificant minor characters can receive a simple mention in a sentence rather than a full-blown description of them. How this should be organized is a significant topic of discussion.
 * Step 6 - No, no, no. Ideally, it should look like List of Kingdom Hearts media. It's the master list for List of Naruto episodes, List of Naruto manga volumes, List of Naruto video games, and everything else. The justification for those lists is because they cannot feasibly fit into a single media page.
 * Step 7 - Fair enough. They can always be restored if notability is found.
 * Step 8 - If your changes go through, then yes.
 * Step 9 - If we can find this, then we can kiss most of our problems good bye. Good luck though. =/
 * Step 10 - The only lists that can currently achieve FL status are List of Naruto video games and List of Naruto media. Seasons 5-6, Seasons 7-9, and the Shippuden episodes cannot achieve FL status now since they are ongoing (Seasons 5-6, Shippuden), failing the stability requirement, or the English media has not gotten to them yet (Seasons 7-9), thus failing the comprehensiveness and the stability requirements (if they could have FL status, I would have finished and nominated them already :p). Video games can be improved. Note that Naruto: Clash of Ninja (series) isn't the absolute greatest example. I was able to kick it through WP:GAC because the requirements aren't as stringent as WP:FAC. Several recent games such as Clash of Ninja Revolution, Rise of Ninja, and something else that I'm forgetting can definitely have their own articles and begin moving up though.
 * Step 11 - Eh. You could include what they do in other media, but the thing that needs to be there is development and reception. That's the reason all the Pokemon GAs were delisted, and why they're sitting in rather horrible looking lists right now.
 * Onto the optional stuff:
 * Step 1 - What do you mean by one topic? Into List of Naruto video games you mean? If anything we should be examining which games are individually notable and look into splitting them at this point.
 * Step 2 - Questionable. More information is needed. I can imagine that with significant effort, it could be maintained.
 * Step 3 - Keep them. We don't need a single gigantic template. However, if the characters are merged, then that template should theoretically be merged into the main one.
 * Nice job on getting on the ball though. All of the above is a sign of progress, which is good. Many of these ideas should and can be implemented. Regards, Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 02:04, 17 November 2007 (UTC)



!Step || Opinion || Step || Opinion
 * 1 || Agreed, though not Jutsu || 7 || Agreed. Keep recognizable figures, merge the rest, move excess data to Naruto.
 * 2 || Disagree, too few notable || 8 || n/c
 * 3 || Indiscriminate information. Move non-notables to Naruto.|| 9 || n/c
 * 4 || Summarize and move to Universe.|| 10 || n/c
 * 5 || n/c || 11 || Weak agree.
 * 6 || Disagree.
 * }
 * I've been shifting in my stance on Wikipedia fiction coverage lately. I think we should make more links to Naruto to encourage users interested in detailed information about the series to go where it is more appropriate.  Interlinks are easy (for example Wikia:Naruto:Naruto Uzumaki) and they could use the motivated editors who come here with good faith edits only to be reverted. –Gunslinger47 02:40, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 5 || n/c || 11 || Weak agree.
 * 6 || Disagree.
 * }
 * I've been shifting in my stance on Wikipedia fiction coverage lately. I think we should make more links to Naruto to encourage users interested in detailed information about the series to go where it is more appropriate.  Interlinks are easy (for example Wikia:Naruto:Naruto Uzumaki) and they could use the motivated editors who come here with good faith edits only to be reverted. –Gunslinger47 02:40, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * }
 * I've been shifting in my stance on Wikipedia fiction coverage lately. I think we should make more links to Naruto to encourage users interested in detailed information about the series to go where it is more appropriate.  Interlinks are easy (for example Wikia:Naruto:Naruto Uzumaki) and they could use the motivated editors who come here with good faith edits only to be reverted. –Gunslinger47 02:40, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not about to make a huge list, so I'm heading back down the indent. Like Seph said, a Naruto universe topic would be a good way to slap all the little details into a topic that won't readily be deleted. I do question the wisdom of a separate jutsu page. I see that getting shot down quickly. Akatsuki is fine as is, tailed beasts could be merged, but the rest is good enough. Don't merge the media page. It needs to exist. To the rest of those steps, again merging is being treated like it's the only option. The articles do not have to be merged for sources to be found, and the suggestion seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. For the optional ones, video games are inherently notable. Merging them (more than we already have) would be foolish. Card game, too. The tempaltes can remain separate because it's a much more helpful form of navigation. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:14, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * On the subject of the characters, however, we should seriously reconsider List of Naruto characters. It should be the master list for everything else, but simply listing all the characters is not sufficient. It needs to be comprehensive; ergo, it should have sections for every group of characters, listing them, or summarizing them and providing a link to the main article for those characters in that specific section. As I've said before, much of the material on these characters can be heavily reduced (do we need summaries as long as Sansho, Natsuhi or Haruna?). Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 02:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree in that respect. That particular list could use a major revamp. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:41, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm confused. What exactly is going on here?--TheUltimate3 (talk) 11:51, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * 1.	"List of Naruto terms" seems like a title that is less likely to be attracted to AfDs. Include whatever vocabulary and concepts that are not really covered elsewhere as well.
 * 2.	Not going to work. Dragon Ball and One Piece have had their ability lists deleted, and a Naruto counterpart would inevitably meet the same fate.
 * 3.	List of Naruto characters should not be a depository for characters that can't go anywhere else. It should be a disambiguation page that acts as an index for every character listed somewhere on Wikipedia. Akatsuki, I've no doubt, could reach GA status once it becomes more prominent in the US anime/manga. Leave it be for the time being.
 * 4.	Fine.
 * 5.	Character status should suffice; major characters, minor characters, and villain articles can contain every character that needs to be mentioned.
 * 6.	Merge to what? Itself? There are few places the information could go. Clean up and a general improvement in quality would be enough.
 * 7.	I find it unlikely that all of those characters can be merged. Besides, some are fairly active in the plot and therefore are more likely to have out of universe information.
 * 8.	Don't care. Character template probably wouldn't be long enough after whatever merging there will be is done, though it would still serve its purpose by being separate.
 * O1.	Unfeasibly long and would be of terribly poor quality. Some games can stand on their own (Clash of Ninja offshoots and Rise of Ninja being two examples).
 * O2.	You're overextending. Fiction is the prime target for AfDs, not out of universe material based on that fiction. CCG article is fine by itself.
 * As Gunslinger suggested, a better reliance/advertisement of the Naruto wikia would lessen the amount of material anons think should be included on Wikipedia. We cover the characters/things necessary to understand the basic plot and whatever else is essential to those characters/things, and depend on the wikia to cover everything else. This would mean an exclusion of filler material (with a handful of exceptions), background characters (family members, Chunin Exam proctors), and things that receive little to no attention in the long run (couple of ranks, most countries and villages) here. Coming up with inclusion criteria, were this idea to be popular enough, would be a good idea. ~SnapperTo 23:26, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Updated list. Although I can easily see useless characters like that fish girl from the Anko filler arc moved to the wikia, others are questionable. Besides mabye Idate and Aoi, I doubt if any filler character can be called notable. Some manga and anime characters are minor, but it would be hard not mentioning them (Konoha's two elders, for example). Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk) 18:17, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


 * If a character (filler or manga) isn't mentioned to and significant effect Wikipedia, they don't meed to be listed anywhere. Raiga and Matsuri are two filler characters who see coverage outside of their own entries, and thus I'd support keeping them. The Konoha elders, conversely, are only mentioned as far as being Konoha elders/the Third's former teammates. Nothing substantial, hence little reason to keep them. ~SnapperTo 20:51, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


 * But who will be doing the Wikia moving? I ask this mainly as I am an editor there, but don't have the time nor energy required to move so many to that list.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 19:38, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Then move five (or however may you have the time and energy for) characters every day until you're done. Or recruit someone to help you. ~SnapperTo 20:51, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Question: lessons from another orphan?
Can wikipedia's Harry Potter and related articles be used as a template or guideline for the Naruto articles? With respect to the vigilance of Rowling and her publishers these articles do not appear to be infringing on copyright laws. Also both universes possess highly detailed characters, societies, skills and conventions. I understand that Harry's universe has many more secondary sources available to its Western audience because it was originally written in English and has a wider appeal; while Naruto's is more niche and suffers from the the "lost in translation" phenomenon. Still, is this a good idea for the articles' editors? 201.238.81.248 21:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

A minor but very useful suggestion
I suggest that instead of linking to where a merged character is like "Akatsuki (Naruto)#Kisame Hoshigaki|Kisame Hoshigaki", instead we just link to the redirect. That way if the character is moved to somewhere else, all that is needed is to change the redirect page and be done with it rather than searching each article for a link to that character like "Akatsuki (Naruto)#Kisame Hoshigaki|Kisame Hoshigaki". We can also do this to countries as well. As such, a category for Naruto redirects should be made as well. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 16:00, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * There's little point in bringing something up for discussion if you aren't going to wait for anyone to discuss it. I have reverted your edits. Redirects should be avoided where possible. Besides, on the various lists you were replacing links to topics within the article with redirects, creating self-redirecting links and forcing the page to reload whenever the link is clicked. Extremely impractical. ~SnapperTo 20:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Major Spoiler Warning
At the beginning of the 'plot' section it is stated that naruto is the son of the fourth hokage. this has not yet been revealed in the anime and this piece of information may ruin the viewing pleasure for some people. there should either be a major spoiler warning or the line "sacrificed his own life to seal the demon inside his newborn son, Naruto Uzumaki." should be changed to "sacrificed his own life to seal the demon inside a newborn baby, Naruto Uzumaki." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amitamit2 (talk • contribs) 12:38, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I am inclined to agree. There is no reference as to where it is said but the English manga and anime nor the Japanese anime have reached that point. Therefore, the only 'legal' way to find such information is to read the Japanese manga in Japanese. As this is the English Wikipedia, I do not believe that it would be appropriate to include this information so, for now, I shall remove it. If anyone has valid reason why it should remain, please discuss here. Raccool 67.60.197.248 (talk) 16:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, the page is locked to me because it's semi-protected. Probably need a Wikipedia account in order to edit it and that, as my friend would say, "reeks of effort" and I'm about to leave. I'll let you guys discuss it for now. Raccool 67.60.197.248 (talk) 16:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * While I am inclined to actually agree with you, this is not the norm in Wikipedia right now. I am not going to revert it, but you're likely to run into people more knowledgable about policy than I am telling you why it should stay. JuJube (talk) 16:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I decided to revert it and leave an invisible sign that says "Dont put naruto is his son as that is not confirmed until chapter 366" to avoid anybody editing that. None plot introduction on any channel gives a spoiler. I just was bold.Tintor2 14:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Stray article
A few people are working on a page here: Naruto Shippuden. –Gunslinger47 20:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * So they used a redirect to this page to recreate Plot of Naruto: Shippuden. I've turned it back to a redirect and going to request that it be protected. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 20:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a shame that we didn't catch it earlier, as it looks like quite a bit of work. Anyone object to handing over the deleted content to Naruto? –Gunslinger47 20:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Naruto Wikia
It is now time for us to begin moving information to the Naruto wikia. There is so much information to move, however, that we could be in for some difficulty, and from what I've seen our administrator is picky with moving articles from here to there. How you'llo be handling this, however, I can't participate, as whatever time I'm on my computer anymore will be spent improving the wikia. I'll be starting with the Akatsuki articles, then the ones listed on the major characters article here and the Nine-Tails (who is major), then everyone else. Please treat articles here as good as, possibly better than, those here on Wikipedia if you decide to participate. Why? If an article here is deleted, the Wikia shall be an archieve of the articles for us to use, making it key to our task forces' success on the Naruto articles. P.S. If any help moving is needed, don't hesitate asking One Piece, which is quite skilled at moving to wikias and updates the wikia daily. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk) 21:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Please be mindful on how the Wikia is structured. I can safetly say that the Akatsuki members (save Itachi which you just worked with) is Zetsu, Deidara, and maybe Sasori. Everyone else is fine. That being said, the Haku article can't be touched as of now due to a very presistant editor and his edit war. Lets see, the Jutsu's are seperated for a reason, and the admin (Dantman) has a plan for them which requires their seperation. So please leave them be. The Tailed Beasts are fine, the only two that could have an article (Demon Fox and the Shukaku) have their own, with the Two and Three tails in the "Tailed Beasts" section. Also I have quite a few archives in my User Page on the Wikia so please just use those to seperate into character articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheUltimate3 (talk • contribs) 22:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The Haku article is fine now. The user didn't have very good relations with the community and appears to have left on his own.
 * Actually, Tailed-beasts at some point should be split up to, same with the List of Ninja Tools.


 * As for why everything is getting it's own page. Other than the whole ideal of Wikia ACG's ideal of giving everything it's own space, there is a light technical bit behind it. Wikia is going to be adding Semantic MediaWiki at some point, and I intend to setup our templates to take advantage of that. It'll mean some pointless categories which fill up the list (Like ones on Gender, etc...) won't need to be added to the page. In addition to that, other things like the Ninja Ranks that the Character has achieved, ninja registration, age, birthdate, clan, kekkei genkai, jutsu, etc... Can all be added as Semantic Attributes. That'll allow people to browse by and list/search those with those attributes. And unlike Categories, I remember that Semantic MediaWiki should be able to allow for listing by multiple attributes. So you could search for all the Characters, who have become Chunin or higher, Are female, and are, or have been affiliated with Konoha. ^_^ Intriguing? Not to mention that Semantic MediaWiki (Or for the matter, we could even do it with DPL at the moment) could create automatic Jutsu lists, character lists, list characters in a clan on a clan article, etc... The primary thing is that neither DPL or Semantic MediaWiki can separate the data in a way that lets you put things on the same article. But it's not like that's a big issue, gives you more space, and if you need anything summarized somewhere, we can transclude it.


 * On another note, I see a Narutopedia link in the External links section of the Wikipedia article, any clue who added that there? Cause it doesn't link to the Narutopedia that Wikipedia editors are copying things to and going to, it appears to link to another wiki that calls itself the Narutopedia, but isn't even as big as us. Perhaps the link should be changed to the Narutopedia that the Wikipedia editors recognize, not one which likely added itself? As for the wiki itself, I think I'll tell them about the Narutopedia at Wikia, see if they want to join in. Dantman (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 08:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Question Regarding a Spoiler Removal
Recently the fact that Naruto was the 4th son was removed from the plot infomation section as a spoiler with hidden text stating, Dont put naruto is his son as that is not confirmed until chapter 366,. I assume that the person removed it since the English manga is not that far yet. I personally question that decision and wanted so imput to see if there is agreement with that decision or if it should be reverted. Finally, since I am not a regeristered user I can't change it myself so somone else would have to do it if a reversion is decided on. --65.95.17.231 (talk) 00:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

No, when we put info about the plot introduction we can only give the information known from the start, we cant say other things like the name of the 3rd hokage or anything. Its not about the english manga as I dont live in USA. Its for anybody watching or reading the series. I put that text in edit to avoid anybody write it. Let me give you an example: in the plot introduction of dragon ball (the whole story) we cant say goku is a saiyan as this is not from the start. Maybe in the plot introduction of the Z saga.--Tintor2 (talk) 00:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Just curious, what do you consider plot introduction. Where do you draw that line? My opinion is that we should have all available information on the page. -- Naruto     Tron   02:20, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I would assume, anything before episode 3 is considered intro info. If its past Episode 3, then its considered "not intro" and probably can't be used. /shrug I suppose.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 02:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm. I don't understand why we need to restrict ourselves to that information. Is there any reason? -- Naruto     Tron   02:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Because a plot introdution is for people who starts watching the series (this would be lik the summary in the back of a DVD, the wont tell you how the Matrix ends. This is the only article in which we cant give spoilers.--Tintor2 (talk) 11:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

A spoiler is a piece of information in an article about a narrative work (such as a book, feature film, television show or video game) that reveals plot events or twists.

Spoilers on the Internet are sometimes preceded by a spoiler warning. On Wikipedia, however, it is generally expected that the subjects of our articles will be covered in detail. Therefore, Wikipedia carries no spoiler warnings except for the Content disclaimer.

It is not acceptable to delete information from an article about a work of fiction because you think it spoils the plot. Such concerns must not interfere with neutral point of view, encyclopedic tone, completeness, or any other element of article quality (for example, WP:LEAD). (Masterxak (talk) 17:48, 2 March 2008 (UTC))

Recent Kishimoto Interview
There is a Kishimoto interview taken from the Jump Fest 2008 being posted on a number of sites. Apparently it has been confirmed as being real by a number of sources. Kishimoto mentions a few characters like Sasuke, Naruto, Sakura, Kakashi, and Shikamaru. Could this interview be used as a source for these character's articles? Sid122 (talk) 22:44, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I also read it. I only think we could that the info of snake. I dont know if the interview is real as it is only posted in forums.Tintor2 (talk) 22:59, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Do you hae a link for the interview? or is it in japanese?Dragon queen4ever (talk) 21:22, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The interview is up at a number of anime/manga sites. Here is just one of them. http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=59857


 * Perhaps it could be used as a source if it were transfered to a text file. Sid122   talk  10:54, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

But that it seems we only find it in forums, so it wouldnt be good to use a forum as a source.Tintor2 (talk) 11:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

To me, it almost made no sense at all @_@ am I the only one under the impression someone had done a very bad job translating?Dragon queen4ever (talk) 23:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

END?
With Jiraiya Dead (or dying),Sasuke facing Itachi, and Naruto getting ready to fight Tobi, is the story nearing its end? Does anyone know if Kishimoto has said anything about this... I hope it still has year to go before the end comes...4.90.34.99 (talk) 20:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No verification on that yet that I've heard. It does seem like he's rushing to get somewhere lately, though. –Gunslinger47 20:33, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Today there was a joke about that. The series is confirmed to keep at least during the 2008. This talk may be deleted because it looks like a forum. –Tintor2 21:24, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Number of episodes
I couldn't find the total number of episodes that have been aired until now. Someone please add it to the introduction (as it is for most of the on-going series).Jahilia (talk) 13:26, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Did you check the infobox? ~SnapperTo 23:04, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

VIZ
Why did viz only try to advance the Naruto Manga and not the others (such as One PIece which is far behind the japanese counterparts.) I know they wanted to reach part two, but there must be another reason. Does anyone know?4.227.111.40 (talk) 18:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I would imagine Naruto was their most profitable "far-behind" series. What better way to cash in on that then to release 12 volumes in four months? This, of course is a guess, as is any other explanation. In any event, I hope One Piece will receive the same treatment in the very near future; 33 volumes behind is far too many. ~SnapperTo 21:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion
My idea is that if we put a little section of the villages system in the main article linking it to Naruto universe. I think that would help people to give little explanation of the villages.

Another suggestion is that if we put a brief description of the four main characters linking them to their main articles like the Bleach (manga) article that has reached the GA-status. I will be bold if sby tells me.–Tintor2 19:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Go for it. But I would keep it like the Bleach article which gives a brief description of seven characters. Sasuke, Naruto, Sakura, Kakashi, Orochimaru, Shikamaru, and Gaara would probably be the equivalent of the main seven Bleach characters. Sid122   talk  00:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Those seven were chosen because there were seven, not because there must be seven. Naruto has only four clear-cut main characters (Team 7), while Shikamaru, Gaara, Jiraiya, Tsunade, and Orochimaru also seem to fit very well. If we do go with this, it would be more wise to go with just the original members of Team 7. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk) 20:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

No chapter
why was there no chapter released last week? Is one going to be released this week? 4.227.108.213 (talk) 03:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Next week. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 03:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Weekly Shonen Jump won't be published until the 21st, so don't expect to see a RAW until around next Friday. –Gunslinger47 03:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Reception paragraph
Since card games are mentioned here, how about extending this part and metioning console games and online games as well? Cornim (talk) 22:40, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Future Episodes
Since October, Two new episodes have been airing every week on toonami(2 competely new episodes, not repeats). I was just wondering if the schedule is going to be the same for the rest of the fillers and hopefully shippuden. Is there any news on this? Does anyone know? 4.226.78.227 (talk) 03:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Character Bloodtypes
Hey, didn't the characters all have their bloodypes on their pages before? I clicked on a bunch of different pages that i could have sworn had their blood type, but it wasn't there. Now have I completely lost it, or did they get removed somewhere down the line. And if so, why'd we get rid of it? Ichliebezuko (talk) 16:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Removed because they would only be important to fans of the series (as such, they are fancruft) and have no notability towards anything. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk) 20:31, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, that makes sense. I kind of liked them there, but you do have a point. Thanks! :) Ichliebezuko (talk) 16:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Wait, if that's only important to fans, do the character birthdays have enough notability? I guess they would have some relevance to zodiacs, i guess. IDK. Ichliebezuko (talk) 15:08, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Characters's Ages
I've noticed that the ages in Part II (aka Hurricane Chronicles) have been deleted, but it still shows how much they aged during Part I. I think it would be a little simpler if the only age shown is when the characters first appeared (if not at the beginning of the series.)
 * Examples: 12 (at the beginning); or 12 (at first appearance)

Do you think this would be better?--Halls452 (talk) 01:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Request GA withdrawal
To put it bluntly, this article isn't even close to being ready for GA status. There is a complete lack of any sort of media section to discuss the enormous breadth of media that encompass the franchise (see Shakugan no Shana, Strawberry Panic! and more). Aside from that, there's no conception/development/etc. information on the manga, anime, or franchise as a whole, and the reception is lackluster at best. Even the in-universe sections are poor: they aren't sourced completely, they could use some expansion, the prose needs work, among other things. In all, the GA nomination should be withdrawn until the article is actually improved. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 07:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Also note that if drastic improvements are made to the article in the interim period between now and an actual review, then the article should be failed due to not being stable (as it is the subject of several major edits over a significant course of time). Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 07:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Seconded. Its a work in progress, and will b eheading there one day, but it is not ready yet. AnmaFinotera (talk) 07:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I would also like for the article to fail GAC review, per request on my talk page. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:53, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Who nominated it? If one of you three did, it can be self-withdrawn with very little fuss, just note it in the edit summary "self-withdrawing Naruto per discussion on Talk:Naruto" or something - it's not the usually done thing, but it shouldn't cause a ruckus. -Malkinann (talk) 03:56, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I support removing it. I'll inform Lord Sesshomaru (who put it there, apparently) that he can self remove Naruto from the list. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk) 20:52, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Copy editing?
For the past month I've been reading through the various articles and noticed that there are numerous grammer, etc., errors. I'd like to help clean them up in my spare time, any one want to help? A good place to start would be the detailed episode lists, many of the descriptions seem to have been written by non-native English speakers and making corrections would be a great improvement. 76.189.178.118 (talk) 03:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

GA fail
This article is pretty good, but I don't feel it meets the GA criteria, especially for breadth. I have doubts that the 16 citations shown here cover everything worth telling us about this popular series. I see many links in the External Links that seem to carry information that could be added. The reception section could be larger, given it's popularity, and we could use a section describing production and other elements of the show in more detail. Right now, this article reads like it has holes in places research-wise. Feel free to re-nominate once these things are figured out. Wrad (talk) 01:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Shippūden on Hero TV in Philippines
Don't you think that this YouTube link, may probably be a better reference? The ANN link, http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=7293, doesn't really show a source apart from itself, and ANN does not have any information that I can see from its press release page... ABS-CBN and Hero TV's webpages (besides their online forums) don't have any information either that I can find (they mention Naruto in general, but nothing specifically on "Shippūden"/"Season 5"). --Geopgeop (T) 11:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Youtube links are generally discoiurged due to copywright conserns so it would likely not even be allowed as a reference. --76.71.209.177 (talk) 19:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I figured something like that would come up, good thing I asked. --Geopgeop (T) 10:35, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay Listen People
I know I will sound like a total weirdo but we should just stop fighting and start fixing. We have lost focus of the true essence of Wikipedia. Facts. We need to state facts(even if it is overly obvious) I mean someone nominated it for a B in best articles. Come on we need to fix this site.--Landabardy (talk) 02:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Two Things
If GA and/or FA is really desired in the future, then isn't it about time this article met the Anime and Manga MOS? :P It may not matter as much for GA, depending on the reviewer, but as someone who generally weighs in on anime related FAs, article's that does not follow the MOS are unlikely to pass.

Also, someone might want to incorporate this into the reception section: Naruto vol 28 #17 on USA Today's list of best selling books which is its highest position ever and the second highest for any manga volume. AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:31, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Similarities
I find many things in Naruto similar to Hunter x Hunter. Like Kurapika and Sasuke, Hunter exams and Chuunin exams, main character has never met their parents, i think that we need to insert a section like this in the article, like in 666_Satan.--MCP9999 (talk) 13:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Original research. 666 Satan is neither a GA or FA, so we shouldnt use it as example--Tintor2 (talk) 14:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Appearances in other media
Would it be a good idea to add other anime appearances to the main article? For instance, in an episode of Yakitate!! Japan, Kawachi and Suwabara have a fight while acting like Naruto and Sasuke, respectivly. Lettrikanatina (talk) 22:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Gaia Online also has Naruto-like items available for avatars: the headband, kunai, shuriken, and sandals, to name a few.Lettrikanatina (talk) 23:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Not unless it can be sourced, otherwise it's just so much original research. — Dino guy  1000  00:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

If he knows the episode he can use "cite episode" citation.Tintor2 (talk) 00:32, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Random allusions in other anime shouldn't be included. It's trivial. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 01:57, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Naruto Shippuden :Konoha Gakuen special is out now.Is an update necessary? Sorry this is the only reference i got, but it is authentic. Vahneris ( Converse ) 21:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I've removed the link as it violates WP:COPYVIO. AnmaFinotera (talk) 15:44, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

That video must be some kinf of OVA, however I cant confirm it, although its obvious.Tintor2 (talk) 15:47, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Naruto Cancelation
I heard that the american version might be canceled. Can someone varify this? Also, even if it isn't, someone should add to "trivia" or make another section that they can put how a ten yr. old killed himself by trying to do the sand coffin.

Tayler —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.71.223.83 (talk • contribs) 21:00, 23 March 2008
 * First we are going to need a source about the cancelation and there is arleady a discussion and consensus not to add the sandbox story in one of the above section. I am guessing the cancelation thing was likely some rumor based on that story becasuse I would blieve that several anime sites would have mentioned something like that. Personally I bleive that it is highly unlikely. --76.71.208.33 (talk) 19:59, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Taking a closer look most of the talk about a possibile cancelation has been messageboad discussion about the possibiltiy of a cancelation. The only place where I saw someone state that the show was going to be caneclled was a person on Yahoo Answers who offered no evidence and the date the person said it would be caneclled is a tuesday. . The problem there is that the show does not air on a tuesday. In short this seems like a simple case people speculating and a few people making things up. It is definely not verfiable. --76.71.208.33 (talk) 20:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Naruto light novel
I didn't see any information about it on the article, but it seems there's been at least one Naruto light novel: Naruto– Innocent Heart, Demonic Blood (Naruto –shiro no dōji, keppū no kijin–), written by Masatoshi Kusakabe and published in Japan by Shueisha Inc. in 2002, with an English distribution by VIZ in 2006. Could anyone confirm and expand the details and possibly list any other Naruto light novels? — Dino guy  1000  19:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Its listed in the hideous thing that is List of Naruto media :( Some serious MOS formatting is needed here, and that list could probably just go. Nothing there that doesn't more properly belong here when there are already episode and chapter lists too. AnmaFinotera (talk) 20:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Aah, that makes sense. I've never actually bothered to look at List of Naruto media, but I may now. In any case, I was actually referring to the fact that the light novel recieves no mention whatsoever in the infobox. — Dino guy  1000  20:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, yeah, an info box should be added for it. :) AnmaFinotera (talk) 20:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Naruto on Cartoon Network Asia
Cartoon Network Asia is showing Naruto on April 7th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ITAQ (talk • contribs) 05:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

More Reception Stuff
ICv2 has started a new feature: "a monthly list of the "Top 20 Graphic Novels" sold by U.S. book retailers, provided by Nielsen BookScan". They have posted BookScan's Top 20 Graphic Novels for March, and Naruto is dominating the list with its 28th volume at the top of the list, and four more volumes plus the art book also in the top 20. http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/12330.html Certainly speaks to its reception and popularity here.AnmaFinotera (talk) 15:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I ll try to add it.Tintor2 (talk) 23:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

10 Year Old Dies in Sandbox
There's been news recently about a ten-year-old kid who buried his head in 12 feet of sand who has died recently from the complications. The media blames Naruto for this incident. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.10.65.50 (talk) 06:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * He was trying to imitate a Sand technique. Which one, I have no clue... when did Gaara use a "Bury Self in Sand and Die" jutsu? JuJube (talk) 06:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * i don't know anything about the events, but the jutsu in quesiton is called in the dubbed version "Earth Style: Headhunter Jutsu" where Kakashi pulls Sasake down into the earth leaving only his head exposed from and early episode when they first met Kakashi. is there a link to the event in the news? shadzar-talk 06:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The news report I read (don't have the link) said the kid was buried headfirst but apparently completely in a sandbox, and his friends specifically said he was imitating a technique of the "Village Hidden in the Sand". JuJube (talk) 06:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's one, and another with the boy's picture. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Should we create a section based on these events? σмgнgσмg (talk)  06:49, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I would definitely say YES. Death Note has a controversy section, we should do something similar. BTW, here's another source (with a video) where they refer to the show as "Naruto Sandmasters". Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless something actually comes out of it (lawsuit, actual law, etc.), then it's just another random event. It shouldn't be included. A controversy section covering this one event would be ill-advised and unnecessary. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 07:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Sephiroth BCR. Unless the parents sue, there is mass media hysteria, or CN decides to yank it from the airwaves, its just another story of an unsupervised child imitating something on TV (and the whole bury in the sand thing isn't exactly a unique concept to Naruto), then it isn't a controversy at all. So far Naruto is being named more as a side note than anything else. AnmaFinotera (talk) 07:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Would a blurb in Reception be too much to ask? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 07:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really. Again, unless something actually comes out of it, then it's a minor event that we shouldn't report. See WP:NOT. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 07:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I only came across this article because I just read about this news item on Fox News, it happens to be the number one most read article on their site right now. They actually have the name of the game misspelled which I just created a redirect for. Anyways, I was surprised not to see a little blurb about the incident in the article- at least to explain what the heck these kids thought they were actually imitating anyways- I've never heard of this cartoon before today and some explanation would be helpful- I doubt I'm the only one who would think so. Thanks! &mdash;Elipongo (Talk contribs) 14:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I too think there should be a small mention. But, apparently, policy comes into play. A shame. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Septhiroth; unless this acutally becomes something, like Chinese schools banning Death Note, then there's not really a point in mentioning this (unless we have gotten to the point where we are searching very desperately for out-of-universe info for this article). Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk) 19:21, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * As one who lives within miles of this sad situation I would think it would bear keeping an eye on in the next few days to see where it goes. Right now there is a lot going on with the story.  The family (who has confirmed a direct connection to Naruko specifically) is being attacked more for allowing the boys (three of the other boys who buried him were Codey's cousins) to watch the show at all, which is drawing negative attention to the content of the show and appropriateness of where and when it airs on US television.  Much is just media fanning the fires, showing distraught neighbours calling for a ban or boycotts on the show, but sometimes this is how bigger things erupt. OneHappyHusky (talk) 11:46, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's rather depressing watching this type of event unfold in the media, and even more so when you consider the fact that Gaara isn't actually all that major of a character, and thus hardly sets the tone for the series. — Dino guy  1000  18:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I know what you mean. I was literally baffled when this was in the news. Guess some kids have crazier imaginations than most. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:51, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm more confused about how it's possible to get your head stuck in sand. Unless my childhood sandboxes are wrong, sandboxes aren't that deep in the first place. Casull 18:53, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * IIRC, the sandbox was a foot deep so it's possible. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * A foot deep? Man, lucky kids nowadays!  Why, when I was their age, *rant rant rant* But in all seriousness, what I do find disturbing are talks of censoring access to Naruto itself, rather than teaching kids nowadays that it's obviously a cartoon.  But as this talk page is not meant to be a forum, I suppose I should state this could be article-worthy if something big happens because of it, like AS pulling Naruto or something.  Casull 19:10, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That would be good to add to the article. Do you remember the source? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

(unindent) If I may, I'd like to point out that Toonami airs Naruto in the U.S., not Adult Swim. — Dino guy  1000  19:22, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Naruto got taken of didn't it? I could be wrong....petty sure (definatly in my opinion it should of). Many parents are so naive that Naruto is a teenager show, not Elementary school kid. But I can completly understand CN's selfishness in keeping the show. Jump Guru (talk) 19:40, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Not that I am aware of. It is still litsed on the website and the according to the schedual it still aires. If you are talking about it being removed from adult swim I don't believe that is the case either since the article mentioned that it debuted on Toonami. --76.66.191.9 (talk) 21:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Naturo was recently on as the last program before AS started its programmign block. but as usuall CN switched around programs not only with AS, but other things and now Naruto no longer airs during the week. instead Storm Hawks has taken over than timeslot. Naruto still airs two new episodes each week on saturday nights. i doubt the schedule change had anything to do with this incident, but rather just the usual messing up of the schedule for CN. shadzar-talk 22:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. It would appear that since naruto was one of several shows that was part of the schedual change that the sandbox incidient was likely not the reason. --76.66.185.175 (talk) 02:32, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It definitely belongs in here under a "Controversy" section. (Go, Diego, Go! even has one.)  And the Indonesian death needs to be listed as well. Hill of Beans (talk) 23:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What controversy? Literally, that is quite a poor term to use. –Gunslinger47 01:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Reporting again from "Ground Zero" Story off the map, "better" tragedies to exploit.  Would like to point out only that the sandbox was one constructed by the family in a private back yard, fully enclosed and covered and much larger than conventional public sandboxes, I suspect you could actually bury several persons (even adults) who were laying down as this child was but with head buried deeply to mimic something else.  Tragic but possible, sadly. OneHappyHusky (talk) 07:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This incident does seem like it should have a place in the article, but I don't think 'controversy' is the right word to use, either. The Indonesian death should go into that section, too.  As for whether or not Cartoon Network took the show off the air, the answer is no.  They still show it every Saturday night.  I think they might have taken it off durning the week, but I honestly don't know. Anyway, I think that some info about both this death and the indonesian one would be good for the article.  I still don't think the word 'controversy' fits, but whatever. Ichliebezuko (talk) 15:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Per above, unless something significant actually comes out of it (lawsuit, Naruto is pulled off Cartoon Network, mass protests, hysteria, etc.), then there's nothing to put. It's an isolated event with no real significance. We don't cover events that happen once and are forgotten by the media the following day. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 18:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Naruto ng
there seems to be a Naruto NG out any one else heard of it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thedarklonewolf (talk • contribs) 02:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Why?
I noticed that a lot of Naruto articles have been shortened and put into articles like lists of naruto villians and stuff. Like Haku used to have his own article, along with Zabuza, Rock Lee, and a few others. I also heard that the tailed beasts used to have an article just abouth them. Is there a reason for this? Ichliebezuko (talk) 16:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Because they fail Wikipedia's notability requirements for fictional articles (WP:FICT) as they have no real-world coverage nor significance. Thus they were merged into character lists where they are more appropriate. AnmaFinotera (talk) 16:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

So, if we found some real-world coverage, would we be able to put them back into their own articles again? (sorry, sounds like a stupid question, but i'd rather ask and feel stupid than screw up and feel stupid) Ichliebezuko (talk) 15:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes. Do note though that the characters would have to receive significant coverage (as in not a trivial mention in a single sentence, or a simple rephrasing of the plot) from reliable, verifiable sources that are independent of the subject material. Do so and we'd be happy to recreate the articles. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 16:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict)It would have to be significant real-world coverage from reliable sources. For some examples, see: Rukia Kuchiki, Himura Kenshin, and Kakashi Hatake which are our three most recent anime/manga character GAs. Can also look to Naruto Uzumaki and Belldandy, which are prepping for GAC. Notice that while each article does give brief plot information, they also focuses on and include real world aspects including concept/creation, reception, and his appearances in other media. These are not sourced only from the original works and related media, but from third party sources as well. Not all characters from an anime or manga series can be taken to these levels because while they may be relevant to the series, in the real world they are not. Most characters from Naruto will not have this kind of information available or reliable-third party sources discussing them in any detail. If you think you can accomplish this with some of the characters that were merged, I'd recommend working on a new article in your user sandbox, then when ready presenting it for others to see to confirm it does meet the qualifications. AnmaFinotera (talk) 16:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, I see now. I'll have to go look for stuff now.  Thanks! ;-] Ichliebezuko (talk) 15:43, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * If you were thinking in looking sources for Rock Lee, I was making one here. I could get good reception but nothing about conception.--Tintor2 (talk) 22:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Naruto In Wc3
Well, Naruto excists in Warcraft 3 too , There are like millions of Naruto RPGs and Naruto Arena maps etc. But those people who makes theese maps goes to Wacraft 3 modding websites and make millions of requests about making them Naruto models or Naruto spell packs.Well whats funny is that they usually use internet language , It may look like this. Lyek Hye Can yuo guyz make me N4ruto spelpax & some models pl0x pl0x. They keep spamming up Wc3 moding websites with theese requests and they dont use the search button! There are millions of threads that contain Naruto Model & Spell packs Requests.


 * I think you're talking about the "Naruto Wars" project, or something similar. It isn't worth mentioning in this article. –Gunslinger47 19:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe in the videogames article if that game is legal.Tintor2 (talk) 19:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Episodes: Accuracy?
I see that Naruto has 220 Episo, oh let me get to the point: The Episode Amount is NOT spcific and probily isnt even updated! I say that because, oh I dont know maybe because ITS STILL AIRING NEW EPISODES...sorry Im just a wee bit PISSED OFF right now! Point is can ya give an accurate update on Episode Numbers for the USA if ya may? =^_^=--Akemi Mokoto (talk) 15:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Naruto has finished airing in Japan. It has 220 episodes. That is the accurate episode count. When the US run finishes, it will have the exact same number of episodes. AnmaFinotera (talk) 15:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * How bout the USA's Current Amount!--Akemi Mokoto (talk) 15:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Why should that be listed? No other anime article that I've seen directly indicates the number of episodes released in English, and it's easy enough to see by looking at the dates on the appropriate "List of ... episodes" article. — Dino guy  1000  16:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree with Dino. We're talking about the series as a WHOLE, not just specifically the series in America, even if we ARE on the English-language version of Wikipedia! IceUnshattered (talk) 17:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Genres (copied from Talk:Dragon Ball (manga))
Dragon Ball (manga) has been recategorized to the "Action" sub-genre of "Martial Arts". Should Naruto and YuYu Hakusho undergo the same adjustment?--Nohansen (talk) 19:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes. Tenjho Tenge may need some attention as well. I had some second thoughts about "adventure", but only because this series [Dragon Ball] isn't as broad as, say, One Piece or Saiyuki. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:21, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I think Naruto is "okay" where it stands. What exactly did you want to modify? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Action => Martial arts. The characters are martial artists, aren't they?--Nohansen (talk) 19:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd say yes, and no. Is there a genre which covers the whole ninja concept? Naruto, to me, leans more towards the styles of Ninja Scroll and Basilisk. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ninja Scroll is a chanbara. I haven't read Basilisk but I have a feeling it is a chanbara, as well. Naruto is not. While I don't know of any "ninja genre", I can tell you that ninjutsu is, for all intents and purposes, a martial art.--Nohansen (talk) 21:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * There are early references to chanbara in Naruto but perhaps too minour to apply here. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:06, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Regarding main image change
I noticed that someone chnaged the original main image was replaced with a picture of the first Tankōbon. This appears to have been changed without discussion and I think that a consensus for the change should have ocuured first before anyting happened. personally think the previous picture of the main characters is better than what we have now. Finally, if a decision is made to use the old pitcure it should be added as quicky as possible since it is currently tagged for deletion due to not being used in any articles. Finally, the page is protected so someone else will need to make the change. --76.69.166.248 (talk) 23:37, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I was the one who change it and it is not necessary to make a consensus for this. I thought it would be better since there is already a picture with Team 7 main characters in the article and that the manga is the primary work of the series but this can be discussed and replace the image with a better point than "I like it". Cheers.--Tintor2 (talk) 23:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

More Reception and Media
Naruto 29 debuted at the top of the Book Scan list, and 28 returned with its released: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-05-07/usa-today-booklist-april-28-may-4

As all of the relevant parts from List of Naruto media has been properly merged to this article in sourced prose, I've removed the link and redirected the old page. AnmaFinotera (talk) 15:58, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * There used to be a list, on the media page, of all the songs used in the opening/ending sequences; where has the list been moved to? --WhaT2k (talk) 22:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Episode theme music is covered in the individual episode season lists. AnmaFinotera (talk) 22:32, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Disagree with "partial rv" by Collectonian
WP:CONTEXT says to avoid redundant links, such as common terms (like "ninja") or the same link multiple times. Category:Japanese television series is a parent cat. And changed the image size since it was too blurry. Please tell me, what is wrong with the inclusion of Category:Shapeshifting in fiction? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 15:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually my partial revert had to do more with the other dewikifications, which shouldn't have been done (like the numerous dewikifying in the references, which does not fall under the same link multiple times clause). I tried to put back the ones I agreed with, though I missed the category and ninja. You did so many, a partial revert was the only easy way to undo. I wish you had waited for an answer or just redone those items rather than reverting, since I also rewrote some very badly written stuff in my revert. As such, I've done another partial revert, keeping those items you've noted. AnmaFinotera (talk) 17:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Collectonian, why are you overlinking the following: Viz Media, Weekly Shonen Jump, manga, Japan, Shueisha, tankōbon, Anime News Network, and others? I'd like to do what Sano's page is doing: one link in the article context, and one in "References". Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:08, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Because it is not overlinking in references. Not a single FA/FL has brought up any problems with "overlinking" in the references. It should be linked each time in the reference. Within the article, the first mention in the lead, and the first mention in its section is an appropriate amount of linking as well. AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:40, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I would like to see some FA/FL samples, as I still don't agree with you, and the guideline supports me. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well let's see...all of mine: List of Trinity Blood episodes, List of Meerkat Manor episodes, List of Meerkat Manor meerkats, Meerkat Manor. Or look at the news section of the A?M project, and look at pretty much all of the FLs there from other folks, such as List of Gunslinger Girl episodes, List of Myself ; Yourself episodes, etc. Can also look at our recent GAs, which all use the same. The features and GAs support this, not the guideline. The guideline is dealing with prose, not references. Just as references use ISO dates rather than whatever date format is used in the text, it also uses wikification of publisher/work on all uses not just one. AnmaFinotera (talk) 23:49, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Are you hinting that overlinking in references is fine? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I'm plainly saying that overlinking doesn't apply to references. AnmaFinotera (talk) 01:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I would like to "partially rv" your revision then, keeping the current mulitple sections and many links in references. Understandable? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Not really...I'd also rather you not do an undo. As I mentioned before, my revert included some needed text rewriting as well. AnmaFinotera (talk) 01:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure, I won't use undo. Just want to do here like what I just did to Kenshin's article. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That should be fine. Why use reflist 3 in Kenshin's article? Not a fan of the 3 column myself, and rarely see it used, so curious. AnmaFinotera (talk) 02:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Truth be told, I've been seeing it around more often than I used to for numbers higher than 30. Kinda got into the habit. Think it's wrong? Can't find particular examples ATM. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No idea on the right/wrong. Not one I particularly like myself, and I never use it myself. I haven't seen it in many FAs/FLs, though may just be because most are used to 2. AnmaFinotera (talk) 02:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Plural of 'ninja'
This has probably been discussed somewhere but I'd like to know off the top of someone's head if the plural of 'ninja' in the series is 'ninjas'. I know we have Category:Fictional ninjas but I'm not sure if it qualifies here, as the Naruto case may be different. Thoughts anyone? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...I always thought the plural of ninja was ninja. Both ninja article and good old Merriamm-Webster support this, but also note that in American English ninjas can also be used (case in point 3 Ninjas *evil grin*). AnmaFinotera (talk) 20:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * What should we go here? Actually, what do the English translated series of Naruto use? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:26, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd be inclined to say use what Naruto uses. Someone else will have to answer the question of what that is, though, as I haven't read or watched any of the series. :P AnmaFinotera (talk) 20:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Arc names
Where on earth are these arc names coming from? I can't find them in any official media, and they seem to be a remnant of the WP:OR floating around from the pre-merge times. I noticed this when I was about to fix up List of Naruto episodes (seasons 5-6) for a run at FL status. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 02:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the fansubs? Never did wonder that myself. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * As the title "arc" suggests, they are story arcs. A useful label that comes from watching the show. Hmm. &mdash;davidh.oz.au 04:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's irrelevant. My point is that there's no official name for the story arcs, and I suspect they're merely fan-made names that we're using here. If this is the case, they should be removed wholesale. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 17:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * But don't forget that the English language is not made by "officials" but by all the people on an ongoing basis (it is a living language), so fans have a legitimate input into names ... just a thought. :) Abtract (talk) 17:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Your comparison, aside from making no sense, is irrelevant. We operate by a set of guidelines and policies, and while these may change, we use what we have now, not what they might change into. The arc names violate WP:OR if they are fan-made and removal is appropriate in this case. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 18:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Sephiroth. I've yet to see those names in any official media, and as such they are nothing but WP:OR and do not belong. AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm all for the deletion of these pages. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no pages on them. List of Naruto story arcs was merged a while ago. The only change would be removing them from all the episode lists and all mentions of them throughout the Naruto articles. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 21:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * List of Naruto: Shippūden episodes seems to take the arc names from a japanese website. Maybe asking sby from there we may know the ones of the previous seasons, for example User:Geg seems to have knowledge of that.Tintor2 (talk) 19:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There's a bit of discussion of that on the talk page. Other than that, I feel that the arc titles for Naruto should go, but am unopinionated on Shippūden. And on a side note, there seem to be several examples of concerns about exactly when the season splits are done on the Naruto episode list, though I don't know if they've been addressed since they were raised. — Dino guy  1000  17:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Are there not DVDs with the story arcs yet? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I once remember seeing a discussion on the former story arcs page where a group of editors were deciding what to call the Hidan and Kakuzu arc. Perhaps that could help clear things up about how these arc names showed up. 98.21.138.135 (talk) 21:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Ongoing?
I thought the original Naruto series was over. Does it still say ongoing because of the episodes being shown in the US? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.81.246.105 (talk) 20:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

It refers to the manga.--Tintor2 (talk) 21:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually there are now... 59 more episode(there will be 60 on May 22, 2008). The new series is called Naruto: Shippuuden/The Hurricane Chronicles. It follows a mature Naruto and his peers, and like you should expect, there are new enemies that have begun to emerge just now in episode 58(?). Also there is wikipedia page here that lists all the new Shippuuden episodes, past and present. かぜかおる (talk) 03:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Naruto in Animerica
Viz's Spring 2008 issue of their free Animerica mini-magazine includes two articles on Naruto: a review of the 5th uncut box set (p. 27). and a review of the Rise of a Ninja video game (pgs 32-33). The box set review includes some discussion on the edits done in the broadcast version. The mag is available for free at BestBuy, but I can also scan both articles if someone would like to make use of them. AnmaFinotera (talk) 01:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

hdtv or "upscaled 16:9"
Is Naruto simply "upscaled" as Bleach? I'd love to see that filter, keeping the outlines THAT sharp. --87.168.53.209 (talk) 15:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

This statement makes no sense. Please clarify Dragon queen4ever (talk) 10:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Image
This has always drove we crazy, how come when we finally get a perfect picture of the Japanese cover, we always have to switch it to the crappy English one? The Japan cover was perfect. –  「ＪＵＭＰ ＧＵＲＵ」 @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 15:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, because there's such a huge difference between the two. ~SnapperTo 18:30, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Japanese is more "authentic", English is not. –  「ＪＵＭＰ ＧＵＲＵ」 @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 18:39, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That's flawless reasoning. ~SnapperTo 18:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, let's put it this way. Everyone knows the English cover, it would be more interesting if it was Japanese. –  「ＪＵＭＰ ＧＵＲＵ」 @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 23:59, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I know this might not be to much input, but on the Harry Potter section, they have the british books, His Dark materials also has the british version (actually it has both), Adn so does the Artemis Fowl series. Those are all british books, hence british covers for the page. This is a japanese manga, hence a japanese cover for the page. Dragon queen4ever (talk) 10:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Normally, our preference is for the Japanese cover first. In cases where the cover has been dramatically redesigned in the English release, however, it is more common to use the English cover in the main article. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:26, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Soundtrack
I was turning the soundtrack section into prose, when I found this, is that a soundtrack?Tintor2 (talk) 23:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * According to the description, it's a recording of a Naruto radio show, so I'd say no. --IdLoveOne (talk) 04:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Why?
Why is Naruto being downsized on this site, I think its stupid. Someone please explain. Saimaroimaru 2008 (talk) 13:38, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Because this is an encyclopedia and not a fansite? Only reliably referenced and verifiable real-world notable information about the series belongs here. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I think that might not be what the questioner meant. The reason Narut is being downsized, I believe considering my low knowledge on wikipedia policies, is because Naruto is a fictional series, and does not 'need' pages for minor characters. I don't look up politics on here, but If I am going with my instinct, its the real world events that get the extra pages. Correct? Dragon queen4ever (talk) 10:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Not so much the real world events, but real world aspects. And those also don't get extra pages, in general, but should be covered within the main article, and, as relevant, sublists like a list of episodes or chapters (where its appropriate for it to have such). Plot elements and in-universe content should be kept down to the overall major points. Fansites and places like the Naruto Wikia are where pages for every minor character might be found, but they aren't notable enough for mention here (in general). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * So you're not supposed to go to Wikipedia if you're looking for detailed information on the in-universe elements of a series...? Feebas_factor 18:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No, you're not. Fansites describe that type of detailed in-universe information, Wikipedia describes the overall plot in the context of real-world aspects. — Dino guy  1000  18:16, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

FT?
Possible FT in the works. Mergers that need to take place: So yeah, that's basically it. It would be our crowning achievement of sorts to have a FT on the whole franchise, and would really signal how far we've gone with these articles. After the English run of the anime finishes, then that's another FT with the episode lists, and if we somehow get one of the character articles to FA, then that's another one there also. I know I'm sounding a bit optimistic, but the above is something really feasible that we can accomplish here. Discuss. Sephiroth BCR ( Converse ) 22:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Naruto - currently [[Image:Symbol b class.svg|17px]] - improved to, main article, plenty of GAs on relevant franchises to go off, very feasible with enough effort
 * List of Naruto manga volumes - currently [[Image:LinkFA-star.png]]
 * List of Naruto episodes - meets provisions for an "audited" article, as it's ongoing in English media, needs to be improved to something like List of YuYu Hakusho episodes
 * List of Naruto: Shippūden episodes - meets provisions for an "audited" article, as it's ongoing, needs to be brought up to par, summaries need some trimming and copy-editing
 * List of Naruto video games - currently [[Image:Symbol b class.svg|17px]] - improved to [[Image:LinkFA-star.png]], List of Castlevania titles is a relevant model we can go for
 * List of Naruto characters - currently [[Image:Symbol b class.svg|17px]] - improved to [[Image:LinkFA-star.png]], after we figure out what to do with the minor characters summarization and get a copy-editor, then it can go to WP:FLC
 * Naruto universe - currently [[Image:Symbol start class.svg|17px]] - improved to, the in-universe content in Naruto universe needs to be drastically cut and better summarized, and I think the artbook conception in addition to some reception is enough to push it to GA
 * List of Naruto OVAs --> List of Naruto episodes, there's zero reason to have an article on the OVAs, and it's much better as part of the episode list
 * Jutsu (Naruto) --> Naruto universe, it's not going to assert notability on its own, and I think the in-universe content can be summarized better
 * Naruto Collectible Card Game --> Naruto, it's currently a mess, and I don't think it can be feasibly rewritten into a state that could try for GA
 * All the film articles --> Naruto, I would suggest a List of Naruto films, but considering that I want to merge the OVA list, that's a bit hypocritical. Anyhow, none of them assert notability independently, reception for them is sparse or non-existent (maybe except for the first one, and it probably should be merged in any case).


 * About Naruto, isnt a bit overdetailed? It seems to use a fansite as a source.Tintor2 (talk) 23:47, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Is there more conception info about Shikamaru Nara? I would like to take it to GA. It also seems more reception of Jiraiya is appearing now-a-days with the these dvd releases. Should the info be added or we are sure it has to be merged?Tintor2 (talk) 23:47, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look into it. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 04:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Confused....Naruto universe isn't a GA article nor is this article? Or did you mean what we should do to get this to FT? Naruto universe, I firmly believe should be axed all together. Its a glut of excessive plot stuff all mish-mashed together. I agree on the list of needed merges, and I that the films should come here to the main. List of Naruto video games, once cleaned up to the actual sourceable stuff, I think could fit back here in the main, particular as several have their own articles. I'd say let's get it cleaned up first, though, then that can be rediscussed when its shortened, referenced form can be seen. I do think it could be a great featured topic, when finished though. A nice boon to the project *grin* Also, another merge needed...video game template into the main. *doh* --  AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:10, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The "improved to" section is what it should be for a FT to work. In any case, Naruto universe can feasibly be a GA, and I think there's enough reception on it to work (I already know there's enough conception). List of Naruto video games definitely shouldn't be merged, as there's enough games, and the relevant model is List of Castlevania titles. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 04:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * As far as navboxes are concerned, Naruto currently has three (!): Naruto info, Naruto games, and Naruto episodes. In addition, since Naruto just redirected to, I marked it for speedy deletion under criterion G6 (general housekeeping) in preparation for moving there (it's yet to actually be deleted). After that,  and  can be very easily merged (just a matter of adding the season links for the list of episodes to the main template), and  shouldn't be too hard to do (though I'm not 100% sure what to do with the "Crossover games" row...). — Dino  guy  1000  16:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Just finished the template merges. I ended up omitting the "Crossover games" row from because I wasn't sure of the best place to put them, if anyone has any ideas, feel free to put them in there wherever. — Dino  guy  1000  17:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * And what about Naruto season navigation? — Dino guy  1000  17:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, it certainly seems the Naruto editors have high hopes. ^_^ This isn't going to be as easy as Sephiroth is making it out to be, it's actually going to be much harder. First off, I think that our top priority should be the characters articles at the moment. With four of them at GA level, and Naruto and Gaara surely being capable of making that as well, characters are the easiest obstacle at the moment. Shikamaru and Jiraiya, and perhaps Rock Lee, COULD make GA, but it's not as big a possibility as the others were. Tsunade has no potential, merge her into the characters article. When we do the rest of the article can be decided later. Also, I DO have concerns about this: List of minor Naruto characters and List of Naruto villains. What to do with them? Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk) 20:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm just a fan of the show, but I thought I would toss in some positive energy and encouragement. The naruto pages are a help, and I looked through them when I watched the show the first time. Obviously the naruto wiki can get away with some things that pages on wikipedia can't, since it is a fansite, not intended as an authoritative encyclopedic entry. Keep up the good work! Eawonder (talk) 23:07, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Novels
How come it says on the "Novels" section, ther has only been two made? There has been two released in the U.S., although in Japan there has been over 20. Every time i've been to Jump j-Books.co.jp, there has been a new Naruto novel. –  「ＪＵＭＰ ＧＵＲＵ」 @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 23:51, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Holy... I had no idea, the novels that are used in this article are taken from the Shueisha Book Navi page that lists almost everything about the franchise. Maybe you could help us.^_^--Tintor2 (talk) 23:55, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * We'd need a seperate list, I can't remember all of them. Maybe we can find a list on the internet as our source. –  「ＪＵＭＰ ＧＵＲＵ」 @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 00:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No idea where to find them, any idea?--Tintor2 (talk) 00:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Found a few off of Book Navi:

They don't have all of them on Book Navi, of coarse they only have 9 volumes of the series too. –  「ＪＵＭＰ ＧＵＲＵ」 @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 00:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * http://books.shueisha.co.jp/CGI/search/syousai_put.cgi?isbn_cd=4-08-703158-6&mode=1
 * http://books.shueisha.co.jp/CGI/search/syousai_put.cgi?isbn_cd=4-08-703170-5&mode=1
 * http://books.shueisha.co.jp/CGI/search/syousai_put.cgi?isbn_cd=978-4-08-703187-4&mode=1


 * I think they are already mentioned here: "In addition, three tankōbon, each containing ani-manga based one of the first three Naruto movies, have been released by Shueisha.[49][50][51] " Are they really novels?--Tintor2 (talk) 00:34, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It says "Tankōbon / JUMP jBOOKS" at the top of each page. There are novels and there are ani-manga. –  「ＪＵＭＰ ＧＵＲＵ」 @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 00:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, Im kinda confused^_^, what should we do?--Tintor2 (talk) 01:01, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Dunno, i'll ask Masashi Kishimoto what to do.... I can't find the light novels, at my nearest Kinokuniya they don't have J-Books... –  「ＪＵＭＰ ＧＵＲＵ」 @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 01:08, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I can help, I found a list of all the J-Books. –  「ＪＵＭＰ ＧＵＲＵ」 @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 18:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

This merging bullspit has gotten out of hand.
Seriously, what the deuce? All I wanted to do was check Wikipedia really quick to see what the 6th opening theme of this series is and the article with the list of media is gone.

''Thank you for making Wikipedia a better and more informative place guys. Your tireless efforts are truly helping the encyclopedia.'' - Norse Am Legend (talk) 16:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You can check that in the season 6 article.Tintor2 (talk) 17:11, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't you think it's incredibly arbitrary to seperate a simple list of songs up into a dozen different articles? There was absolutely no need to merge the List of Media article into this one, all that's come out of it is this page being even longer and a bunch of information being scattered around or deleted needlessly. It was a horrendous decision from any standpoint. - Norse Am Legend (talk) 17:20, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm looking over the related discussion pages right now and I can't find anything about there being a consensus to do this. It seems Collectonion decided to do this by herself one day. - Norse Am Legend (talk) 17:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Media lists are discouraged by the MoS, and project consensus is that they are to be merged with the main article page, and, when appropriate, split into lists of episodes and/or chapters. Opening and ending themes in particular go on episode lists, and are usually discussed in the lead on those pages. — Dino guy  1000  17:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * There was plenty of consensus from the AfDs of such lists which always end in deletion, and from the project agreeing that such lists are inappropriate splits, and that opening and ending themes are discussed in the episode lists. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That's... absolutely terrible. A consensus actually exists that discourages related, real-world information existing in a single article where it would be quick and easy to reference when needed? I'd argue that logic to my death, but I know for a fact it won't get me anywhere here so instead I'll just facepalm and proceed to use the deleted page's history when I need like a do with so many other articles. - Norse Am Legend (talk) 00:09, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Feel free to also visit the Naruto wikia, as I believe the page was transwikied there. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:39, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Feel free to [vulgar command goes here]. You can be a deletionist crock with the same amount of logic as a houseplant all you want, but don't tell me to go to some horrendous and badly maintained fanwiki just so I can get information you deem too inferior to be seen by thousands of other people. It's truly the most pompus thing a wikiphile can do. - Norse Am Legend (talk) 17:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Feel free to take a hike. Seriously, your incivility is not warranted here or necessary. If you have a complaint, issue in a civil manner or don't bother. If you want the material, then go to the history, take it, and transplant it on the Naruto wikia. You aren't helping your case by throwing a tantrum. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 18:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * And as far as the condition the Naruto Wikia is in, I'm sure they'd welcome your contributions there. My experience with Wikia is that they tend to be horribly understaffed by dedicated editors, which is exactly why they're in such a sorry state. — Dino guy  1000  18:32, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Wikipedia can't have a full article on every character in the world (no matter how cool that would be.) So yes, thats why they make specific wikis so yoou can get the full pages (not that I can ever find a way to get to these wikias) and besides, people come here who are wondering what in heck is the deal about the blonde dude in the orange jumpsuit. Not to find out ever obscure and miniscule fact about every single ninja. So yes, I hate the merging and such alot, but there is some (annoying) truth behind it, even if I disagree with it. On the point of the Naruto Wiki, I have been to the 'Narutopedia' which I believe is the same thing, and I must ask, what is so horrible about its condition?Dragon queen4ever (talk) 10:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * On that note, I have a small proposal - could we add one link to the Naruto Wiki in the external links on this page? After every new series of Naruto merges, the general recommendation to disgruntled editors seems to be that anyone seeking extensive details should head there instead. I don't necessarily disagree with that... but perhaps then it would be a good idea to leave a clear path? I don't think it will crowd the links too much, it is relevant and fairly important, and, as noted above, they could use a little help (of the type that might not always be helpful here). Feebas_factor 05:05, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That's not a bad idea. I know Star Trek and Star Wars articles have links to corresponding Memory Alpha and Wookieepedia articles, it could easily work for the Naruto wikia. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 21:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Not sure on this one, since there is already a DMOZ link there, making any fansite links unnecessary, including Narutopedia, as it should already be on the DMOZ page. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, would it possible for you to explain what you mean by a DMOZ link/page in this context? And why does that make fansite links unnecessary? Feebas_factor 19:56, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * DMOZ = Open Directory. Its a directory of links, which would link to all fansites. Memory Alpha and Wookieepedia are rarer, and notable, wikias which is why they have been given linking exceptions. In general, however, fansites fail WP:EL, and while Narutopedia is a wikia, it is also still a fansite and violates WP:ELNO #12. Memory Alpha and Wookieepedia meet #12 as they are in the Interwiki map. --  AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

yea, but still. that wikia is horrible. I mean, it has so little information, and The information there is so few, and so many spoiler signs are there, it takes forever to find what you need. and norse is half right. naruto articles have been merged so much, it has been going way to far. some of those articles could have helped with creating something useful an the naruto wikia. now they are gone, the wikia has hardly anything to build on. were can we find copy's of these articles? we could really use them. -Tobi4242 (talk) 22:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The merged articles still exist in their respective page history. Simply track down what you're looking for there. ~SnapperTo 23:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Theres a reason the information is history. And its not so people can get information from it. -.-;. Besides, I know ALOT of people out their who don't even know how to /check/ the history. You might as well be saying 'If they want information go to your library and start researching in eighty year old books. Dragon queen4ever (talk) 12:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That's a poor analogy. Regardless, the page histories are for people who want to transfer information elsewhere, not for people who want to look something up. For that they can use the Naruto wikia. ~SnapperTo 17:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Um... I thought others were generally ok with it, but shortly after I added the link the whole section was redone and the link removed. Is it not an appropriate external link? I listed my reasons above, and the article for other series (as noted, Star Wars and Star Trek) have links to their respective wikis as well. Feebas_factor 19:53, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Isn't the whole reason the arguement can't end is because of the fact that everyone seems to agree that the Naruto Wikia is horrible?Dragon queen4ever (talk) 15:08, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * See my note above. The Wikia doesn't meet the EL guidelines. Most wikias/wikis don't. Only a few are considered high enough quality to be on the list of allowed ones. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:14, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, okay wait. You forcefully eject and screw with all the information in these articles, porting it all over to the Naruto Wikia, then have it so people who still want the information can't get it because linking to understaffed Wikias isn't allowed? Rhetorical question. I want to you to look at this fact long and hard and then respond with your thoughts on the matter. - Norse Am Legend (talk) 04:27, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't port it, others did. The articles were brought in line with WIKIPEDIA guidelines, not fan desires. Suggesting people transwiki unacceptable stuff to a more appropriate place is allowed, and a frequent suggestion made in deletion discussions. That does NOT mean that a link to that wikia is allowed in the article. Don't blame me because the Naruto Wikia, like most, is still a fansite and can't meet WP:EL. People want to find such info, they will find it without Wikipedia. That's what Google is for. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Honestly, you sound like you work for some super official, bureaucratic agency right now. You're on Wikipedia. You know, the site that got its entire content base off the fans whose "desires" you seem so vehemently opposed to people having. The site that claims itself to be an encyclopedia but will never in a million years be considerered a scholarly source. The site that gets a huge portion of its traffic from people looking up Naruto characters and sex positions. The site where approximately 400 shut-in nerds decide what can or can't be read by the millions of people who access and write content for the site. You're not doing anyone a service here, you're not helping the greater good or changing the world. If you want to do that go work at a real government office instead of what you are doing: wasting countless hours trolling a horrible parody of one like Wikipedia is, greatly annoying a group of anime fans on the Internet and everyone else who wants to easily look up information on an encyclopedia there's a good chance they helped create. Thoughts and actions like these are not what Jim Wales had in mind when he wanted to create a free and comprehensive encyclopedia for the betterment of human knowledge. - Norse Am Legend (talk) 05:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Take your attitude and your rants elsewhere. You're not doing anything constructive with the discussion here. Furthering this topic is nothing more than soapboxing. This discussion is over. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 05:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No one did anything constructive with the discussion from the start. It was just the usual shit of a select two to five users not acknowledging anything they actually have to think about, and opting instead to cite precedents they set themselves or policy after nonsensical policy entrenched with barely relevant links and righteous "I will wage a holy war against inferior people who want to read stuff on the internet" attutudes. - Norse Am Legend (talk) 06:00, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * And again, you can take your soapboaxing and ranting elsewhere. If you have an axe to grind, this isn't the place to do it. If you persist in soapboxing, then it will be construed as disruptive editing. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 06:18, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Naruto controversy?
I read a story in which a 11 year old child died being buried in sand as he and his friends were imitating what they saw in Naruto - is this relevant enough to be in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.166.140.94 (talk) 04:24, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * We've all read it. It isn't. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 04:31, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * See Talk:Naruto/Archive 9 -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 04:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * To summarize: There was never any controversy. –Gunslinger47 04:58, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I think the conclusion they reached was that we don't want the Naruto sections to be bogged down with pointless, irrelevant crap. Space is an issue, especially with articles like this and this and every sentence really does count, I guess. I'm rather disappointed, I wanted to honor sandmastah on this page :(  Stardust Dragon  22:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * He has his significance within certain circles, but other wikis are really more appropriate for that kind of coverage. –Gunslinger47 06:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

What is this?
Viz Media Debuts New Naruto Chapter Book Series at 2008 Book Expo America. I think it will help article, but I have no idea what is this.Tintor2 (talk) 13:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Viz is releasing a new series of kids books based on Naruto. It will be a retelling, though, to emphasis "positive kid messages" like cooperation and stuff. Basically an America rewrite of the series just for the 7-10 group. It won't be a manga anymore, or even a comic or animanga, but an illustrated kids books. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:12, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

These things happen, they're doing the same thing to naruto they did to one piece just dont watch the American version anymore.--Amp99 (talk) 20:02, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless I am missing something this has noting to do with the dub (I am assuming that you mean the dub due to the word watch). So the comment seems kind of pointless. --76.71.210.109 (talk) 02:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Firearms
In the space where the article mentions, "Regarding technology Kishimoto said that Naruto would not have any firearms." It should be noted that in Episode 76 (Assassin Under The Moonlight) Yashamaru is telling Gaara what it is like to get hurt, and around 8 minutes 32 seconds she mentions "Like, when a person is shot..." Clearly indicating that there are firearms in the Naruto universe but they are not shown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DFW333 (talk • contribs) 02:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Simply a bad translation choice. The verb used in Japanese for a gunshot can apply to any strike, hit, or attack.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 02:13, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Protected
If the page is gonna be protected, we need some people dedicated to updating the plot every few Fridays. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.97.5.140 (talk) 10:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * No, we don't. Episode by episode updates are strongly discouraged. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Every few fridays is not Episode by Episode. It would cover significant changes that should be made such as one Im trying to add in... —Preceding unsigned comment added by DFW333 (talk • contribs)


 * The article is only meant to summarize the start of the series. Updating the plot "every few Fridays" would extend drastically beyond this goal. ~SnapperTo 03:33, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Character Pages
I see there is already a discussion about this, but my point is a little different. I understand that the general Wikipedia cannot contain information on EVERY character and such, but why do Rock Lee and Shikamaru have their own pages? What allows these characters to have their own page compared to the other members? Also, many shows do have complete character lists with detailed analysis. What if I want to find out why Neji is the way he is, or who characters from fillers are, etc. Just wondering why you cannot have separate character lists when they do exist.Languageleon (talk) 04:58, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Naruto Work Group
I just read that Naruto was a former FA, but isn't anymore so I wondering if anybody was interested in joining a Naruto Work Group. I am going to see if I can create one, because I really think we can make Naruto a FA. Hyakurei (talk) 13:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope, the article was FA candidate, but it failed due to many things. Now, the article it is very improved compared to the last review, but it still needs some fixes to become GA such as expanding reception or other stuff. I think it would be good somebody create to do list to know what to improve.--Tintor2 (talk) 17:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Apparently, there was a Naruto Work Group earlier, but it was deleted due to not doing anything. If we can get users that are interested in updating or editing Naruto articles, or those who already do so, to be interested in a Naruto Work Group, it would be great. I know I am. Now to get more people. Hyakurei (talk) 13:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Possibility of a Live Action Movie
I was reading on Saiyan Island about Viz Media's new branch (Viz Productions) and it said that Viz might be making Naruto, Bleach, Death Note, Inuyasha, and Naoki Urasawa's Monster into live action movies. I don't know how much of a reliable source this is, but was just wondering it someone would put it on the main page for me. I don't know how to cite and am worried that someone will delete it, and I don't know how to cite... Here's the site: http://www.saiyanisland.com/?subaction=showfull&id=1216785870&archive=&start_from=&ucat=10& Moocowsrule (talk) 06:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule


 * It isn't a reliable source, so nothing to add. Its just a rumor on a fansite. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Hidden Ads Removed
Just to bring this to the general attention, I recently found advertisements leading to the following links on this page (as well as other major pages about Naruto):


 * http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/naruto/goods/game.html
 * http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/naruto/goods/game2007.html

These links were hidden and accessible by clicking any part of the right hand side of the page. They also gave the page extra blank length (so scrolling was a nightmare). I've deleted all of these on the major Naruto pages. Should someone find another one on any page (or find these again on the major Naruto pages), please delete them. If you don't know how, post the page here so someone can have them deleted. Thank you.

[NOTE] I added the warning above to the Naruto Uzumaki page. Realizing this should go on the main Naruto page, I went to add this section when I found the same hidden ads. These ads blocked me from clicking the "Edit this page" link. So I repeat, should anyone find these ads, delete them! If you don't know how, post the page here so someone can have them deleted. 98.110.164.162 (talk) 17:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The problem is on whatever computer you're using, not Wikipedia. Run a spyware/adware removal program or something. ~SnapperTo 18:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I tried on another computer before I deleted them all, and they were there. I then tried it on a Mac, and they were there. The ads were on the actual make-up of the page. 98.110.164.162 (talk) 18:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well I can't replicate the problem. Additionally, you were only removing random Japanese characters (ie. ま, Ｌ, etc.) from the articles, not the links. Can your computers render Japanese? ~SnapperTo 18:31, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Weasel words in the character section?
Reads like an add. CBF logging in to edit right now, but if someone could make it more NPOV, that would be appreciated 10:42, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Elaborate. –Gunslinger47 23:10, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Another of my big, dramatic ideas
A lot of which have worked actually :p But anyways, with the good topic process up and running, there are topics that can be made of all good topics (and all lists must be featured). As such, we can push for a Naruto characters good topic, and finally centralize our work on those articles into something tangible. The current state of the topic:

So yeah. Basically we have four characters that need to go to GA, and the antagonists list needs to go to FL (yikes!). The order of difficulty is probably Shikamaru-Lee-Jiraiya-Naruto-antagonists list and is probably the one we should take (although of course, anyone is free to work on anything they want). Anything anyone can find in terms of reception and conception stuff is welcome, and cleaning up the in-universe stuff is always good. Whenever I get time (considering I'm starting school tomorrow), I'll work on copy-editing and fixing up the articles, and hopefully we can get this to fruition. My biggest worry is about the antagonists list, namely reception, so anything anyone can get on that would be greatly appreciated (the antagonists list will require a copy-editor, as it's going through WP:FLC). sephiroth bcr ( converse ) 21:23, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds good, but why is Naruto one of the hardest? The new databook has something about conception of some villains, I ll try to add it later.Tintor2 (talk) 21:42, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I would guess that Naruto is more difficult because, as the main character, he has much more available information to sift through than characters like Shikamaru. ~SnapperTo 23:10, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly. The more information, the harder it is to present it well. sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 02:15, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Just placing a notice here that Rock Lee has been sent to WP:GAN. Also, Naruto Uzumaki is an article being included in Wikipedia 0.7 per here, so bringing it up to GA should be raised a couple notches in priority. sephiroth bcr ( converse ) 23:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

What's With the Merging?
Seriously, this page was better 2 years ago when everybody had individual pages. Merging all characters pages together is stupid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreamlover13 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I completely agree with you on that, especially since some characters have their own pages. Earlier the pages seemed quite detailed too, but now not so much. Yes, I know that minor characters probably don't require a whole page, but at least each Konoha 12, should have their own page, and the sand siblings. And I'm still new at this, but it would hurt to add a List of Characters link or something, because I had to go through other characters' pages to get to the one I was looking for. Hyakurei (talk) 13:20, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This merged version is terrible, and will someone tell me who decided that everything Naruto-related ought to merged like this? Adding to what you guys said, it also is harder to find things now. I'm gonna move for the article to be re-separated, because if we made each page (all 4 of 'em) acceptably detailed, people would begin complaining that they're too long. --IdLoveOne (talk) 21:16, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You can "move" all you want, but considering List of Naruto characters is now a featured list, I seriously doubt you will find any support on it. The merging of all the character articles was a large scale effort and done in compliance with Wikipedia guidelines and policies. If you want individual articles for every little character, google Naruto wikia. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You might be right, but it's all still definitely of inferior quality than it would be if they'd kept things separate (they could've grouped certain characters and related topics without total mergism); that's almost proven by the fact that if you want quality should look for a non-Wikipedia Wiki. --IdLoveOne (talk) 20:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Just depends on your definition of quality. If you want fan-oriented material, then yes, looking off Wikipedia is best. This is the place for brief, summarizing encyclopedic coverage. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I value most things you do for anime and manga on wikipedia collectionian but I think you need to be slightly less prescriptive on the guidelines and policies, its not all about making featured articles, even though it is a worthy cause, after all one of the main policies is 'ignore all rules'. if the articles dont include information that the average person who would search for a list of characters in naruto looking at the page would expect to find, and currently i think the information is a bit scant. But on the other hand agree that its alot better than it was before, you dont need everything that has happened to a character, and think most of these people complaining should be looking somewhere else for their information. A bit off topic but i think it would greatly improve the list if there was a picture of each character next to their name, as this would be perfect for naruto novices, and i know this contradicts the fair use policy slightly, but to be honest i dont think the makers will mind, which is the main reason the policy is there, and at the moment the pictures are hard to tie to the characters for someone who may have only seen a few episodes, and i think this is a case where you can safely 'ignore all rules', especially when individual pictures are used elsewhere on wikipedia and already has fair use.86.131.91.141 (talk) 23:39, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, no I don't need to, and yes, all articles should have the goal of being of high quality. Being content with being substandard is never ideal and calling IAR just to try to make it more fansite like will never fly. Pictures of each character does not contradict the fair use policy "slightly" it blatantly breaks it and it will not be allowed. They would be quickly and rightly removed and deleted. That is not a very negotiable policy and it is not one that you can call IAR on pretty much ever. It and copyright are too of the most stringently enforced policies. The fact that other stuff exists is also not valid. Many of those individual pictures are being removed one by one. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 23:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It wasnt to make it more like a fansite, i wish you wouldnt be so aggressive in youre replys, and i wouldnt add something without consensus. Sheesh youre too used to getting abuse obviously, i was just trying to have a discussion. There is individual pictures of characters on the pages for notable individual characters for instance, cant they then be used anywhere on wikipedia without debating fair use? For other characters the rational for fair use it to minimize legal exposure, and so if no additional exposure is added to wikipedia, and the article is significantly improved then maybe this could be debated? At the moment there is no way for a novice to be able to identify an individual character from the pictures, therefore under youre rational should be deleted completely because its not really notable to the complete newbie? Or maybe something in between could happen, with a picture of each team, or just better notation of character names, im not trying to have a go, just debate a way the article could be improved, since ive noticed a significant flaw?86.131.91.141 (talk) 00:23, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Pretty much, no on individual character images being used away from their articles. Individual images are allowed on individual character articles because they are illustrative of the primary topic of the article (and in those articles, those images should be limited, usually to one image unless there is conceptual art or major changes in appearances throughout the series). Outside of individual articles, character lists are allowed 1-3 group images but individual images are a big no no. In other articles, for the most part, such images are not allowed at all unless accompanied by sourced critical discussion of the image. Many many many discussions have occurred over this issue and it was agreed by large scale consensus that individual character images do not significantly improve any character list and blantantly violate WP:NONFREE and the edicts of the Wikimedia Foundation to reduce the use of non-free images. It was felt that such images were primarily decoration and that a visual image was not necessary to identify characters. If you look at any of the higher quality character lists, you'll see many such images have been removed during their history. Trinity Blood's character list had some 30 images removed. Ditto the Blood+ character list and Tokyo Mew Mew's. Its one of the first things hit on during peer reviews, FA noms, etc. Excessive images. There are some group images in the character list for those wishing to see the major characters, but none are needed on this article. This isn't the primary article about the Naruto characters, the character list is. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:32, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem with identifying people in the images is probably best solved by better captioning. --erachima talk 00:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

First of all merging of all the character articles and other information was not a large scale effort by multiple people. It was started by single individual who, for whatever reason unknown to me, just decided to start deleting information calling it "unnecessary". In time few people followed him which resulted in erosion of the information despite majority of people complaining about it. Please understand this; wikipedia is a web space where human beings come to gain knowledge about their required topics. It is not a play ground for mindless kids who go around deleting important pages. What right does anyone has to say that we are only going to create pages about "this" but not about "that"? None. Kindly bring back all mindlessly deleted pages. There is no page with information that can be regarded as irrelevant. It may not be relevant to you but you can bet there are thousands of people if not more who do find relevant what you don't. Due to people like the one who first started this "merging" Wikipedia has became a place where if you land just in time you might get the info you want before some gecko deletes those pages or removes info. Wikipedia's greatest strength is that it has these tidbits that are at times hard to find elsewhere, it has ALL information there is about the subject in hand and not just some forcing people to go elsewhere to look for the information they need and are looking for. These gunhappy people deleting information calling it "merging" are slowly destroying Wikipedia. You can go teachnical all you want but it is just semantics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.167.6.10 (talk • contribs) 04:55, November 12, 2008


 * Yeah, it is a large scale effort by multiple people. And you are right, it isn't a playground. It isn't a playground for a bunch of fans who want to fill with it a ton of plot and personal opinions about a fictional series. It is for actual encyclopedic coverage of a topic. You want that, go elsewhere. The pages have not been "mindlessly deleted" they were discussed and merged, as is appropriate in compliance with Wikipedia's guidelines and policies (though things people like you like to forget exist, but guess what, tehy DO). Wikipedia's greatest strength is NOT that is has "all information" about a subject at hand. That's total BS. Wikipedia's core policies and guidelines are verifiability, which means reliably sourced information, and notability, meaning its actually worth mentioning. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 14:10, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

"Naruto All Stars"
This a relatively new album, and it features the Japanese cast of Naruto singing some of the theme songs. It has "distance" sung by Junko Takeuchi (Naruto), "R★O★C★K★S" sung by Kazuhiko Inoue (Kakashi), "シナリオ" (Shinario) sung by Noriaki Sugiyama (Sasuke),     "流れ星~Shooting Star~" (Nagareboshi~Shooting Star~) sung by Showtaro Morikubo (Shikamaru), "ユラユラ" (Yura Yura) sung by Chie Nakamura (Sakura), "つぼみ" (Tsubomi) sung by Junko Takeuchi (Naruto), "目覚めろ!野性" (Mezamero! Yasei) sung by Kazuhiko Inoue (Kakashi), "キミモノガタリ" (Kimi Monogatari) by Noriaki Sugiyama (Sasuke), Re:Member by Showtaro Morikubo (Shikamaru) and ピノキオ (Pinokio) by Chie Nakamura (Sakura). Anyways yea. I don't really want to create the info on my own because I'd probably write it horribly...Moocowsrule (talk) 02:09, 14 September 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule


 * Source? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-nu-49-jp-70-2t2a.html is the site I got it from and there are a few videos on YouTube with the songs... Quite frankly I think Showtaro Morikubo ruined Nagareboshi... It just sounds weird... but that's off topic. Anyways it was released like in July so it just hasn't been created. I haven't heard much about it actually. Doesn't seem that popular... I should look at the Oricon charts...Moocowsrule (talk) 01:56, 15 September 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule

remove image
remove the fan image at the botom and change it with a betetr one !!

http://z.about.com/d/manga/1/0/G/1/-/-/AX07_naruto_500.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Admit-the-truth (talk • contribs) 19:21, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No. The image you are suggesting is not a free image. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Movies section
Why is "Movies" the title of the header? Shouldn't it be something like "Animated films", for clarity? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:09, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's sort of obvious from context. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 01:11, 19 November 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule


 * But maybe it should be more specific, since some anime have been adapted to live-action films like Dragon Ball and Death Note.Tintor2 (talk) 01:22, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * True. I guess films would be the correct title. わwa  らra  うu  Smile! 01:50, 19 November 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule

Censorship
there is a image explaining the censorship from Naruto. Could we add it?Tintor2 (talk) 16:01, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

A link to Narutopedia
I'd like to add link to wiki-like site named Narutopedia here. I think that's a good site where all fans can add their articles, to held Wikipedia clean from fan-POV articles (fansites) --MEG (talk) 12:50, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sign your posts please and no. We can not link Wikias here, we've had a discussion about that regarding Gantz not too long ago.  J U M P G U R U   ■ ask ㋐㋜㋗ ■ 21:59, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hope that helps the noobs more!... Of course I ish still a noob T~T Moo   cows   rule 22:12, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * What I mean is that I added a link. Moo   cows   rule 22:17, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You can make interwiki links to the Naruto Wikia by saying Wikia:Naruto:Main Page. –Gunslinger47 16:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Internet streaming
I added description about the announcement of TV Tokyo on the Naruto Shippuden internet streaming service, but the edit was reverted　(I don't know why). Currently the article has description on the new service by VIZ Media, but they will in the service under the agreement by the Japanese TV network, and the source does not explain the three important points; streaming with English subtitles on same day as its Japanese premiere, background why they will start the service, and the one of the Japanese major TV networks will start worldwide internet streaming of anime for the first time. I think we should consider the importance of the decision a little in this case. thanks,--Morio (talk) 06:15, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Woops, I don't think that was intentional, but an attempt at fixing the layout error you had made. Corrected. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 08:16, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * OK. Thank you to improve the layout and wording.--Morio (talk) 04:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

The article mentions the date that tv tokyo will begin streaming as 2005, which is obviously a typo, which I would fix except the article is locked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.52.146.232 (talk • contribs)

The date for the Viz streaming needs to be corrected. Episodes are now being streamed which contradicts the article's January 15. http://naruto.viz.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.229.228 (talk) 11:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Censorship
Please include the censorship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Naruto_Absolute_Perfect.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Admit-the-truth (talk • contribs) 11:31, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Infobox
I don't suppose anyone knows what's up with the order of the infobox components? Beyond being sorted by media type, it seems pretty random. Are there any good reasons not to just sort them all by release date? — Dino guy  1000  19:05, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't suppose a lot of people know this, but starting January 2, 2009, Naruto.com will start streaming Naruto Shippuden on their site. It's going to be for free. Their also going to make Naruto catch up with the manga in Japan. (It's in the February 2009 Shonen Jump) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chachi-chama (talk • contribs) 01:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, we had this stuff months ago. Thanks for the heads-up anyways! ;) (wait, you already got February's SJ? Curses! >_< ) 「 ダイノ ガイ  千 ？！」 05:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * GAH... They haven't even sent me January's D: モー モー ?talk to moo 20:36, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Really? When did you get the last issue? Maybe you should email them or something... 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 19:21, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Anybody with good Japanese?
I could get some pages of the newest Naruto volumes (38 to 42) that contain notes from the author (probably conception of the series). However, it is all in Japanese, and I dont understand anything. Anybody who can help, just tell me and I ll show them the images.Tintor2 (talk) 00:00, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Copy edit suggestions
At the request of Tintor2, here are some copy edit suggestions from an outside view to improve the article's prose.


 * Lead
 * The first mention of the anime adaptation seems tacked on. I would remove it as the next paragraph adequately explains things. "...written and illustrated by Masashi Kishimoto with an anime adaptation ."
 * This is a tricky place to use commas. There should be a comma after "adolescent ninja", but that can be confusing with the others already in there. I would remove the excess adjectives as the lead doesn't really lose anything without them and the sentence would be easier to read. "The plot tells the story of Naruto Uzumaki, a loud, hyperactive, unpredictable, adolescent ninja, who constantly searches for recognition..."
 * I think the mention of "one-shot" can be confusing to a general reader. I understand terminology must and should be included, but I think some clarification would help. Maybe use "one-shot comic" instead.
 * This may not be an issue, but some might get confused by this sentence, specifically the last part. "The manga was first published by Shueisha in 1999 in the 43rd issue of Japan's Weekly Shōnen Jump magazine and it is still being released with forty-four volumes."
 * It might be best to break that part off and clarify things as it's talking about two different forms of publishing: serialized and tankoban.
 * It looks like some words were left out by accident. "...while Naruto: Shippūden, a sequel of the series, began aired its first episode on February 15, 2007 and is still airing."
 * This sentence threw me off at first. I would remove the campaign part as it seems like unnecessary detail for the lead. "...and has also been releasing the volumes with some of them within campaigns ."
 * There are a lot of exact dates in the lead. With the same information in the infobox this seems unnecessary to me. Maybe move some of the dates to the anime section of the article and summarize things in the lead. "The series aired in the United States and Canada in 2005, and later in the United Kingdom and Australia in 2006 and 2007 respectively."
 * Minor trimming, "also" not needed: "However, some of them have also noted the series to have stereotypical..."
 * Since there can only be one Hokage it should say that Naruto wants to become the Hokage "an adolescent ninja who constantly searches for recognition and aspires to become a the Hokage" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkiptum (talk • contribs) 16:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Plot
 * The section starts off weird to me. I would remove the first sentence and expand some of the explanations in the second and third sentence. "Twelve years before the start of the series, the fox Nine-Tailed Demon Fox attacked the ninja village Konohagakure, slaughtering many people. As such In response, the leader of Konohagakure—the Fourth Hokage—sacrificed his own life to seal the demon inside Naruto Uzumaki when he was a newborn."
 * I believe WP:MOS does not use spaces between en dashes or em dashes, I would remove them in the above sentence.
 * Some details seem out of context to me and I think should either be removed or further explained.
 * "...that there was someone besides the Third Hokage who actually cared for and acknowledged him." It was not apparent to me that the Third Hokage cared for Naruto, and it does not mention who this second person is and why they cared for and acknowledged him. If this bloats the section too much, I may be best to remove it as I think it's essential to understanding the plot.
 * "Naruto also confides in other characters that he meets throughout the series as well." It is not mentioned that he confides in characters prior to this, maybe "befriends" would work better. "Also" and "as well" used together are redundant. I would remove one.
 * I assume "Konoha" and "Konohagekure" are the same thing, but this is not established in the prose and I think will confuse readers. I would stick with only one name.
 * Minor trimming: "...including the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox that is sealed inside of Naruto."
 * This sentence does not make sense to me and I'm not sure what will fix that. The highlighted part is the confusing part. "Several ninjas from Konoha, including Team 7, fight against the Akatsuki members  as well as Team 7 search for their teammate Sasuke."


 * Setting
 * This sections seems like it would be a better fit before the "Plot" section as it would help the reader understand the plots elements better. I found myself saying "ah-ha" a few times while reading it and am sure others unfamiliar with the series will as well.
 * If this is moved, be sure to switch the names to full names as they will be the first instances of the names in the article.


 * Production
 * Some tweaking- repetitive use of "author" and this is this first mention of his name outside of the lead: "The author, Masashi Kishimoto , first authored created a one-shot of Naruto in for the August 1997 issue of Akamaru Jump"
 * Trim redundancy: "Despite its high results in the reader poll after getting released ..."
 * Also, what kind of results? Maybe "positive feedback" instead?
 * More trimming. The fact that he revealed isn't as important as what he did: "Kishimoto also revealed that he was originally working on Karakuri for the Hop Step Award when, unsatisfied by the rough drafts, he decided to work on something different instead, which later formed into Naruto."
 * This part confused me a bit, was this for the original one-shot or for the actual series?
 * Same thing with the interview, just state how he feels about the series and paraphrase the quote. " When an interviewer asked Kishimoto if he had any message for his Anglophone audience, Kishimoto said "I feel sometimes has expressed concerns that the use of chakras and hand signs makes Naruto is too Japanese, with all the chakra and hand signs, but as you read it you'll find that it's fun still believes it to be an enjoyable read. "
 * Also, is "Anglophone" a word? :-p
 * More redundancy: "When drawing the characters, Kishimoto consistenly follows a five-step process that he consistently follows ..."
 * The third paragraph uses a lot of quoted phrases. I would paraphrase them as it breaks the flow of the sentences.


 * Manga
 * This just sounds better to me: "...after a two and a half year time jump gap ."
 * More trimming and proper verb tense: " In order t T o compensate for the gap between the Japanese and English adaptations of the manga, Viz announced implemented its "Naruto Nation" campaign, where it would release d three..."
 * I would paraphrase the quote from Cammie Allen.


 * Anime series (Naruto)
 * Minor trim. Even if they are still broadcasting and distributing the series, has is redundant in this case: "Viz has licensed the anime series for..."
 * If this is the first use of "UK", it is best to write it out completely. If it appears later in the article, include the abbreviation in parenthesis. "United Kingdom (UK)".
 * Rearrange for better flow and understanding of sentence: " Beginning on March 28, 2006, Viz released T t he DVD series is being released by Viz beginning March 28, 2006 on DVD.
 * This seems like trivial detail, but if you're going to keep it I'd reword the latter half: "While the first 26 volumes contain four episodes, since volume 27 each DVD volumes ha s ve five episodes."
 * Minor tweak. The "even" part gives undue weight to the blood and death. To trim things I would change "even blood and death" to "violence", but here's an alternative: "...references to alcohol, Japanese culture, sexual innuendo, and even the appearance of blood and death..."
 * Grammar tweak: "...Jetix's more strict er censoring..."


 * Shippuden
 * Minor trim. The "some more than others" seems like a minor detail. I would either cut it or break it with an em dash. "All of Naruto's classmates have matured and improved in the ranks, — some more than others."
 * A citation in the first paragraph would be nice. Citations are not required for non-controversial content, but some editors look for at least one per paragraph.
 * Trim redundancy: "The TV adaptation of Naruto: Shippuden made its debut ed in Japan..."
 * Rather than use "i.e." why not just use what's in the parenthesis instead of international TV? "ABS-CBN is the first international TV network (i.e. TV network outside Japan) to broadcast..."
 * This sentence confused me; have only 40 episodes been aired in Japan as well? Also, "initially" isn't needed here. "ABS-CBN has initially aired the first 40 episodes of Naruto: Shippuden until March 19, 2008 since it is still airing in Japan."
 * Some trimming. Additionally is not needed here because the last sentence was about ABS-CBN's broadcasting, not TV Tokyo's. "Directly" is redundant: " Additionally, b B eginning January 8, 2009, TV Tokyo will begin broadcasting new episodes via internet streaming directly to monthly subscribers."
 * Minor trim. Episodes of the series is understood given the context of the paragraph. "Viz will also begin streaming English subtitled episodes of the series on January 15, 2009..."


 * CDs
 * The album image may not meet fair use policies. Sometimes identification purposes is not enough, especially with the same character featured in the two other images. Maybe find another image that adds something new.
 * Trim redundancy: " All of the music for t T he Naruto soundtracks..."
 * "Called" is used three times in the first paragraph. Maybe switch one out with "titled" for variance.
 * Not a big deal, but I would combine the two sentences to improve flow. That's just me though. Also I believe consisted should be present tense since the CD still consists of it today: div style="padding:2px; background-color:#E6E6FA">"Naruto All Stars was released on July 23, 2008 . This soundtrack, and consist ed s of ten original Naruto songs remixed and sung by characters from the series."


 * OVAs
 * Trim redundancy: "There are a total of four Naruto original..."
 * I don't think "Jump Festa" should be italicized since it is an event, not a TV show, magazine, or other title of a published work.


 * Films
 * The first sentence sounds contradictory. I would trim and tweak it: "The first series has also spawned five films ; while with the first three are situated during the first anime series, and the follow remain ing are from Naruto: Shippūden.
 * I would move the second sentence about the DVD box to the end of the third paragraph. Listing it chronologically improves the flow and makes it easier to understand to me.
 * The fourth paragraph begins with a phrase that's difficult to understand. I'd simplify it by calling it the fourth movie and combine it to the next sentence. "The series sequel's first fourth film was called, Naruto: Shippūden the Movie , and was released on August 4, 2007 . , and chronicles It tells that Naruto 's is assign ed ment to protect the priest Shion who starts having visions of his death."
 * Same thing with the content about the next film. Change the info about it being the second film; having two "second" films in this section can be confusing. I'd also combine the sentences to make them less choppy.


 * Novels
 * Missing verb: "Two Naruto novels, written by Masatoshi Kusakabe, have been published in Japan by Shueisha..."
 * I would try rewriting the second sentence. There are some missing commas, but with comma in the book title, too many commas can confuse a reader and clog up the reading flow. Not sure what would be best way to rewrite it. Splitting the sentence up may be the best course here.


 * Video games
 * "It was not until..." sounds peacockish to me. Maybe try, "The first games released outside Japane were..."
 * The last two sentences seemed a bit out of place to me. Why do these two games deserve mention? Is there another reason besides being the most recent?
 * I would beef up the paragraph by describing some of the gameplay and features of the games. Mention some of the predominant or stand out genres too.


 * Trading card game
 * If the "CCG" abbreviation is only mentioned once, I would remove it all together.
 * "Naruto concept" doesn't make much sense to me, maybe try "Naruto series".
 * I would trim the second paragraph some and combine it with the first. It goes into a bit too much gameplay detail and borders on how-to.
 * Minor trim or tweak. Either move "also" or remove it: "Cards for each set are also made also available in collectible tins..."


 * Art and guidebooks
 * Word tweaking: "...contains illustration o f rom the Part I manga and was..."


 * Reception
 * Minor tweak: "...copies becoming the 9th best-sell er ing comic from Japan..."
 * Grammar and style tweaks. Is there a reason the volumes are not in numerical order? Even if there is, I would probably put them in ascending order if that reason is not given: "Volumes 41, 42, and 44, 41 also ranked within the top 20, but they had smaller sold copies.
 * More minor tweaks: "In total, the manga has sold 4,261,054 copies in Japan during 2008, becoming 2nd best - sell er ing series."
 * Trim redundancy. There aren't any other characters so it's understood at this point: "...became the first manga to ever win a Quill Award..."
 * Grammar tweak, verb tense agreement ("combinations"). Also using "good" twice in one sentence is repetitive, try a synonym: "...Kishimoto manages to make a  good  combination s of fighting scenes, comedy and  good  artwork."
 * I'd wikilink Anime Network.
 * Trim redundancy: "...praised the designs of the series characters..."
 * Missing word: "He also noted how even the 'goofiest looking character'..."
 * This sentence has a couple of issues: "However, he noted that since in some volumes there are several fights, the plot is not able to be developed although he praised how each of them were emotional."
 * Using "however" and "although" in one sentence is over usage of this type of word. It switches the flow in opposite directions twice. I'd split up the two ideas into separate sentences.
 * I think splitting up the sentence will better clarify the last part. I assume it means the plot was emotional, but I'm not sure.
 * "He" is over used as well, particularly because the previous sentence started with "he" too. I'd switch the first "he" of this sentence to "Kimlinger" to reduce the repetitive.
 * Clarify. Is this another "Anime Network" review? "The start of Part II has been praised in another review by Casey Brienza..."
 * Tweaking. "Well" instead of "good", and move a word. "She noted how good were well the characters were developed..."
 * Missing word, verb tense agreement, and same repetitiveness as above. Switch out one of the "she"'s with "Brienza": " She Brienza also praise s d the balance between font color="#CC0000">the plot and action scenes..."
 * Tweaking, trimming, and spelling: "However, the Viz's translations made by Viz were criticized for being "inconsis t ent" due to the change of some Japanese terms to English, and while other words that were left intact."
 * I'd given a date of some kind to help give context: "In TV Asahi's latest top 100 Anime Ranking..."
 * Just clarifying, "from" or "in"? "Naruto Shippuden has ranked several times as one of most watched series  from  Japan."
 * Some tweaking to clarify and use a more professional tone: " M The m usic has also been noted to be very a good match with the fighting scenes, though it sometimes bothers interferes with the dialogue s from the characters ."
 * Same as above: "Active Anime praised the fights, stating they were to each of them exciting since the characters also had important reasons to win as well as the comed y ic that sometimes occur within them, although they still were deadly ."
 * Who is "they" that has criticized them? Also, is it the fights which break from the stereotype or something else? Clarify: "The series has also been criticized for dragging the long fights, but  they  also noted that most of them break the 'stereotypical shōnen concepts . ' . "
 * Tweaking for spelling and a more professional tone: "The sound s tracks have been commented to be worth listening as iy does the job in playing up praised for enhancing the excitement and mood of the storytelling."
 * I would move this sentence after the content about the music to group concepts together.
 * Miner speeling eroors: "Al h t h ough Christina Carpenter fron of T.H.E.M. Anime Reviews..."

I hope you forgive the partial review, but time has not been my friend lately. I'll finish the rest at another time. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC))
 * Part two of the review. Sorry for the long time between reviews. Hopefully I'll finish it up this week. (Guyinblack25 talk 18:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC))
 * Part three. Hope it helps.
 * It was an interesting read, and now I know why my friends enjoy the series so much. Another series I'm going to have to pick up. (Guyinblack25 talk 23:27, 7 January 2009 (UTC))


 * Anglophone is a word, referring to native English speakers. For this particular circumstance, it'd probably be better to refer to Naruto's "Western audience" rather its "Anglophone audience".    –Gunslinger47 23:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I didnt realize when guyinblack mader this. I think I was in holidats. I ll work in this later. Happy new year.Tintor2 (talk) 14:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries- I haven't had time to finish going through the article, I should have some time next week. And who would've thought anglophone was a real word. Sounds made up. :-p (Guyinblack25 talk 05:36, 1 January 2009 (UTC))
 * Done the changes some days ago.Tintor2 (talk) 18:07, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the CE. Nice work.Tintor2 (talk) 01:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC) -I think Timeskip is better. The fan community uses that term.&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;Battoubro&lt;/font&gt; (talk) 03:47, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * yeah, but it isn't called "naruto timeskip" it is naruto shippuden =-_-= and people think accuarcy is more important —Preceding unsigned comment added by Defender of comic justice (talk • contribs) 04:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

--This much I understand as an anime otaku who lacks a girlfriend. However I was referring to the actual jump in time, not the series itself. The most common term to describe the 2.5 year skip is "The Timeskip." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Battoubro (talk • contribs) 05:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Is it capitalized? Hyakurei (talk) 17:41, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters
A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion or exclusion of episode and character, as well as other fiction articles. Please visit the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction). Ikip (talk) 10:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Video Games Section - Proposed Edits

 * The first sentence in the video game section states that the Naruto games "have appeared on various consoles from Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, and Bandai." However, Bandai doesn't make a video game console. Though Bandai Games holds the distribution rights for the Naruto franchise.
 * The final sentence in the video game section contains several grammar errors, which make its message less understandable.
 * "The first games released outside Japan were the Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen series and the Naruto: Saikyou Ninja Daikesshu series, were released in North America under the titles of Naruto: Clash of Ninja and Naruto: Ninja Council that any Naruto games were officially available outside of Japan ."

Sergeus (talk) 16:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. You are free to edit the article for grammar issues.Tintor2 (talk) 17:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * One small point, one game actually did exist on a Bandai Console. According the the List of Naruto video games article Naruto: Konoha Ninpouchou was release on the WonderSwan Color which was a handhold console made by Bandai. I am not sure if one game would be enough to have Bandai listed but I thought it was worth mentioning. --70.24.180.103 (talk) 19:23, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Good point. I wasn't aware that Bandai had a console in the past, though, considering the brief nature of the video game part of the article, I doubt inclusion of it for the one game would be necessary. (I couldn't edit the Naruto page, because it's semi-protected and I'm new. : I think Bandai could warrant mention on their distribution of most of the Naruto games though.--Sergeus (talk) 22:32, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That also raises the question of whether a handheld gaming system could legitimately be called a "console" (consoles to me are the larger systems - Colecovision, NES, Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox 360, etc.), but that's neither here nor there. =) 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 18:42, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Copy edit suggestions
At the request of Tintor2, here are some copy edit suggestions from an outside view to improve the article's prose.


 * Lead
 * The first mention of the anime adaptation seems tacked on. I would remove it as the next paragraph adequately explains things. "...written and illustrated by Masashi Kishimoto with an anime adaptation ."
 * This is a tricky place to use commas. There should be a comma after "adolescent ninja", but that can be confusing with the others already in there. I would remove the excess adjectives as the lead doesn't really lose anything without them and the sentence would be easier to read. "The plot tells the story of Naruto Uzumaki, a loud, hyperactive, unpredictable, adolescent ninja, who constantly searches for recognition..."
 * I think the mention of "one-shot" can be confusing to a general reader. I understand terminology must and should be included, but I think some clarification would help. Maybe use "one-shot comic" instead.
 * This may not be an issue, but some might get confused by this sentence, specifically the last part. "The manga was first published by Shueisha in 1999 in the 43rd issue of Japan's Weekly Shōnen Jump magazine and it is still being released with forty-four volumes."
 * It might be best to break that part off and clarify things as it's talking about two different forms of publishing: serialized and tankoban.
 * It looks like some words were left out by accident. "...while Naruto: Shippūden, a sequel of the series, began aired its first episode on February 15, 2007 and is still airing."
 * This sentence threw me off at first. I would remove the campaign part as it seems like unnecessary detail for the lead. "...and has also been releasing the volumes with some of them within campaigns ."
 * There are a lot of exact dates in the lead. With the same information in the infobox this seems unnecessary to me. Maybe move some of the dates to the anime section of the article and summarize things in the lead. "The series aired in the United States and Canada in 2005, and later in the United Kingdom and Australia in 2006 and 2007 respectively."
 * Minor trimming, "also" not needed: "However, some of them have also noted the series to have stereotypical..."
 * Since there can only be one Hokage it should say that Naruto wants to become the Hokage "an adolescent ninja who constantly searches for recognition and aspires to become a the Hokage" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkiptum (talk • contribs) 16:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Plot
 * The section starts off weird to me. I would remove the first sentence and expand some of the explanations in the second and third sentence. "Twelve years before the start of the series, the fox Nine-Tailed Demon Fox attacked the ninja village Konohagakure, slaughtering many people. As such In response, the leader of Konohagakure—the Fourth Hokage—sacrificed his own life to seal the demon inside Naruto Uzumaki when he was a newborn."
 * I believe WP:MOS does not use spaces between en dashes or em dashes, I would remove them in the above sentence.
 * Some details seem out of context to me and I think should either be removed or further explained.
 * "...that there was someone besides the Third Hokage who actually cared for and acknowledged him." It was not apparent to me that the Third Hokage cared for Naruto, and it does not mention who this second person is and why they cared for and acknowledged him. If this bloats the section too much, I may be best to remove it as I think it's essential to understanding the plot.
 * "Naruto also confides in other characters that he meets throughout the series as well." It is not mentioned that he confides in characters prior to this, maybe "befriends" would work better. "Also" and "as well" used together are redundant. I would remove one.
 * I assume "Konoha" and "Konohagekure" are the same thing, but this is not established in the prose and I think will confuse readers. I would stick with only one name.
 * Minor trimming: "...including the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox that is sealed inside of Naruto."
 * This sentence does not make sense to me and I'm not sure what will fix that. The highlighted part is the confusing part. "Several ninjas from Konoha, including Team 7, fight against the Akatsuki members  as well as Team 7 search for their teammate Sasuke."


 * Setting
 * This sections seems like it would be a better fit before the "Plot" section as it would help the reader understand the plots elements better. I found myself saying "ah-ha" a few times while reading it and am sure others unfamiliar with the series will as well.
 * If this is moved, be sure to switch the names to full names as they will be the first instances of the names in the article.


 * Production
 * Some tweaking- repetitive use of "author" and this is this first mention of his name outside of the lead: "The author, Masashi Kishimoto , first authored created a one-shot of Naruto in for the August 1997 issue of Akamaru Jump"
 * Trim redundancy: "Despite its high results in the reader poll after getting released ..."
 * Also, what kind of results? Maybe "positive feedback" instead?
 * More trimming. The fact that he revealed isn't as important as what he did: "Kishimoto also revealed that he was originally working on Karakuri for the Hop Step Award when, unsatisfied by the rough drafts, he decided to work on something different instead, which later formed into Naruto."
 * This part confused me a bit, was this for the original one-shot or for the actual series?
 * Same thing with the interview, just state how he feels about the series and paraphrase the quote. " When an interviewer asked Kishimoto if he had any message for his Anglophone audience, Kishimoto said "I feel sometimes has expressed concerns that the use of chakras and hand signs makes Naruto is too Japanese, with all the chakra and hand signs, but as you read it you'll find that it's fun still believes it to be an enjoyable read. "
 * Also, is "Anglophone" a word? :-p
 * More redundancy: "When drawing the characters, Kishimoto consistenly follows a five-step process that he consistently follows ..."
 * The third paragraph uses a lot of quoted phrases. I would paraphrase them as it breaks the flow of the sentences.


 * Manga
 * This just sounds better to me: "...after a two and a half year time jump gap ."
 * More trimming and proper verb tense: " In order t T o compensate for the gap between the Japanese and English adaptations of the manga, Viz announced implemented its "Naruto Nation" campaign, where it would release d three..."
 * I would paraphrase the quote from Cammie Allen.


 * Anime series (Naruto)
 * Minor trim. Even if they are still broadcasting and distributing the series, has is redundant in this case: "Viz has licensed the anime series for..."
 * If this is the first use of "UK", it is best to write it out completely. If it appears later in the article, include the abbreviation in parenthesis. "United Kingdom (UK)".
 * Rearrange for better flow and understanding of sentence: " Beginning on March 28, 2006, Viz released T t he DVD series is being released by Viz beginning March 28, 2006 on DVD.
 * This seems like trivial detail, but if you're going to keep it I'd reword the latter half: "While the first 26 volumes contain four episodes, since volume 27 each DVD volumes ha s ve five episodes."
 * Minor tweak. The "even" part gives undue weight to the blood and death. To trim things I would change "even blood and death" to "violence", but here's an alternative: "...references to alcohol, Japanese culture, sexual innuendo, and even the appearance of blood and death..."
 * Grammar tweak: "...Jetix's more strict er censoring..."


 * Shippuden
 * Minor trim. The "some more than others" seems like a minor detail. I would either cut it or break it with an em dash. "All of Naruto's classmates have matured and improved in the ranks, — some more than others."
 * A citation in the first paragraph would be nice. Citations are not required for non-controversial content, but some editors look for at least one per paragraph.
 * Trim redundancy: "The TV adaptation of Naruto: Shippuden made its debut ed in Japan..."
 * Rather than use "i.e." why not just use what's in the parenthesis instead of international TV? "ABS-CBN is the first international TV network (i.e. TV network outside Japan) to broadcast..."
 * This sentence confused me; have only 40 episodes been aired in Japan as well? Also, "initially" isn't needed here. "ABS-CBN has initially aired the first 40 episodes of Naruto: Shippuden until March 19, 2008 since it is still airing in Japan."
 * Some trimming. Additionally is not needed here because the last sentence was about ABS-CBN's broadcasting, not TV Tokyo's. "Directly" is redundant: " Additionally, b B eginning January 8, 2009, TV Tokyo will begin broadcasting new episodes via internet streaming directly to monthly subscribers."
 * Minor trim. Episodes of the series is understood given the context of the paragraph. "Viz will also begin streaming English subtitled episodes of the series on January 15, 2009..."


 * CDs
 * The album image may not meet fair use policies. Sometimes identification purposes is not enough, especially with the same character featured in the two other images. Maybe find another image that adds something new.
 * Trim redundancy: " All of the music for t T he Naruto soundtracks..."
 * "Called" is used three times in the first paragraph. Maybe switch one out with "titled" for variance.
 * Not a big deal, but I would combine the two sentences to improve flow. That's just me though. Also I believe consisted should be present tense since the CD still consists of it today: div style="padding:2px; background-color:#E6E6FA">"Naruto All Stars was released on July 23, 2008 . This soundtrack, and consist ed s of ten original Naruto songs remixed and sung by characters from the series."


 * OVAs
 * Trim redundancy: "There are a total of four Naruto original..."
 * I don't think "Jump Festa" should be italicized since it is an event, not a TV show, magazine, or other title of a published work.


 * Films
 * The first sentence sounds contradictory. I would trim and tweak it: "The first series has also spawned five films ; while with the first three are situated during the first anime series, and the follow remain ing are from Naruto: Shippūden.
 * I would move the second sentence about the DVD box to the end of the third paragraph. Listing it chronologically improves the flow and makes it easier to understand to me.
 * The fourth paragraph begins with a phrase that's difficult to understand. I'd simplify it by calling it the fourth movie and combine it to the next sentence. "The series sequel's first fourth film was called, Naruto: Shippūden the Movie , and was released on August 4, 2007 . , and chronicles It tells that Naruto 's is assign ed ment to protect the priest Shion who starts having visions of his death."
 * Same thing with the content about the next film. Change the info about it being the second film; having two "second" films in this section can be confusing. I'd also combine the sentences to make them less choppy.


 * Novels
 * Missing verb: "Two Naruto novels, written by Masatoshi Kusakabe, have been published in Japan by Shueisha..."
 * I would try rewriting the second sentence. There are some missing commas, but with comma in the book title, too many commas can confuse a reader and clog up the reading flow. Not sure what would be best way to rewrite it. Splitting the sentence up may be the best course here.


 * Video games
 * "It was not until..." sounds peacockish to me. Maybe try, "The first games released outside Japane were..."
 * The last two sentences seemed a bit out of place to me. Why do these two games deserve mention? Is there another reason besides being the most recent?
 * I would beef up the paragraph by describing some of the gameplay and features of the games. Mention some of the predominant or stand out genres too.


 * Trading card game
 * If the "CCG" abbreviation is only mentioned once, I would remove it all together.
 * "Naruto concept" doesn't make much sense to me, maybe try "Naruto series".
 * I would trim the second paragraph some and combine it with the first. It goes into a bit too much gameplay detail and borders on how-to.
 * Minor trim or tweak. Either move "also" or remove it: "Cards for each set are also made also available in collectible tins..."


 * Art and guidebooks
 * Word tweaking: "...contains illustration o f rom the Part I manga and was..."


 * Reception
 * Minor tweak: "...copies becoming the 9th best-sell er ing comic from Japan..."
 * Grammar and style tweaks. Is there a reason the volumes are not in numerical order? Even if there is, I would probably put them in ascending order if that reason is not given: "Volumes 41, 42, and 44, 41 also ranked within the top 20, but they had smaller sold copies.
 * More minor tweaks: "In total, the manga has sold 4,261,054 copies in Japan during 2008, becoming 2nd best - sell er ing series."
 * Trim redundancy. There aren't any other characters so it's understood at this point: "...became the first manga to ever win a Quill Award..."
 * Grammar tweak, verb tense agreement ("combinations"). Also using "good" twice in one sentence is repetitive, try a synonym: "...Kishimoto manages to make a  good  combination s of fighting scenes, comedy and  good  artwork."
 * I'd wikilink Anime Network.
 * Trim redundancy: "...praised the designs of the series characters..."
 * Missing word: "He also noted how even the 'goofiest looking character'..."
 * This sentence has a couple of issues: "However, he noted that since in some volumes there are several fights, the plot is not able to be developed although he praised how each of them were emotional."
 * Using "however" and "although" in one sentence is over usage of this type of word. It switches the flow in opposite directions twice. I'd split up the two ideas into separate sentences.
 * I think splitting up the sentence will better clarify the last part. I assume it means the plot was emotional, but I'm not sure.
 * "He" is over used as well, particularly because the previous sentence started with "he" too. I'd switch the first "he" of this sentence to "Kimlinger" to reduce the repetitive.
 * Clarify. Is this another "Anime Network" review? "The start of Part II has been praised in another review by Casey Brienza..."
 * Tweaking. "Well" instead of "good", and move a word. "She noted how good were well the characters were developed..."
 * Missing word, verb tense agreement, and same repetitiveness as above. Switch out one of the "she"'s with "Brienza": " She Brienza also praise s d the balance between font color="#CC0000">the plot and action scenes..."
 * Tweaking, trimming, and spelling: "However, the Viz's translations made by Viz were criticized for being "inconsis t ent" due to the change of some Japanese terms to English, and while other words that were left intact."
 * I'd given a date of some kind to help give context: "In TV Asahi's latest top 100 Anime Ranking..."
 * Just clarifying, "from" or "in"? "Naruto Shippuden has ranked several times as one of most watched series  from  Japan."
 * Some tweaking to clarify and use a more professional tone: " M The m usic has also been noted to be very a good match with the fighting scenes, though it sometimes bothers interferes with the dialogue s from the characters ."
 * Same as above: "Active Anime praised the fights, stating they were to each of them exciting since the characters also had important reasons to win as well as the comed y ic that sometimes occur within them, although they still were deadly ."
 * Who is "they" that has criticized them? Also, is it the fights which break from the stereotype or something else? Clarify: "The series has also been criticized for dragging the long fights, but  they  also noted that most of them break the 'stereotypical shōnen concepts . ' . "
 * Tweaking for spelling and a more professional tone: "The sound s tracks have been commented to be worth listening as iy does the job in playing up praised for enhancing the excitement and mood of the storytelling."
 * I would move this sentence after the content about the music to group concepts together.
 * Miner speeling eroors: "Al h t h ough Christina Carpenter fron of T.H.E.M. Anime Reviews..."

I hope you forgive the partial review, but time has not been my friend lately. I'll finish the rest at another time. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC))
 * Part two of the review. Sorry for the long time between reviews. Hopefully I'll finish it up this week. (Guyinblack25 talk 18:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC))
 * Part three. Hope it helps.
 * It was an interesting read, and now I know why my friends enjoy the series so much. Another series I'm going to have to pick up. (Guyinblack25 talk 23:27, 7 January 2009 (UTC))


 * Anglophone is a word, referring to native English speakers. For this particular circumstance, it'd probably be better to refer to Naruto's "Western audience" rather its "Anglophone audience".    –Gunslinger47 23:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I didnt realize when guyinblack mader this. I think I was in holidats. I ll work in this later. Happy new year.Tintor2 (talk) 14:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries- I haven't had time to finish going through the article, I should have some time next week. And who would've thought anglophone was a real word. Sounds made up. :-p (Guyinblack25 talk 05:36, 1 January 2009 (UTC))
 * Done the changes some days ago.Tintor2 (talk) 18:07, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the CE. Nice work.Tintor2 (talk) 01:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC) -I think Timeskip is better. The fan community uses that term.&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;Battoubro&lt;/font&gt; (talk) 03:47, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * yeah, but it isn't called "naruto timeskip" it is naruto shippuden =-_-= and people think accuarcy is more important —Preceding unsigned comment added by Defender of comic justice (talk • contribs) 04:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

--This much I understand as an anime otaku who lacks a girlfriend. However I was referring to the actual jump in time, not the series itself. The most common term to describe the 2.5 year skip is "The Timeskip." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Battoubro (talk • contribs) 05:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Is it capitalized? Hyakurei (talk) 17:41, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters
A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion or exclusion of episode and character, as well as other fiction articles. Please visit the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction). Ikip (talk) 10:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Video Games Section - Proposed Edits

 * The first sentence in the video game section states that the Naruto games "have appeared on various consoles from Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, and Bandai." However, Bandai doesn't make a video game console. Though Bandai Games holds the distribution rights for the Naruto franchise.
 * The final sentence in the video game section contains several grammar errors, which make its message less understandable.
 * "The first games released outside Japan were the Naruto: Gekitou Ninja Taisen series and the Naruto: Saikyou Ninja Daikesshu series, were released in North America under the titles of Naruto: Clash of Ninja and Naruto: Ninja Council that any Naruto games were officially available outside of Japan ."

Sergeus (talk) 16:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. You are free to edit the article for grammar issues.Tintor2 (talk) 17:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * One small point, one game actually did exist on a Bandai Console. According the the List of Naruto video games article Naruto: Konoha Ninpouchou was release on the WonderSwan Color which was a handhold console made by Bandai. I am not sure if one game would be enough to have Bandai listed but I thought it was worth mentioning. --70.24.180.103 (talk) 19:23, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Good point. I wasn't aware that Bandai had a console in the past, though, considering the brief nature of the video game part of the article, I doubt inclusion of it for the one game would be necessary. (I couldn't edit the Naruto page, because it's semi-protected and I'm new. : I think Bandai could warrant mention on their distribution of most of the Naruto games though.--Sergeus (talk) 22:32, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That also raises the question of whether a handheld gaming system could legitimately be called a "console" (consoles to me are the larger systems - Colecovision, NES, Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox 360, etc.), but that's neither here nor there. =) 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 18:42, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

More Photos?
What's the consensus on adding a few more, tasteful photos? Ordinarily, I'm the one adding the gallery tag and trying to get photos removed, but we have a good sized article that in my opinion could easily accept a few more pictures. --Pstanton (talk) 23:14, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

agreed and maby a pic of the author/creator of naruto —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.66.221.210 (talk) 17:04, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed Date?
Is there any confirmed date for which Naruto Shippuden will be released in full English Dub? Is there any true site that has the information on it that I can contribute to this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kagemaru16 (talk • contribs) 22:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

editsemiprotected
editsemiprotected There is an error about Naruto, volume 11 receiving the Quill Award in 2006. Naruto, volume 7 received the award. Source: Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Overlord of Knowledge (talk • contribs) 02:42, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see the problem; the article states that it's volume 7: "The seventh volume of Viz's release became the first manga win a Quill Award when it claimed the award for "Best Graphic Novel" in 2006." 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 20:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Subbing and new websites to watch Naruto on
I think adding "VIZ online" will make a good contribution to this page because it allows people in the United States to watch Naruto a couple days after it is aired from Japan. The website is free and is subbed fairly well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khanhngo (talk • contribs) 02:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Crunchyroll is the only site to simulcast Naruto online currently, at least in the US. 

— Alwang (talk) 01:58, 18 April 2009 (UTC)alwang

Names
Shouldn't the names be Uzumaki Naruto, Uchiha Sasuke, Haruno Sakura etc ? I mean Last Name followed by First Name. --kris (talk) 22:36, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, found it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Naruto_Uzumaki#Requested_move_2 --kris (talk) 09:37, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Tv-14?
The new episode is tv-14,according to my guide. "Long Time No See! Long Time No See! Jiraiya Returns!". They're changing it to Adult Swim for Shippuden,right? 98.14.15.12 (talk) 21:29, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't note episode ratings, and "Long Time No See! Jiraiya Returns!" is episode 53, not a new episode (I can't say if that's the episode that actually aired on Saturday, though, having not watched it yet). As for Shippuden airing on Adult Swim, I haven't heard anything like that, and I seriously doubt AS would air Naruto - it's a lot more kiddy than their typical fare (and they've been paring anime down for about a year anyways, no thanks to whiny fans who want more crap like Xavier =P ). 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 18:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Gone on CN?
Is there any news if Cartoon Network is bringing it back on. Since it is not on anymore completely. Nothing on the schedule about it. So what's going with them? Are they just taking it off temporarily for the bring back bash of '09 when they finally announce the US release of Shippuden--Kagemaru the Ninja of the Shadows (talk) 15:33, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No one knows. Viz says they've continued dubbing Naruto, and have started on Shippuden, but they don't have any agreements yet for broadcast dates or channels. There's a bit more detail and a ref in the lead of List of Naruto episodes. 「ダイノ ガイ 千 ？！」(Dinoguy1000) 18:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be surprised if that kid who died in a sandbox had something to do with this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.10.76.164 (talk) 03:15, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I find that to be unlikely. I have not heard any of coverage of the death in months nor any lawsuits etc. As far as I can tell media attention lasted for a few weeks at most. The show also aired for quite some time after the incidient in question. The removal is probabally more related to the end of Toonami and a more general removal of Anime by CN.--70.24.177.158 (talk) 03:24, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think we CN killed Toonami, they killed Naruto and all the other anime shows. I don't exspect to see the show again this year. Maybe never. They should hand over the viewing rights to someone else. The Naruto community wants to hostily take over Cartoon Network at this point. BTW, what incident are you guys talking about? Since it has to do with a sandbox, I bet some little kid was trying to do something Gaara did on the show. The show is rated PG for a reason. 76.182.138.202 (talk) 19:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * . ~SnapperTo 20:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)