Talk:Official Monster Raving Loony Party

Older comments
In all honesty, the entry itself seems pretty sensible to me.


 * this suggests to me that it needs major revision, then. Has anyone got a list of the OMRLP's various election promises handy? And perhaps references for other national looney parties (I believe Canada had one called the Rhinocerous Party, but they're now defunct due to increased candidacy fees. Will search for references myself later).


 * You can read about it at Rhinoceros Party of Canada, a.k.a. (of course) le Parti rhinoceros du Canada. Kevintoronto 23:33, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Gets me thinking (as I sit here eating lunch from McDonald's) about the possibility of a Hippopotamus Party in France. --Charles A. L. 18:52, Dec 23, 2003 (UTC)

There's some not-so-absurd stuff concealed in their manifestos. Short and to the point: "All third world debt will be cancelled. They're not going to pay anyway. You know that. I know that. Don't deny it".

And in a country where DORA 1918 forced pubs to close in the afternoons for the next 70 years to ensure we don't lose the war against the Kaiser, who exactly are the Loony politicians?

I think we all know who they are. Sensible government is just a socially constructed fiction (just my 2 pence worth). sjc

Good to see you here, Uri. I had been wondering when you'd take a break from the excessively serious and spend a little time with the hysterically funny. Cheers. --Ed Poor


 * Yeah well I admit it's one of the more-fun-to-edit articles I've edited recently :-). --Uri

Is there a list entry for joke political parties? David Gerard 00:20, Jan 9, 2004 (UTC)


 * No, but there should be... Morwen 00:22, Jan 9, 2004 (UTC)


 * I think this is a little more sophisticated than simply a 'joke political party' - they have won elections and their candidates have performed relatively well.207.189.98.44 00:23, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * So have a lot of other 'joke political parties'! David Gerard 13:33, Jan 9, 2004 (UTC)


 * See List of frivolous parties, which now exists and has a more NPOV name. Morwen 13:46, Jan 9, 2004 (UTC)

I am still unsure what these people portend for British democracy...But this article is side-splittingly funny to any observer of UK politics. Bravo! Bravo! My vote for featured article candidate for 1 April next. Vote for the Raving Loonies! You know you are one!:-)
 * More seriously, does anyone have turnout statistics for UK elections? It'd be interesting to see if there's anything to be gained by a statistical analysis of Raving Loony performance and turnout. --Penta 11:06, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

OMRLP on TV
Lord Sutch had a bit part in the first program of the TV Satire The New Statesman.

Has he done any other shows?

Syd1435 06:03, 2004 Dec 4 (UTC)

If there was a TV "by-election special", Sutch & Tempest used the broadcasting regulations to ensure that they got on the show as well as the other candidates. This led to several shows never occuring thanks to pompous producers thinking it beneath their station to have Sutch on, whilst it being right and proper to have the so-called "Natural Law Party" on (whom were basically misusing broadcasting & electoral mail-drop rules in order to gain cheap advertising for transcendental meditation)

Sutch did a number of TV adverts for Sekonda watches, Monster Munch, etc; but this was a sideline to his main job of lead singer with The Savages. He also turned up in one of "Viz" comic's parody photo stories as Father Christmas - don't ask why!

Mark_Boyle 3rd February 2005

Right, due to recent events, I've added some extra material that will be of contemporary interest.

Mark_Boyle 24th April 2005

POV fixing
I've attempted to improve the biased wording of the "Sutch's death, and after" section. I would request that Mark Boyle discuss this before reverting it again, and please read the NPOV policy. Biased wording included:


 * "Cunningham huffed" (I changed this to "Cunningham commented")
 * "But the bizarre spectacle of an atheist Scottish Nationalist praising the deceased leader of England and Wales' Roman Catholics had a simple explanation - sour grapes."

This is clearly not neutral wording.

&mdash; Matt Crypto 11:13, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

A lot of changes made, thanks in the main to alterations by "Matt Crypto" & a plethora of other pseuds. I suggest when they presume to give me a lecture on "bias", they bother to do independent research themselves, or be party to the events as they unfolded. Save this sort of nonsense of editing out what others on the pretext of "bias" to the pages concerning the Anti-Nazi League, BNP, etc please!

The points I felt need to be made are thus:

1. CURLS – having spoken at length with John Dougrez-Lewis & Sutch several years ago, I am fairly confident as to what CURLS was - or was not for that matter. Have expanded a little more on this, but as it was a sideshow to events, have curtailed too great an elaboration.

2. The electoral deposit is NOT £1000, it remains at £500. It is £1000 for the European Elections. Had it been £1000, it is doubtful that the OMRLP would have managed a single candidate in May 2005, when added to the increased demands required for candidates wishing to take advantage of the free mail drop the Post Office provides.

3. The seat Stuart Hughes stood for was simply Honiton, NOT Tiverton & Honiton which is a new seat created in 2005 from redrawn boundaries.

4. Perth, Rosanna Cunningham, etc: Since I was there for the by-election, I am far better placed than “Matt Crypto” to refer to matters. To talk about “removing bias” in this instance is downright fatuous – a line has to be drawn at some point & to state events without any background information is tantamount to spin.

Furthermore, anyone that can be bothered to check the relevant back issues of the “Perth Advertiser” (which can be found in the National Library of Scotland as well as within Perth Library itself) can gauge for themselves just how ill-tempered this campaign was (& particularly Cunningham's animosity towards Sutch). This is not “bias”, it is a matter of historic fact, as anyone that had a billboard in their garden for a candidate set alight will attest to…

If I was wishing to do a “hatchet job” on Cunningham, as implied, I could easily have mentioned Cunningham’s temper-tantrum over having to share a BBC TV programme with the OMRLP, Green, UKIP & Natural Law Parties in the first place - & hence why the Tory candidate John Godfrey chose to specifically goad her on the ITV show days later with “Well I have to confess that Sutch has spoken far more sense in this campaign than the other parties, particularly the SNP,” knowing full well how she would overreact on camera (he was not disappointed, & I have a copy of the show on tape to prove it). Relations deteriorated between the SNP/Labour & the TV crews enough that by the time of the STV by-election programme in Kinross High School, the camera crew & journalist Fiona Ross (daughter of former Labour minister Ernie Ross) were ostentatiously wearing “Vote Loony” stickers in order to annoy both their candidate's election agents.

Mark_Boyle 23rd May 2005

Loony Society
There were some Loony Society candidates in the '83 general election. Was this label used by the grouping which later became the OMRLP? If so, I'll put in a redirect. Warofdreams talk 11:39, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

This is a common error caused largely thanks to the initial lazy research by DODS, reliant on the likes of Mssrs Butler et al that would rather not be doing any analysis on minor political parties at all.

Granted, their task was made more difficult at the outset because local election literature (& subsequently local newspapers) would describe candidates by their election leaflets, & some candidates also got the party name slightly wrong (hardly surprising, considering how unwieldy it was). Basically, "Loony Society" & "Loony Monster" candidates are one & the same: Official Monster Raving Loony Candidates. Amongst the variants are "Oxford Raving Lunatics", "Cambridge University Raving Loony Society", and "Loony Green Chicken Alliance".

Similar problems are caused when trying to research the Rainbow Alliance of George Weiss, which started off as "Captain Rainbow's Universal Abolish Parliament Party" & whose members have stood on a variety of names with even the word "Rainbow" occasionally dropped (eg. in the cases of Cynthia Payne & Captain Rizz). With the registration of political parties Acts, this is less likely to occur now & provide less of a headache when studying the newspaper archives!

Mark_Boyle 3rd October 2005

Vandalism
There has been repeated vandalism on this page the last couple of days, and some quite serious accusations made (by individuals whose grasp of written English leaves something to be desired, particularly in the correct use of the apostrophe...), in some cases libellous.

May I remind them that if they do not have the evidence to verify their claims (one of the said claims - "treating" voters - is a criminal offence punishable by up to 5 years in prison under the UK Representation of the People's Act). It would be easy enough for any of the people concerned to have the IPs listed for said posters checked and legal action for defamation taken.

This may be about "Loony" politics, but let's at least try to keep things on an adult level, shall we? This is one of the few "broad-church" pieces on "Loony" politics on the web, & it would be unfortunate if it were to be removed because a few individuals could not bear to see anything remotely critical being said about past or current party members.

Mark_Boyle 26th February 2006


 * First of all, it is extremely frivilous to seek legal action against anyone vandalising a wiki. Although it may make it to court, no judge would ever allow for any severe action to be taken against the vandals. That, and people can change their IP addresses. --Holamitch (talk) 04:34, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Section Titles
I dislike the choice of header titles. Would it be best if they were merged into subheadings in such things as defeats and/or history. Computerjoe 's talk 15:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't look like anyone else thinks so. Mark_Boyle 22nd July 2006

Current Activity
Does the party still exist in an active sense? I'm a UK citizen and I've noticed a decline in MRLP media coverage- not sure if this is a sign of the media simply trying to ignore them, or of the party declining, or of my own living-under-a-rock-ness... It would be a terrible shame for the party to cease to exist- their ideas make more sense than some of the stuff our current leaders have been belching out... Weenerbunny 08:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, the part still exists in an active sense, although the sudden disappearence of their webpage is a matter for concern. They fought the usual round of English local elections in May and recently fought two Parliamentary by-elections on the same day : 29th June 2006.


 * The first one at Bromley & Chislehurst saw John Cartwright - a regular OMRLP candidate in Croydon - take 132 votes (0.45%), finishing 9th out of 11 candidates. Fellow regular candidate Toby Jugg was Cartwright's election agent during the campaign.


 * Cartwright claims to have been "manhandled" by the Lib Dems during the campaign however as Cartwright does have a history of "issues" with both the Liberal Democrats & the continuing Liberals (see the rest of the aforementioned site for details), one has to keep an open mind on this claim.


 * The other by-election was in Blaenau Gwent, where Alan "Howling Laud" Hope finished 6th out of 6 candidates with 318 votes (1.2%). This was in all honesty a better result than they could have hoped for under the contentious circumstances the by-election was fought in which usually bodes ill for smaller parties in UK elections fighting areas for the first time. The presence of "Wild Willi Beckett" - a veteran of by-elections with Sutch during the Tempest era - may have helped Hope avoid the debacles surrounding his by-election candidacies elsewhere (eg. Kensington & Chelsea ), but I will need to check this Mark_Boyle 22nd July 2006

212.139.251.237 04:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)N.B. Toby Jug was not, at any time, my election agent in the Bromley & Chislehurst by-election campaign; he falsely claimed to be my "campaign manager" in various communications which he made to the local media in Bromley without my knowledge or authorisation.

I do not have any general problems or issues with the Liberal Democrats, apart from their behaviour in Bromley.


 * Really John Cartwright (for that is whom 212.139.251.237 is!)? Well, if one reads the following from your own website: "the Liberal Democrats are, by far, the most treacherous in wishing to surrender the U.K. to the growing clutches of the E.U., and its undemocratic and unaccountable government, its laws, and its taxes. They denigrate and insult the Monarchy and the House of Lords, and they are happy to let loose the addictive and health dangers of cannabis to a mass market through legalisation." (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/croydonloony/ukip7.html#seven), then I think people would be inclined to think you most certainly do. And this was written before the Bromley incident, & so cannot be apportioned to mere sour grapes. Mark_Boyle 20 July 2007

When I said that I didn't have any general problems with the Lib Dems (apart from in Bromley) I was referring to the personal level of normal good-natured campaigning, not to the policies. For example, The activists and candidates of all parties were always reasonable and courteous in Southall. Meanwhile, I have corrected the figures given for the two by-elections on 19th July: The elections office at Sedgefield council has confirmed that Alan Hope got 129 votes, not the 147 which has been erroneously reported on some websites. I got 188 votes (not 152) which was a good result, rather than "disappointing".


 * John, firstly as I've said people can follow the link & decide for themselves whether you have "issues" with the Lib Dems per se or not. Secondly, to suggest a handful more votes & coming behind the Christian Party (two months after they'd been hung out to dry by the media for standing on an anti-homosexual platform when their party is bankrolled by the royalties from gay disco anthem "So Macho"!) was a "good result" is stretching credulity, is it not?
 * Incidentally, the English Democrats were always on a road to a hiding in Ealing Southall - they stood there because its history of "little Englanderism" (the Palgrave Avenue incident, the infamous Southall Residents Association under Arthur Cooney in the 1960s & 70s, etc) and the recent pre-election councillor defections from Labour to Tory made them think that Southall was moving that way again - but apart from some councillors in certain areas where the party has some semblence of organisation, the EDs simply aren't capable of fighting anything above the level of local authority elections, despite Tilbrook & Bushell's grandiose claims. Mark_Boyle 16 August 2007.

No, it is not "stretching credulity" to say that I got a "good result"; the 188 votes which I got in Ealing Southall was substantially more than the 132 I got in Bromley, despite not having enough time to arrange any significant number of leaflets. It is also the first time in 17 elections that I managed to beat 3 other candidates at the same time.


 * Oh, come on John, you finished ninth, same as in Bromley, your share of the vote (which is what really counts) remained to all intensive purposes exactly the same. 56 more votes from a higher turnout (36 000 as opposed to 29 000 at Bromley) is hardly progress now, is it? I don't think even Ian "We've turned the corner" Anderson would have tried to spin this one with a straight face. Mark_Boyle 2 September 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark Boyle (talk • contribs) 23:03, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I have corrected the number of votes which Alan and I got in the two by-elections (the correct figure for Sedgefield, as confirmed by Sedgefield Council and by Alan himself, is 129, and my figure is 188). I am surprised that it was necessary for me to do so for a second time after they had been reverted back to the incorrect 147 and 152 for unknown reasons.

Raving Loony
It is my recollection that John Lewis stood as Tarquin Fin-tim-lin-bin-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Olé-Biscuitbarrel before he had linked with Sutch. That implies that the Raving Looney part of the name came from Lewis and his CURLS. Can anyone verify the timeline ? (I think the description of CURLS is slightly generous. It started, at least, as just being student pranks.) -- Beardo 15:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, you are absolutely correct in saying Lewis stood before his link with Sutch, and the "Raving Loony" part came from his candidature - and the original idea of standing as a "Loony" candidate dated back a little further... It should also be noted though that by that time (the early 1980s) the political insult of describing members of minor parties or pressure groups as "the lunatic fringe" was commonplace thanks to the antics of Bill Boaks & the anti-Tony Benn obsessive Thomas Leslie Keen on one hand, the less funny antics of the National Front & the Socialist Workers Party on the other.


 * As for CURLS, it did have a serious side to all its slapstick - people forget that campus life was rather fraught in those days thanks to the extremities within the two main parties "Youth" wings - let alone the "usual suspects" of the far-left & far-right, and they provided what they felt was much needed relief - thus fulfilling the same function the various "parody" religions founded on US Campuses had done so as a counter to Christian evangelical activities (interestingly CURLS used some Greek symbols also used by the Church of Discordia - see Discordian). It was, perhaps, somewhat inevitable that they eventually decided that the best way to keep things light hearted was to get rid of those that were making it less so in the first place, debatably the first example of an applied "Philosophy" of "Raving Loonyism"! Mark_Boyle 10th October 2006.

Eddie Vee & The Staniforth resignation
Hello there. A trivial correction - the real name of 'Eddie Vee' of York is Graham Cambridge, even though he is entered as 'Eddie Vee' in the telephone directory. This can be confirmed by the local Electoral Register. I hope the party is all right now the deputy leader has resigned. I used to be a member of the York Branch.

Premier Subscriber 23:58, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the extra info! The fact the party stood in two by-elections shows they are still active post-Staniforth, John Cartwright & R U Seerius appear to be the ones that have stepped to the front. There is little doubt however that the party now appears to be in serious trouble after the last few months, and the Jersey conference could be "make or break" for the OMRLP.

The York Branch debacle sadly epitomised much of the post-Tempest OMRLP, potential & resources squandered thrown to Hell for the sake of the egos/careers of third-rate pub entertainers Mark_Boyle 20 July 2007

LORD TOBY JUG
I HAVE NEVER BEEN ASKED TO RESIGN FROM THE LOONY PARTY BY ANYONE. I'VE NEVER BEEN THE PARTY PRESS OFFICER AT ANY TIME. I'VE NEVER BEEN CONVICTED OF ASSAULT ON MY PARTNER, JULIE SMITH, YES I DO TAKE MEDICATION FOR MANIC DEPRESSION. LORD TOBY JUG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.242.99 (talk) 19:59, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all Brian/Toby, stop typing everything in capital letters. Learn to use the keyboard properly like everyone else on Wiki does.

Secondly, a reference has been given to the incident and the claims made - I suggest you give reference to some form of retraction that was given, else the matter stands. Mark_Boyle 2 September 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark Boyle (talk • contribs) 22:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I recieved an apology from the Gravesend News shopper newspaper and from reporter Alison Little, in a phone call in September 2006. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Screamingloony (talk • contribs) 07:40, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Brian, but there's a big difference between an alleged phone call apology and an actual printed retraction. Was one made? If so, when? Mark Boyle 21:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

manifesto
OMRLP general election manifesto 2001 is being considered for deletion. It looks like it is a manifesto of this party, but it is not well described. It would be helpful if some Wikipedians could help us investigate it, and work out the copyright status of the documents. If we can keep this one, we could record all the bizarre manifestos of this party. John Vandenberg 09:40, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Most of that "General Election Manifesto" is in fact the one that was on the website of Nick "The Brick" Delves, who was a General Election candidate in Erewash in Derbyshire. It was not the actual OMRLP manifesto, though it contains a large part of it. Mark Boyle (talk) 21:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, if I get any protocol incorrect. The policies described are from RU Seerius who is as much of a policy maker as any of us in the 'Loony Committee'. You are attributing them to me 'The Flying Brick' and my website at http://nickdelves.co.uk/loony_blog.htm which is incorrect. RU Seerius's site is http://www.aravingloony.co.uk/ but he spends little time on that now as he has been the webmaster at the official http://www.loonyparty.com (formerly omrlp.com) since 2007 when Stewart left. RU's policies were and are very much official policies. RU Seerius was the candidate for Erewash I used to be the candidate for West Derbyshire.

I'm sure this is the wrong place to ask but when are you going to update the Wikipedia Loony Party Page with the multiple by-elections we have contested since I stood in Crewe 2008? I was a counting agent at all bar one if you need know anything?

Nick 'The Incredible Flying Brick' Delves

Flying brick (talk) 17:57, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Monty Python
Anybody know if perhaps Lord Sutch was inspired by the Loony Party featured in a Monty Python sketch? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.229.185 (talk) 01:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I take it you then read the main article? That would answer that question for you. Mark Boyle (talk) 21:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Boney Maroney in the 2008 elections
Thought you'd be interested to know that your former deputy leader stood in the local elections yesterday as a Blah! Party candidate picking up only 38 votes out of a possible 5,604 in her Holme Valley North ward. Finishing 7th out of 7. 80.5.191.207 (talk) 13:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes indeed, it was noticed that her "personal" vote did not hold up. Whether that means that her talk about a personal vote was hot air, or whether she was a victim to the traditional squeeze on minor parties when there's a strong opposition to the governing party remains to be seen. The forthcoming Crewe By-election might prove interesting though, as there's been a lot of dirty tricks by the major parties, and traditionally this tends to produce some form of backlash from disgruntled voters. Whether the OMRLP will benefit only time will of course tell Mark Boyle (talk) 21:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Full Manifesto
My site has a full copy of the OMRLP Manifesto. We're driving towards having all English-language political manifestos of every political party in the world on our site in the same/similar format - it could be a useful resource for Wikipedia. OMRLP Manifesto Declaring my interest: I own the site so shouldn't add the link myself. Jdfjurn (talk) 09:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Needs more info.
The tag is wrong and more polices should be included. Kiko4564 (talk) 18:18, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Template:POV-check
Added  for a lot of the reasons stated above. Statements such as "There were also however some not-so-complimentary comments, the worst coming from Roseanna Cunningham, at the time MP for Perth and a columnist for the Scottish Sunday Mail. Cunningham claimed newspapers were more interested in the death of someone she felt had contributed nothing to politics nor society whilst 'ignoring' the death that same week of Cardinal Basil Hume (in fact most had given long obituaries to Hume) who she felt had done more (she did not name any specific achievements)." do not seem very neutral.--89.181.245.88 (talk) 03:11, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * There are numerous opinionated and unsubstantiated comments within the text, which are of a similar nature to the above. Indeed, the above text remains intact, some three and a half years on from the above editor's comments. I have installed the {POV} tag in the article, and ask interested editors to consider the lack of specific references and citations to support such text.  Whilst fully accepting the somewhat jovial nature of the article's subject, there needs to be properly validated statements - see Verifability.


 * Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:09, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

The tone of the article is inappropriate, regardless of the subject matter. A complete rewrite wouldn't go amiss... --Money money tickle parsnip (talk) 20:33, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Translated: anyone who dares disagree with Bullamore can expect to find every edit they ever made to Wikipedia stalked by him and any footnotes removed so he can claim it is a "POV". See also the mess he's been making of the music section for the last decade. Mark Boyle

i do see the page needs some more references, happy to add some and if someone then wants to do the larger job a rewrite then at least they'll have the sources to do so. anyway cheers i enjoyed reading the page and didn't realise sutch was no longer with us RiP Mujinga (talk) 13:33, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

I came to this article just now having seen in the news that the OMRLP polled more votes than UKIP in yesterday's Brecon and Radnorshire by-election, and frankly large parts of the article were unsourced drivel that don't do anything to educate anybody (particularly those outside the UK) as to what the party is and what it does. I would draw everyone's attention to the biography of living persons and verifiability policy. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  19:38, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Should say something about the Raving Loony Green Giant Party
Though it has its own page talking about it being a split off from this party, I notice the only mention on this page of the Raving Loony Green Giant Party is saying some of its members attended the funeral of the party founder. Surely this is a significant enough thing to be included in describing the party history.--108.86.120.80 (talk) 22:48, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * There used to be an entire section called "Divisions" that had more to say about the RLGGP split-off until someone unceremoniously axed it. Admittedly, the section was unsourced, but removing it entirely was too heavy-handed. The fact that the OMRLP, despite being a joke party, has still had serious internal rifts and arguments is definitely relevant information that should be included in the article. Jah77 (talk) 14:07, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

link to archive of Sawley Parish Council
The archive copy does not appear to show the period prior to 2007 when the OMRLP councillor was a member.

The link to the original diverts to random spam sites.

Is this an issue with my device, or are other readers affected? I am reluctant to try to edit if the problem is mine and not Wikipedia's.^^^^ 37.160.61.92 (talk) 10:22, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

What the hell is an Ommaroo?
This peculiar and very poor article seems to have been written by someone with a personal grudge against Alan "Howling Laud" Hope, judging by its repeated claim that the party is actually run on a daily basis by various other people, though since apart from putting up candidates at elections it doesn't appear to do very much of anything I don't see why this matters. It also mentions that Anthony Blyth, the alleged true leader of the Loonies, is the owner of "the Ommaroo", an utterly baffling statement which isn't explained in any way. Luckily there is one other mention in Wikipedia of this strange word, so I now know it's a hotel on Jersey. Though I still don't know what the word means, or why it it matters in this context that Anthony Blyth owns a hotel in the Channel Islands. Unless of course Anthony Blyth wrote the article and is trying to sneak in a wee bit of advertising? Which, judging by its favourable references to himself in constrant to its treatment of Alan Hope, seems not improbable. Anyway, if the Ommaroo Hotel is somehow genuinely relevant, you might like to include a brief explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.29.141 (talk) 14:25, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Dressing vaguely
In the popular culture section is says: "...all while dressed vaguely as a bee." What a peculiar choice of adverb. How does one dress vaguely? 92.40.179.157 (talk) 12:07, 27 March 2022 (UTC)