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Brazil
Articles about elections in Brazil around Wikipedia all clearly state that Brazil has NOTA options in elections.--86.129.139.149 (talk) 00:18, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

2005 - 2007 Topics
I think, "None of the Above" is used in Presidential Elections in Russia. 80.185.152.212 16:31, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Brewster's Millions (1985 film)

Isn't it nonsensical to call someone a "NOTA candidate?". Ralph Nader ran as a Green Party (I think) candidate. If you're on the ballot, you're a candidate. If you're not on the ballot, people can write you in as a (wait for it) write-in candidate.

Ralph Nader happens to be a proponent of NOTA being a binding option on ballots. (See the discussion and footnote at Ralph Nader). Presumably his candidacy was meant to highlight the dissatisfaction that many felt towards the present two-party system. But I don't think it helps anything to coin the phrase "NOTA candidate." Petershank 21:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

--- On the idea of RON, it is often refered to as a RON candidate in the election regulations, especially in multimember elections. in fact if you don't object, i'll edit the main page to say how the surplus for RON is distributed. 82.39.189.3 20:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC) Spuddy345

I Suggest splitting RON from this page. It is a distinct concept in elections and should be discussed in more detail elsewhere. Spuddy345 21:59, 28 December 2006 (UTC) Spuddy345

Reopening negociations is one responce to a NOTA vote, the RON vote just makes this explicit. The other obvious responce is to ignore it, but others are possible137.44.1.200 16:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Book entitled, "None of the Above" by Sy Leon
Adding a reference to this book would help those researching the subject. I just finished reading it, and it's very relevant. Shazazzily (talk) 00:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)Shazazzily

Proposal to split off the RON topic
AGAINST. This topic is an inherent part of NOTA, and without it the NOTA article would be incomplete. Neuralwarp (talk) 14:20, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree and will remove the tag. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 07:53, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Difference from Abstention
I used to be an election official, and races for which a voter did not cast a vote were counted as "undervotes." While they did not affect the outcome of the election, they did scare unopposed incumbents and encouraged potential challengers to run against them in the next election. The only problem was races in which you got to vote for more than one candidate (because more than one were elected at once). If you voted for any number less than the maximum, it also got called an undervote. Bostoner (talk) 04:08, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Nazi Germany (One-party-system parliamentary show elections), East Germany (One-party-system parliamentary show elections), Belarus (presidential election)

 * see entries of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:East_German_elections


 * see entries of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Germany#Elections_in_Nazi_Germany_.28formally_under_the_Weimar_Constitution.29


 * According to the tabulary of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarusian_presidential_election,_2010#Election, it seems in 2010 there was an "against all" option (like in Russia, Ukraine, etc.), but I don't know when it was introduced, if it's still actual, and if it is only at presidential elections or more general also at e.g. parliamentary elections, etc. 62.143.229.223 (talk) 16:47, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

==New Proposal to Split NOTA -- into American and European -- each has a separate history. Otherwise, the NOTA article is overy long. Am editing the America side of NOTA. 99.127.230.217 (talk) 04:42, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

An overview section is needed for context, then links to other articles
The article is too disjointed. I think it would benefit from a broader history section that would give a general overview and then there should be subsections about the procedures in different countries and entities. Those subsections should be short and simple summaries with links to main articles with more detail. There is simply to great a diversity of election systems to lump "none of the above" into one article, and because of this diversity there is little that is shared from the various systems. For instance, how is the Polish experience related to Nevada's? This should be a general, broad, brief introduction to the idea that then points readers onto other more detailed and in-depth articles that are country- or institution-specific. For instance 're-open nominations" can get a paragraph or 3 here but more a more in-depth treatment elsewhere. Same with undervote. --Bruce Hall (talk) 06:02, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Under the section on the NOTA party in the UK is this paragraph "USE OF NOTA

It is a button in the voting machine.It is used when the voter does not want to cast his vote to any of the political party/member. The voter can press the button NOTA.(BY HARISSH S, CPS)"

Given that voting machines with buttons are not used in UK elections this is clearly not an accurate description so please can it be removed or at least clarified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.22.20 (talk) 11:42, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Mexico?
The following article suggests Mexico also allows subitting back ballots:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/11/a-dead-man-wins-election-in-cartel-country.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.129.243.31 (talk) 01:51, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

United States
The United States section needs a bit of work. Cleaned up what I could. Several of the links were bad, or simply looked made up. Replaced with most proper references I could find.

However, I could not find an authoritative reference to the Isla Vista section. It was cited with three false links. SteveJEsposito (talk) 22:39, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

What about 'no award' like the Hugo Awards
Like the title says. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.251.75.106 (talk) 04:13, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

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Merge Above and Beyond Party
The activities and media coverage of this party are limited to the 2015 General Election. The material would be better consolidated here with other NOTA efforts rather than as a separate page relying mainly on the party's own website. I found some more coverage, but not enough to suggest ongoing independent notability:  Fences  &amp;  Windows  18:29, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I would also say it is more than a question of just coverage, more so of votes. I would therefore also support your proposal.-  Adam37   Talk  19:29, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi, this entry is actually very out of date. All indications are that the Above & Beyond Party has disbanded. It's official website no longer exists and its facebook page has not been updated since 2015. That pages posts also reveal, in my view, that they were not a single issue party at all and were most likely using interest in None of the Above in 2015 to promote themselves and a broader political agenda. I personally think they should be removed from this page and the stand alone article either taken down or amended to reflect this. Malmanstan (talk) 13:27, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Malmanstan, the party now being moribund us relevant as it will likely gain no further coverage. The coverage is about the party as a NOTA proponent, so it does belong here. Your interpretation of their Facebook posts as indicating a wider agenda is original research; we have to rely on what independent reliable sources said about the party. Fences  &amp;  Windows  21:29, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Klbrain (talk) 14:46, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

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 * Pros and Cons of none of the above voting
 * Why are people not voting, and how can none of the above voting affect that?

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/10/645223716/on-the-sidelines-of-democracy-exploring-why-so-many-americans-dont-vote

https://expmag.com/2019/12/the-voting-innovation-no-ones-talking-about/

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/23/world/ulyanovsk-journal-only-in-russia-none-of-the-above-is-on-ballot-and-wins.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Komalbadesha (talk • contribs) 05:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)