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Missing Info[edit]

After several reverts, an edit protection and a discussion for deleting a "list of..." article, consensus is clear to not have a huge table of episodes. For those interested, apparently it's on reddit. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 08:46, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Seems to be missing any info on the episodes of the podcast. 2A01:4B00:E412:D900:A875:413E:3B59:D6A1 (talk) 21:06, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not an episode guide. The information may well be permanently removed because it is not encyclopedic. See WP:3RR for what happens if editing starts to go "back and forth. doktorb _words^deeds 21:57, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can I respectfully ask, if Wikipedia is not an episode guide then why do most, if not all, television programme articles and “List of Episode” articles act as an episode guide with plot, episode title, ratings, air date, any guest stars etc? Where do you draw the line? Are these television articles also not encyclopedic? It doesn’t seem entirely fair that television shows can be held to a different standard to podcasts and other forms of media. 2A02:C7F:5117:5900:F92E:4B8D:F068:138E (talk) 23:40, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Television shows are established as having structure, narrative, and a cast. Podcasts are ephemera, in many ways. You don't need to have a permanent record of a comedy show's punchlines. Most importantly, Wikipedia has an established policy on television and does not yet treat podcasts the same. doktorb _words^deeds 00:46, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

i'd argue that off menu in particular does have a set structure. sure, it doesn't have an overarching narrative, but there are lots of tv shows where you don't need to watch all of them, let alone in order. and in off menu, certain guest's menus are referred back to in later episodes. they're not just punchlines, but often are a journey through a person's life. it's a load of (relevant!) information and deleting it completely off wikipedia seems unproductive. i find your "most importantly" point to be unfair: wikipedia not having a policy on podcasts shouldn't mean that the information should be taken out, and one of wikipedia's five pillars is that no rules are carved into stone anyways! i personally am highly in favor of a "list of episodes" separate page to keep things in order. Hillsyism (talk) 01:34, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Doktorbuk there are literally thousands of pages that are filled with episode guides on Wikipedia, are you going to delete all of them? 2604:3D09:A986:8100:9D54:5C70:278C:FE8B (talk) 20:31, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not set in stone, but there is still WP:NOTPLOT, WP:NOTDIRECTORY and other items of what Wikipedia is WP:NOT.

Wikipedia is written for a general audience, not fans of Off Menu. That Wyatt Cenac ate this and that on that day is only of interest to a very, very small group of people. Wikipedia is not about WP:EVERYTHING.

And lastly, the huge table was WP:PRIMARY sourced. It might show that it happened, it doesn't help with WP:SIGCOV. It's completely out of WP:PROPORTION: the topic is Off Menu, not the listing of episodes.

For a decent inclusion of notable episodes, see WTF with Marc Maron#Notable podcasts: just a handful of noteworthy podcasts, referenced by reliable, independent third-party sources. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 06:19, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is ridiculous, the content which has been removed is genuinely useful and relevant to what the page is about. For reference, here are a few thousand other episode lists you might want to delete to be consistent.

Arbitrarily applying a rule which negatively impacts the utility of wikipedia is of interest to a very, very small group of wikipedia admins. 128.189.119.129 (talk) 20:09, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFF. Please familiarise yourself with Wikipedia guidelines. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 20:31, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The episode list can be found on Reddit. doktorb _words^deeds 05:19, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What?!?!? Restore the episodes. This is information that people consult! MrStoofer (talk) 09:07, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @MrStoofer:, you've been here long enough to know that "information that people consult" is not a reason to keep this trivia. Please see the rest of the arguments above. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 13:25, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Large numbers of podcast include detailed episode breakdowns. These include Revisionist History, Welcome to Night Vale, RHLSTP, Radiolab and The Adam Buxton Podcast to name a few. I also do not think it is trivia specific to the podcast; it is fairly obviously of general interest to know the favourite meals of Hollywood A-listers (such as Taron Egerton, Timothy Spall, Edgar Wright, Martin Freeman), as well as important figures in the world of food (such as Jamie Oliver, Paul Hollywood, Ainsley Harriott, Tom Kerridge). None of these are small names, so it is not simply trivia for a select few. Galanthis (talk) 19:33, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The table can now be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/offmenupodcast/wiki/episodes/ which is arguably a more suitable home. Is it reasonable to link this table in the main article? Natrilix (talk) 22:33, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I still disagree that this is more suitable; a separate List of Episodes page makes more sense. Galanthis (talk) 08:23, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but I don't think it being on a different page changes any of the issues with Wikipedia's guidelines, it just shifts them somewhere else. I don't really want to go to the effort of making the page just to have it removed. This seems like a happy medium of pointing people towards useful information, which they were using the page as a reference for, without hosting the information itself on Wikepdia. Natrilix (talk) 11:29, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Who on earth has deleted all this valuable information about the podcast episodes that fans have put together over years? Clearly some people don't understand that this is PRECISELY why people even visit this Wikipedia page in the first place, all the other info can easily find elsewhere. If you want to make yourself redundant, fine, go ahead. The hypocrisy of these mods is astonishing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:5C2:5E60:6330:460D:8788:AB9E (talk) 20:23, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You should not be undoing other people's edits, On top that that Episode section you added as seen here [1] has to be reliably sourced per WP:RS. Chip3004 (talk) 21:45, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Who on earth has deleted all this valuable information about the podcast episodes that fans have put together over years?

That would be me. Check the history tab to see past revisions of an article. See WP:LONGTIME, doesn't matter it took people years.

Clearly some people don't understand that this is PRECISELY why people even visit this Wikipedia page in the first place, all the other info can easily find elsewhere.

Wikipedia is not the place for this kind of stuff. Feel free to start your own dedicated fanpage though. The internet's a big place. Fun fact: most of the internet doesn't follow Wikipedia's guidelines. Wikipedia does, however.

If you want to make yourself redundant, fine, go ahead.

Thank you, I'm very glad to have your support in this matter. If I ever feel like it, I'll certainly will.

The hypocrisy of these mods is astonishing.

Wikipedia has administrators, or admins, not mods. I'm not one though. Are you sure you know what hypocrisy means? It's not like I'm removing this table while at the same adding massive amounts of trivial episode listings to other podcast articles. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 22:11, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THE GRID WITH EVERYONES MENU?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.193.153.162 (talk) 00:22, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose this is a TL;DR situation, but it's gone. Read the discussion if you want to know why. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 05:29, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's now hosted on Reddit doktorb _words^deeds 07:25, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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