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Untitled
This article lacks any info on the various controversial aspects of the NCAA, especially with regard to rules applied to college athletes. As it stands it mentions they are controversial with little details as to why. --Cab88 11:32, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Championship Trophies
Hi, I'm the one who added the info regarding the NCAA's championship trophies. I noticed in this year's NCAA tournament the teams that won trips to the Final Four received bronze plated "Regional Championship" trophies. Is this (2007) the first year they started doing that or did they start that earlier?76.177.174.82 19:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Money and NCAA
Where does the money from advertisements go? It can't be all salary and overhead.

The Student-Athlete Opportunity Fund was created in 2003-04 from the CBS contract with the NCAA. This fund was created strictly for student athlete benefit. The money allocated to each school depended on size and the amount of scholarships created. Each conference was in charge of decided how the money was spent. For more information go to: http://www.ncaa.org/releases/divi/2003042401d1.htm

Division I Conference
The problem with the conferences on this page is that those conferences shown are in Division I, or Division 1. There are totally different conferences in Division II and III.
 * The conferences are listed as Division I conferences. I don't see where the problem is. Masonpatriot 03:37, 4

School name changes
A couple of the conference pages have experienced difficulty lately dealing with school name changes. For instance, edit skirmishes have happened on the Horizon League page about University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, which is rebranding its athletic program as "Milwaukee", and on the Mid-Continent Conference page about Missouri State University, which used to be Southwest Missouri State. Now once a school changes its name, it should be referred to by the new name of course. But what about historically? The entire time Missouri State was in the Mid-Con, it was SW Missouri State, should it be noted as such in the champions table, or should its name be changed to the new name retroactively in all instances? I can live with either, I just want the back-and-forth to end. Craig R. Nielsen 08:52, 30 May
 * In the first instance of the school's name on a page, update the new name, and in parentheses you can follow with: (formerly University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee). Update all other instances to the current name only. Do not apply this change to citations (usually news headlines, titles)
 * There is no reason for any back-and-forth reverts.
 * Including Missouri State University (MSU) in the table requires a citation, anyway.
 * Editors should not be removing the most current, accurate information --they should be adding a linked citation that indicates the name at that time, in the headline, e.g. news link: "Southwest Missouri State New Champs!!" 74.130.149.18 (talk) 16:25, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

College team name changes
Opinions have been expressed recently that the NCAA is being somewhat vexatious in its apparent crusade to eliminate any reference to any of the Politically Correct Mob's poster causes (Native Americans, to name one example) in college mascots or sporting names, no matter how trivial or obviously inoffensive. Example: the College of William and Mary has been forced to remove feathers from its sporting logo, and just barely got to keep the nickname "Tribe" (they were "The Indians" in the 1980s, but this was changed for PC reasons). Does anyone have up to date info on this ridiculous trend, and does it warrant mention on their page?--EDH 13:10, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Probation
We should include information on exactly which sport/s is/are under probation for each Univ. listed. It's not terribly helpful to just know some team that the university sponsors in some sport is under probation.--Velvet elvis81 21:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

This information is out of date in the section that talks about the NCAA having the power to declare players ineligible. It should read as follows The NCAA also has the power to declare players ineligible. In extreme cases, a player can be banned from competing for any NCAA member school. The only known instance's where this has happened was in 1989 and in 2011 to the University of Kentucky basketball program. Eric Manuel was banned after the NCAA ruled he had cheated on a college entrance exam. Enes Kanter was banned from NCAA and declared a pro player for receiving money in excess of his expenses. His ruling is controversial since other players have previously been given the opportunity to pay back money and play after sitting out a number of games. It should be noted that Kanter was originally committed to the University of Washinton where the head of the NCAA Mark Emmert was President at the time.Kfckernel (talk) 01:11, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

University of South Carolina is also currently in probation until 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.56.186.235 (talk) 16:15, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

BCS
The paragraph on the I-A football championship is pretty heavily slanted to an anti-BCS standpoint, in everything from "scare quotes" to (inaccurate) adjectives like "self-proclaimed" to declaring that because it's not an NCAA championship it's therefore unofficial. I'm going to rewrite it for a more even POV. If anyone feels like finding them, some citations for both viewpoints would be a good thing. Binabik80 02:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC) Test — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kfckernel (talk • contribs) 01:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

N-C-two-A?
I've never heard it called this before. Where is this done? Just curious.  Zchris87v  04:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I heard "N-C-2-A" like a month ago. It's used rarely though. -- Howard  the   Duck  12:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Font
Does anyone notice a similarity between the font in the current NCAA logo and the font for the longtime CBS Sports logo? WAVY 10 21:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Founded?
Does anyone know when the NCAA came into existance or have a timeline for how it came to be? The earliest date I see is for the 1st Pres. Jr ss r5 16:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

There's no mention of when the NCAA was founded, or how it's grown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dancon7 (talk • contribs) 13:01, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Reverts
I removed a link to a "self-serving" website. This person may have legitimate grievances with the NCAA, but this is not the place for non-NPOV. Specific criticism with the NCAA could be added if supported by sources, not original work, and are widely held. --AlanK 21:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

While I haven't looked at the 2007 website mentioned as "self-serving", one can make the claim, rationally, that the NCAA's website qualifies as self-serving (almost by definition). Specifically, shouldn't links to the organization's own self-serving description of its history be removed?

Award winners
I have a Greg Patton that claims to have won the NCAA National Men’s Coach of the Year in 1997...Do we have a list of winner's somewhere? Mjquin_id (talk) 19:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

"Coach of the Year" titles are given out by different associations, such as coaching associations or CoSIDA (Collegiate Sports Information Directors of America), not the NCAA. So, he could be correct, but it was not an NCAA award that he received. You would need to find out the sport and contact the coach association for that sport. --Danlthom (talk) 17:21, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Greg Patton was the NCAA Men's Coach of the Year in tennis in 1997. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.101.112 (talk) 00:25, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Categories
Should categories such as Cat:College Golf, and so on Cat:College-insert any sport here- be added? I was reading WP:CAT and over-categorization and I couldn't make a clear judgement. I've added some with hot cat, but I don't want to over do it. Moonraker0022 (talk) 17:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * On that same note, what kind of project tags should this be included in, WikiProject College Basketball? and so on...? Moonraker0022 (talk) 17:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Sports??
I think there should be a list of sports that the NCAA currently fields. I know that they have lots of sports, like football, basketball, baseball, etc, but that organizations such as the NIRA (rodeo) and NCRHA (roller hockey) picks up the slack when the NCAA does not sponsor a sport. It would be an interesting section to include in this article; the sports that are and aren't sponsored by the NCAA. 69.152.220.228 (talk) 20:21, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Annual Budget
In a forum, elsewhere on the Net, there is currently a lively discussion about whether or not the "$5.64 billion (2007–08 budget)" is correct and whether or not this is misleading, due to advertising revenues, etc. Also, the link to the citation for this number is dead. Can anybody check this number and should it be a bit more clearly defined? Rengewwj (talk) 01:32, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Funding?
Maybe I'm missing it completely, but I don't see anywhere in this article that explains where the NCAA is making money. Let alone enough to use in massive grants, can someone add that? TrackZero (talk) 14:00, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

History
The history section should be reviewed. It depends heavily upon the NCAA's self-presentation of its history, which is no longer available at the referenced links. It would be better to cite contemporary reports when such can be found. Many newspapers of the period are available online with no fee, so, for example, March 31, 1906 formation date could be supported by a newspaper reference. The New York Sun, April 2, 1906, page 8 "One Body for College Sport" shows what amount to the association's initial bylaws.

At the very least the references linking to the NCAA website should be updated to point to the new location on the NCAA website. That is, assuming that the information still exists on the website (I've had no luck finding it there). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2610:8:7800:14:20A:95FF:FEC4:244A (talk) 14:30, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Located the reference to NCAA history, at archive.org. The wikipedia history section is almost an exact copy of the NCAA's self-written (arguably self-serving) history. It's no wonder shortcomings like the three antitrust rulings are excluded. This self-written history

But why did the NCAA remove this history from its website? It's not just the result of a website redesign, on-site searching for that text doesn't produce any hits. Is the removal related to recent legal cases? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2610:8:7800:14:20A:95FF:FEC4:244A (talk) 16:26, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Jurisprudence and Criticisms
It is surprising that this page doesn't include a section on the NCAA's long legal history. The association has been found in violation of U.S. antitrust laws three times-- in the TV rights case, in the 1998 coach salary capping case, and the recent O'Bannon ruling (which is under appeal). A fourth antitrust case was settled before the court rendered a decision (the NIT case). These, along with the legal rulings regarding workmen's compensation and unionization, should either be added to the history section or written as a new section.

Some of these issues are mentioned as bullet items in the criticisms section. But that section fails to present an accurate picture of the association's continued court challenges, including both "wins" and "losses". Presentation of such history shouldn't be considered a criticism, but as an accurate depiction of how the association fits into the national framework. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2610:8:7800:14:20A:95FF:FEC4:244A (talk) 14:55, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Presidents
The section on presidents starts with Byers. But the foundation announcement (The New York Sun, April 2, 1906, page 8 "One Body for College Sport") indicates the body had a president at that time.

The section should be altered to indicate that the power of that position was greatly expanded during Byers tenure. If a list of prior presidents can be found, they should be listed. If not, it should at least be mentioned that there were presidents prior to Byers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2610:8:7800:14:20A:95FF:FEC4:244A (talk) 16:40, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Expired Probation's
Is everyone not seeing this? We are clearly into 2015 and Southern Cal and South Carolina along with Central Florida all are shown as their probation ending in 2014? So what Im suggesting is to take them off. 72.15.25.104 (talk) 21:49, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ — Next time, be bold and do it yourself!  Corkythehornetfan  |  Chat?  22:18, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Is there any possible way to the exact dates for UNC at Chapel Hill's, Penn State's, Miami's (Florida), Fontbonne's and Baruch's probation's for when they end? 72.15.25.104 (talk) 22:38, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I was able to find dates for UNC and Miami, however, Penn State I cannot find an exact date for. As for Fontbonne and Baruch, they ended in 2012 & 2013. F&B have been removed.  Corkythehornetfan  |  Chat?  00:00, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

New Probation's
Wichita State baseball team was put on probation about 2 weeks ago for a year, according to espn.com. Also i was thinking that there were other teams that were placed on probation earlier this year but don't see them on here.72.15.25.104 (talk) 00:22, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

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LGBTQ Inclusion Policy
I added this section. It discusses the NCAA's core values of inclusion specifically concerning LGBTQ people involved in intercollegiate athletics. It outlines a bit of the history of the development of this policy, mostly focusing on the Champions of Respect document that the NCAA commissioned in 2012. I also discuss decisions the NCAA has made regarding the commitment to these core values of inclusion. These include the NCAA putting pressure on Indiana the Religious freedom act, pulling championships from North Carolina due to the Public Facilities Privacy and Security Act (HB2), and Texas and Arkansas passing similar bills that may prompt the NCAA to act similarly to their decision over North Carolina. Danamoffat (talk) 20:56, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

The latest edit done to this section contains a non-NPOV concerning the 2021 decision to support transgender athletes. I am not confident in my editing and writing abilities to fix it, but it definitely needs to be fixed.

Team Handball
When I was searching around about team handball. I found a website about the "Southeast Team Handball Conference" which was a NCAA Handball conference (founded 1997, dissolved ca. 2006). I looked for information and created with the information which I found a User Site: User:Malo95/Southeast Team Handball Conference. My question is now if somebody have more information about this conference and which Division the conference was.--Malo95 (talk) 15:36, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

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citations messed up
I noticed this edit (December 2018) added a bunch of wrong citations to the article, and maybe changed or removed good citations. If you look at the last two citations in the "notable court cases" section, neither is about the court cases. One is a paywalled biography of a finance guy and the other is a New York Times poll from 2003 about something unrelated to the 2015 court decision. I haven't looked at the other citations. The editor was here for a student project and hasn't edited since late 2018. Anyway these citations should be checked and re-researched and replaced with good citations. The cited info looks generally accurate so I'm assuming the bad citations were some kind of tool malfunction. Therefore I'm not going to revert any of the article text, but am requesting help fixing the citations and will gradually fix some myself as time and energy allows. 173.228.123.207 (talk) 04:49, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Cartel
Economists say that the NCAA is a cartel. Content about that should be in the article. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:25, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Number of Members
(These statistics are as of the 2021-22 season.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_institutions - 359 members https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_II_institutions - 306 members https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_III_institutions - 438 members They add up to 1,103 - but the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collegiate_Athletic_Association says that there are 1,268. So, which figure should be trusted?128.227.3.28 (talk) 03:18, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Citation needed
The sentence: Hosick, Brutlag, and Sproull in 2012 said, "NCAA members are motivated by the principle that participation in intercollegiate athletics is part of the higher education experience; student-athletes must be students first", needs a citation.Wctrenchard (talk) 17:09, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Orphaned references in National Collegiate Athletic Association
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