Talk:Ned Garver

3rd paragraph
RIP the great Ned Garver, maybe the unluckiest pitcher of them all.

Anyway, 3rd paragraph is
 * Garver remains the only pitcher in modern baseball history (post-1920) to win 20 or more games for a team which lost 100 or more games in the same season, and the only pitcher to do so with a winning record.

Well but if he's the only pitcher to win 20, then of course then (since he had a winning record) he's the only pitcher to win 20 with a winning record. It's redundant. I'm not sure what we're trying to say here: "He's the only pitcher in modern baseball history (post-1920) to win 20 or more games for a team which lost 100 or more games in the same season, and what's more, he even had a winning record" or is it "He's the only pitcher in modern baseball history (post-1920) to win 20 or more games for a team which lost 100 or more games in the same season, and the only pitcher ever -- even going back before 1920 all the way to the start of major league baseball -- to do so with a winning record." It could be clearer. Herostratus (talk) 07:19, 1 March 2017 (UTC)