Talk:O. J. Simpson robbery case

Deletion
I created this page because I see this becoming a huge story pretty soon. The police dont place 6 felony charges just to have them dropped by Wednesday. However, if the charges are dropped on September 19th 2007 in front of judge Zimmerman, then I would agree and delete this page.--Anais1983 21:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Since this page should certainly be preserved, I suggest there needs to be a section with background to the case; I tried to read this but found myself totally bewildered without a context in which to put the information. If this is to be a professional site, it is vital this type of introduction always be included in articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.234.236.56 (talk) 01:47, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Quotes
Since it's come up.. we don't need to invoke some "We can never do quotes" rule. The quotes section bothered me too, because it's not encyclopedic writing. I agree it should be removed. If people can work the quotes into the article coherently, that's fine (but I doubt we need to- there's no shortage of proper news sources on this. We should be careful to avoid anything resembling "investigative reporting"- it's ourside our scope here. Friday (talk) 23:42, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I will try and put the quotes into the article very soon.--Anais1983 02:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I have a strong feeling this case is going to be big. Not as big as the murder case but close to it so I don't think you need to delete this page yet. Also the one of the victims had suffered a heart attack but he is still alive for now plus he reviled that he created offshore accounts for O.J. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.206.89.65 (talk) 19:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Inmate Number?
I noticed that the inmate number listed on this page is misreferenced by another individual on the main OJ Simpson page. Do we have the mug shots posted somewhere to verify who has which inmate number? 14:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC) User:OptimumCoder


 * I agree inmate numbers are same for 2 people? I will look into it.--Anais1983 21:54, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

TMZ a valid source?
Are they? I see them cited here. While the layout is physically "blog style", they do have their own news television show now. Does being laid out blog-style for their formatting invalidate them as a source? • Lawrence Cohen  19:23, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No. TMZ.com was the source of two of the biggest stories of 2006, the Mel Gibson DUI incident and Michael Richards. Plus, they have been the source of other minor stories about celebrities. And yes, they have a TV show now. MrBlondNYC 20:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * "Does being laid out blog-style for their formatting invalidate them as a source?" Man your an idiot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.17.128.75 (talk) 05:23, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Humh, Larry Cohen has called some of my comments "nonsense" @ least once,....

I think that "nonsense" should be applied rarely, &, in a way that does not destroy self-esteem; I contend that "idiot" should be even more rare,...

... for a variety of reasons.

If I am ever similarly nasty, I am sorry.

Let's try to avoid so completely obliterating each other.

I say that w/o claiming true perfection.

Further, he had merely posed a question, here.

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This morning the networks had been struggling w/ what to bleep; maybe this article should be tied-in w/ various  censorship  articles.

Could that be?

Does Orenthal's story sometimes resemble  the Simpsons? Had there been some years when Nicole's condominium had been very near to one of Fox' office-buildings?

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Bundy Dr.? Married with Children?

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This is a valid subject to have on Wikipedia. I am writing a paper on the legal proceedings of this case for my Judicial Process class. The information in the media is confusing and does not paint a clear picture as to what has already occur and what will happen.

As for the preliminary hearing section, Judge Bonaventure decided the case will go to trial. Three of Simpson's co-defendants have testified against him and plead guilty to lesser charges as part of a plea bargain. Cashmore in particular plead guilty to being an accessory to robbery. He testified that as they were leaving the hotel room, Simpson said to his co-conspirators, " 'Gentlemen, we didn't have any guns.'" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.65.177.98 (talk) 05:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

400 jurors
I added this latest on his June 20 hearing: *Court officers and attorneys announced on May 22, 2008, that long questionnaires with at least 115 queries will be given to a jury pool of 400 or more. Prosecutors and defense counsels disagreed on at least 3 questions, and Clark County District Court Judge Jackie Glass scheduled arguments on the June 20 hearing on pretrial motions.Afp.google.com, 400 jurors could be screened for OJ Simpson trial --Florentino floro (talk) 09:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Plea agreements
There should be some section in this article detailing the plea agreements made with several of the co-defeendants. Does anyone have an idea how this could be done? JakeH07 (talk) 03:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)JakeH07

Bot report : Found duplicate references !
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) DumZiBoT (talk) 06:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "CNN_091707" :
 * CNN.com.
 * CNN.com, "Simpson could be charged 'in next few days'", September 17, 2007.

"All-white jury"
Is it really necessary to say that none of the jury were african american right after saying the jury was all-white? This is also obviously very POV to integrate this into the timeline when it could be mentioned in a more relevant section, but i'm sure no one will agree to taking it out. Kellenwright (talk) 07:51, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If we state, as we do, that the jury on the O.J. Simpson murder case was 'mostly African-American', then it seems equally acceptable to note the racial makeup of the jury in this case. Terraxos (talk) 12:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Co-defendant and video?
Who was the co-defendant who spoke to the media on the way to the courthouse, I think it was in January; spoke to the media wearing flashy gold eyeglasses and waving a bible as he walked...His lawyer told him about 5 times to keep his mouth shut (something like "What did I say? Don't talk to the press, he has no comment") but he kept talking anyway about how he was a good Christian... Who was that? Any one know where to find that video? 68.0.119.139 (talk) 08:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Some questions from Germany
Hello guys, I am a German law student and want to know more of the Simpson case. Please be so kind to excuse my bad English, I do my best. If I got it right, Simpson was sentenced although: 1. The stuff he took (let took, however) was HIS, right? 2. Carrying a gun is legal in Las Vegas, right? 3. Furthermore it wasn't forbidden to Simpson to be with someone who carries a gun, right?

It is difficult to understand why he was sentenced because of robbery. If he really was the owner of the stuff he should have been allowed to (at least) arrest the perpetraitors, right? I mean, if someone comes into your house and runs away with stolen goods, you are allowed to arrest the thief, aren't you that in Las Vegas?

I know there might be a law which forbiddes the use of force to someone else, even if he took your goods, but should be a minor law with a little punishment, because it is probably an every day crime. (Like a husband forcing his wife by holding her arm to listen to him for a second or other way around). I think this crime is called coercion in English. And it might be a part of robbery (as it is in Germany), but robbery as a plus of coercion should need something illegal in acquisiton to the taken goods.

It would be interesting to read more why Simpson was sentenced because of robbery and other crimes and not accuitted because of self defense. It think this could be interesting even for American readers. Please be so kind to correct my bad spelling, because I keep a copy of the text and can learn this way a bit more English. Thank you very much in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.182.201.238 (talk) 06:26, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think this is necessarily the best place to discuss this, but... as an American law student, all I can offer is what I've learned, and how I understand it. So, in response to your questions,


 * 1. Whether or not the items in question belonged to O.J. Simpson hasn't been decided. From what I understand, SOME of the items were AT SOME POINT his belongings, which were then stolen from him and sold at auction. Other items never belonged to him, such as a football that a fan had collected from a game, but Simpson felt they were his because of the special meaning they held for him. In any event, even if an item has been stolen from you, American law outlines vigilante action as generally being illegal. If you find that someone has stolen something from you, you cannot just steal it back; you have to go through the appropriate venues (which usually requires a trip to the local police station, the filing of a report, and then an official investigation) in order to receive your property back. What O.J. did, regardless if the items were actually his, was illegal.


 * 2. I don't know Nevada's laws specifically, but again, in the United States, you must apply for and receive a permit to own a firearm, and separately, a permit to carry a firearm. Without a permit, no, you may not carry a firearm. I don't know if Simpson had a permit. Regardless, whether or not he had the appropriate permission to be carrying a firearm does not give him permission to use his firearm to threaten others, or rob them. A firearm that is carried by a citizen may only be used in self-defense; Simpson was obviously not acting in self-defense in this case.


 * So called law student states lies, gun laws in USA are not like that71.219.199.231 (talk) 02:22, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * 3. It has nothing to do with Simpson being with someone who carried a gun. Simpson was found guilty of being the "ringleader" of the group of people who robbed the individual in possession of the items in question. Because he directed others to hold the people in the room hostage, and because he directed that they do so with the use of a firearm, he was charged with armed robbery.


 * Self defense doesn't apply here because Simpson charged the room with force. He was in no immediate danger. Self defense is reserved for individuals who are in immenent danger and have NO OTHER WAY OUT of the situation, or who are trying to protect a family member from immenent danger. Storming a hotel room because someone has items that you *believe* belong to you it not self-defense.


 * I'm not going to argue that it should be a "minor crime," but I will say that I believe the charges accurately fit the crimes that were alleged to have been committed.


 * Perhaps German law is very, very different from American law? WordBounce (talk) 02:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Parole
I am removing this fragment from the article ("parole eligibility in 6 years plus 18 months plus 18 months"), because without explanation the breakdown (9yrs = 6yrs + 18mo + 18mo) does not make much sense in the paragraph, and also because it is not specified in the NYT article cited. Someone could re-insert the info if he can explain what that means. --76.201.140.164 (talk) 09:39, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

How many counts?
Two points in the article say 12/12 counts guilty, one says 10/12 counts.

Article was changed from 12 to 10 in edit: 09:01, 6 December 2008 88.112.192.43 (talk) (20,264 bytes) (→Trial and conviction) (undo)

4 other edits by same anonymous source follow; are they all wrong, or is this a clever vandal hiding bad information with good, or what?

98.222.61.151 (talk) 04:20, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Requested moves

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:37, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

O. J. Simpson Las Vegas robbery case → O. J. Simpson robbery case — It's not necessary to note in the title that the robbery took place in Las Vegas, since according to the Simpson biographical article section on "other legal problems" he doesn't seem to have committed any other robberies. (Unless you consider DirecTV piracy "robbery"). --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 07:02, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It's illegal to steal your own property?
This case sure makes it seem to be. 184.96.214.236 (talk) 19:36, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Stealing is usually illegal, the question is more 'is it stealing to take your property back from a thief'. Of course the question in this case is whether OJ legally transferred the memoribilia to the collector or not. Ranze (talk) 04:52, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Norm MacDonald:
"I just can't believe that O.J. Simpson could commit armed robbery." 72.82.186.121 (talk) 17:22, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

removed "infamous"
In the section "Investigation and trial", in the first paragraph below the list, at the end of the first sentence, this article had "infamous murder trial." The word "infamous" means "having a reputation of the worst kind--notoriously evil" and is a judgement call. "Infamous" has no citation, the one given does not contain the word. It is an unattested, debatable, judgment about the murder trial that seem to be the personal opinion of the Wikipedia author who used it. It meets the Wikipedia definition of a "weasel word", and therefore I removed it. Nick Beeson (talk) 13:45, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

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Needs more detail
This article could use more detail/background about the actual incident. It gets mentioned in the introduction, but there's nothing about it in the body of the article itself, which focuses more on the legal case, and even that's lacking. For example, why was the kidnapping charge valid? (Don't answer here, just add it into the article, please.) — howcheng  {chat} 08:12, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree. We need a section that goes over what exactly happened during the robbery. Thomson200 (talk) 18:33, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The real problem is this reads like a defense brief. It minimizes what Simpson did, emphasizes that everyone else did more and got a lighter sentence, and implies his lawyer screwed him. Someone needs to rewrite this with a more objective tone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FB90:4AEA:B6B5:0:4C:3D9B:9A01 (talk) 07:09, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Missing reference?
There is a (very interesting) claim in this article:-

>>In an interview, Walter Alexander said he thought the whole incident was a setup to get Simpson.

This is followed by a quote:-

>>"understand what the big deal is", or why Riccio would set this whole operation up, tape it and then sell the tape to the media"

However the reference for this section - number 30, a Wayback machine stored article - has plenty of information but is not a source, neither for the Alexander claim nor the quote. Somewhere the reference has got lost, so perhaps this could be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.63.97 (talk) 07:34, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Parole hearing
OJ Simpson may soon be out on parole in the Nevada robbery incident. Nobody at the scheduled July 20, 2017 hearing is expected to oppose releasing him in October, 2017. Simpson, who will appear by videoconference from the Lovelock Correctional Center, will be questioned by four state parole commissioners located in Carson City. Simpson has served 8-years of the original 9-year to 33-year sentence. Let us eat lettuce (talk) 16:07, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

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