Talk:Northern Bank robbery

Loyalists
That loyalist intelligence comment, sums up very well the reasons why the PIRA were generally blamed dispite a lack of overall evidence. I'm readding the comment, as it is not POV it is not only factual (look at the casualty numbers) and the general opinion it conforms to the articles about the loyalist 'groups'. SCVirus 05:10, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I've added a police source for the assertion that loyalists weren't up to the task; can you find some opinion pieces mocking loyalist bungling? "Many commentators" is one of those dreaded weasel terms. Demiurge 11:21, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Latest developments
Demiurge, thanks for the cleanups - most welcome. I'm trying to ensure the wiki is kept reasonably up to date.

Bank note picture
That picture does seem rather pointless doesn't it? There must be something better than a picture of the banknote to put here. Funny little guy 05:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

British?
There seem to be a few references in the article about the Northern Bank Robber being in Britain ("...biggest bank robbery in British history"). Just to clarify, although Northern Ireland is part of the UK, it is not part of Great Britain, maybe this should be changed? Alex 20:16, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I couldn't find any references to "Britain" in the article as it now stands. The quote you provide as an example doesn't refer to "Britain" either - it refers to a nationality. So, just to clarify, although Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain, it is British and therefore the particular sentence you refer to does not need to be changed. -- Mal 12:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * British Isles (terminology) says "Britain = an informal term for Great Britain (in the political sense) and/or the United Kingdom." -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 20:22, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

The above is patently untrue. Britain can not be used as a term to describe the North of Ireland. It is not an "informal term" rather it is an incorrect term.It is one of many terms regularly used by the unionist community when referring to the six counties and it is as delusional as using ulster or province. No part of Ireland is of britain or is british regardless of the constitutional position. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User: (talk • contribs)


 * Please sign your comments. Britain doesn't describe either the "North of Ireland" nor Northern Ireland. The facts tend to speak for themselves: although Northern Ireland is not part of Britain, it is British. "The North of Ireland" is, by the way, one of those "delusional" terms, as is "the six counties". As for using the name Ulster to apply to the place, you should be reminded that its not only unionists or "the unionist community" that gets things technically wrong (see Saor Uladh for an example). While it is technically incorrect to refer to the UK as "Britain", as that basically exludes islands and Northern Ireland, it remains fact that it is used as a short form. -- Mal 12:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * British is a valid term being used to avoid an unneccesary use of words in what shouldn't be that much of a politically charged article, and one used by multiple media outlets in relation to the robbery -   . Note that this isn't a carte blanche for use in any other article, but I really don't see the problem in this one.  One Night In Hackney 303 15:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Introduction
I think this introduction is rather short. I've extended it, trying to keep an NPOV and avoiding weasal words. Just the sheer scale of the robbery deserves a note, and a brief mention of the massive political controversy surrounding it. martianlostinspace 21:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

And in hindsight, I see that "Lapsed Pacifist" seems to be the culprit who ripped out the previously even longer 2 paragraph introduction. I may/may not revert to this, but Passed Lassafist did not discuss this at any rate. martianlostinspace 21:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Not Bank of England
The haul included £10m of uncirculated Northern Bank sterling banknotes While they do have sterling written on them they are NOT sterling as these notes are not acceptable in the rest of the UK. (They are currency notes, accepted currency not legal tender.) 16:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I always assumed that Northern Irish bank notes were acceptable in the rest of the UK, they just arn't as people rarely see them. Phalanxia 19:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * They ARE Sterling banknotes, but that does not mean that they are universally accepted throughout the sterling zone. -- Arwel (talk) 20:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Notes printed in Northern Ireland ARE Stirling and ARE acceptable in the rest of the UK Dionysus99 11:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Northern Irish notes are legal tender throughout the UK. Many may not accept them as they don't know them, but they are legally acceptable Sterling tender. Ben W Bell   talk  21:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Incorrect. They are 110% not legal tender throughout the UK. One Night In Hackney  303  21:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh no, not the "legal tender" red herring again. "Legal tender" does not mean what most people think it does - read the article for details. Northern Irish notes are not legal tender anywhere, neither are Scottish notes, and Bank of England notes are only legal tender in England and Wales. The acceptability of notes is an issue completely separate from "legal tender". -- Arwel (talk) 01:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

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Alleged coalition collapse never happened
When Gerry Adams denied that the IRA were involved in any way, this caused the Sinn Féin coalition with the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) which was ruling Northern Ireland to collapse (this is referring to the killing in 2015, not the 2005 robbery)

Neither the Belfast Telegraph nor the Irish Times support that assertion. The UUP did withdraw from government and went into opposition, but as that article makes clear in order for the power-sharing government (the coalition referred to in the original sentence) to collapse the DUP would need to withdraw from government too (there can be no government in Northern Ireland without either nationalist or unionist representation). Peter Robinson did later resign (which threatened "to collapse the Northern Ireland assembly for the first time since 2007" as did several other DUP minister (triggering a lengthy in-out farce of resignations and reappointments), but Robinson was replaced by Arlene Foster and the Assembly continued until the 2016 Northern Ireland Assembly election. FDW777 (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing out the error, I've fixed it I hope, see what you think Mujinga (talk) 15:34, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Much improved, although I'd be tempted to expand it slightly as it was a bigger political crisis than just the UUP, as it did involve the DUP first minister resigning. Obviously as it's ten years after the robbery and involving several degrees of separation this article doesn't need to go into the crisis in excruciating detail. FDW777 (talk) 19:22, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Please feel free to add another sentence if you like. It is difficult knowing how much additional information to give in a case like this, since whilst it certainly is worth mentioning (as pointed out by the GA reviewer), having read into it a bit more I'm not sure how much the Davison murder was related to Northern Bank since McGuigan seems to have had a longstanding personal grudge against him. Mujinga (talk) 17:13, 9 December 2020 (UTC)