Talk:Norman Lear

Turns out the 2017 image was a cropped image which showed him with other Kennedy Center honorees
This is the full image

I am not at all comfortable with a photo of the Even This I Get To Experience/Just Another Version of You era Norman
On the first page of his autobiography preface, he even praised Charles Lindbergh and didn't bring up how Lindbergh was someone who had some Nazi sympathy. Lindbergh even got a Service Cross of the German Eagle medal from Hermann Goering and once claimed "There is no escaping the fact that men were definitely not created equal...".. The Norman who boosted Lindbergh's kid appeal and who even credited Lindbergh for inspiring his dad to fly to Oklahoma is not comforting to me.Speakfor23 (talk) 00:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Discussion regarding photo
Norman Lear lived 101 years, and so finding a photo in his "prime" is debatable. However I do feel the current photo best represents him as he would be known to many modern readers of Wikipedia. Using a cropped 1975 photo (without his trademark hat) would seem to be a disservice to the quality of the article.

One IP editor however had made repeated claims that Mr. Lear praised Nazis in his autobiography and that the current photo should not be used. Can we please start a discussion, rather than creating an edit war with the photo? 2604:3D09:6A86:F300:7419:4323:970F:D6A4 (talk) 21:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Milowent @Rosewolf88 For your consideration, thank you for your attention. 2604:3D09:6A86:F300:7419:4323:970F:D6A4 (talk) 21:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @ARoseWolf 2604:3D09:6A86:F300:787D:36D5:D807:DA1B (talk) 23:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No, what was claimed was that he praised Charles Lindbergh, who was a Nazi sympathizer. It's in the preface of his autobiography Even This I Get To Experience.Speakfor23 (talk) 11:34, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Please don't claim that I claimed he was praising Nazis when I claimed he was praising a Nazi sympathizer. Lindbergh received a German Eagle Cross from Hermann Goering and made very disturbing comments about the issue of race. I don't feel comfortable with a photo with the Norman who praised Lindbergh.Speakfor23 (talk) 11:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Would like to remind everyone that Wikipedia does not censor based on if something makes you feel uncomfortable, however, I think that, with everything, it should be take into consideration. " I don't feel comfortable with a photo with the Norman who praised Lindbergh." He is still the same Norman in every photo. It is his life, good, bad, ugly, beautiful. We don't have to like things people do. We don't have to agree with their actions but his Song is written and it is the Human Song. For the record, I think the current photo is still best. -- A Rose Wolf  13:00, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Charles Lindbergh was for a time an incredibly celebrated American due to his 1927 flight. Lear's 2015 autobiography mentions in the intro a short mention of flying from 1931.  "It had been only four years since Charles Lindbergh flew thirty-three and a half hours in his single-engine Spirit of St. Louis to get from New York to Paris, and the rare plane that was spotted in the sky had us kids chasing around in the street yelling, “Lindy, Lindy!" So Dad flying to Oklahoma was a big deal."   That is not "praising" Lindbergh at all, it is just citing the historical significance of the flight in the context of his life.   So I see no basis to mention Lindbergh in this article.  As for for the picture, i don't have a preference.  Either the 1975 or 2015 one would be fine.  Copyright laws prevent us from having better pictures on many biographies.--Milowent • hasspoken  14:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * My argument in favor of the recent photo (or photos) is that he is more recognizable in those. I also think the hat is important because he wore that very often and it was a common feature of his public wardrobe, so if an older photo exists with the hat (that is copyright available) I could support that. 2604:3D09:927F:E900:D52B:3DF6:EF5E:582C (talk) 15:50, 10 July 2024 (UTC)