Talk:National Association of Teachers in Further and Higher Education

Copied from website?
Without checking, the page as it currently stands reads like a copy and paste job from the association's website. Does anyone who knows much abotu NATFHE want to attempt a less POV page? Timrollpickering 21:30, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well in creating it I tried to avoid just a cut and paste as that would be a copyvio but it was heavily based on the website. I am not sure that means it is particularly POV though. It has a quote about the current industrial action from the employers and most of the rest is clearly factual. Is there a particular part you have a problem with? --NHSavage 21:53, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * This bit on the current industrial action reads odd:


 * Jocelyn Prudence said: "UCEA (Universities and Colleges Employers Association) hopes that Natfhe and AUT will now put any industrial action on hold and seek to engage in constructive dialogue alongside the other unions"'' . There will be a nation-wide strike on Tuesday 7 March 2006, and a marking boycott from that date forward. Lecturers are taking industrial action over issues of pay, and the gap that has grown up over the last 20-30 years between their remuneration and that of other similarly qualified public-sector professionals. Prime Minister Tony Blair promised that a significant percentage of new monies released for universities would be put towards lecturers' pay; so far this has not happened.'


 * It reads more like a news report than anything else and seems a little biased, especially in the citation of Blair directly. The current marking boycott can do with more coverage, maybe here or on a page of its own (as it's in co-ordination with the AUT and they are generating the larger share of the controversy) as it's generating a lot of news coverage in the education press, but this piece doesn't really cover the issues at all. Timrollpickering 22:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you think the text on the AUT page is better: "As of 2006 AUT and NATFHE are in industrial dispute with Universities and Colleges Employers Association (UCEA) over pay. AUT and NATFHE claim that UCEA promised that one third of the extra income from top up fees would be spent on pay [1] and their 2006 pay claim is based on this. UCEAs initial response was "that it is very likely that a significant proportion of the HE sectors new income will be spent on improvements in staff pay and conditions, but that HEIs had never given a commitment".[2]. AUT and NATFHE have both recently voted for strike action and 'action short of a strike' - which is likely to include boycotting setting and marking exams and other coursework.[3]. Jocelyn Prudence said: "UCEA hopes that Natfhe and AUT will now put any industrial action on hold and seek to engage in constructive dialogue alongside the other unions"[4]."--NHSavage 22:10, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * If so I can copy it here although I should update it.--NHSavage 22:10, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

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