Talk:Operation Sundevil

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Apparently copied from by the Prodigy. Copyright statement says All rights are fish. Does this mean as free as a fish in the water? -- Chris 73 | (New) Talk 13:31, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

"best known raid" not part of Sundevil
The EFF claims that the Blankenship/SJG raid had nothing to do with Operation Sun Devil (sic?) -- http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/SJG/?f=media_errors.sjg.txt #5 -- I am going to edit this page and GURPS Cyberpunk unless someone provides some clarification. Somegeek 16:59, 2005 Apr 27 (UTC)
 * Many, many people associate the raid on Steve Jackson Games with Operation Sundevil. I'm not sure what edits you have in mind, but I would suggest clarifying the text as you see fit while documenting the distinction the EFF makes between the two raids.    &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 08:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm still not certain of the details, and I don't want to muddy things up further. I think I will just add a "Note, however that the EFF makes a conflicting claim" paragraph, at least for the time being.  I don't know, but would like to find out before making more major edits, whether the raid of Blankenship's residence and the investigation surrounding him was part of Sundevil.  If Blankenship was a target of Operation Sundevil, its hard to see how the SJG raid could not also be.  But if Blankenship was a target of some other operation, then clearly there are a lot of corrections to make, but I don't know anything about that. Somegeek 17:23, 2005 May 8 (UTC)
 * The raid on Steve Jackson Games was conducted by a Secret Service unit from Chicago under the direction of Chicago prosecutor Bill Cook. Operation Sun Devil, led by Gail Thackeray, was based in Arizona. So you're right, the Steve Jackson case had nothing to do with Sun Devil, though this incorrect assumption has crept into various histories over the years. A good factual resource: Bruce Sterling's _Hacker Crackdown_, which is widely available online. Jonl 17:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC) (President, EFF-Austin)
 * On the basis of the information in the Steve Jackson entries (as well as Sterling's book, your comment and a bit of Googling), I've rewritten the section. I'm still looking for a really good citation online, but the Bill Cook/Chicago vs. Gail Thackeray/Arizona difference is pretty clear.  69.162.59.13 10:01, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Great rewrite! Somegeek 21:30, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

E911 Theft
I believe the E911 "theft" was by Kevin Mitnick. His defense lawyer also noted that copies were available for purchase by the general public.


 * It was Len Rose, not Kevin Mitnick. Jonl 17:31, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Minor Edits
Hi folks. I put a 'citation needed' template next to the sentence claiming that phreaks caused a great deal of monetary loss for phone companies. Thought about deleting it outright, as there is actually very little evidence for this...but perhaps someone would like to dig some up. If so, please link it. Otherwise, I'd suggest removing that sentence or replacing it with something along the lines of 'Phone companies claimed...' or 'Phone companies complained of financial losses from phreaking activities' both of which are certainly demonstrably true. Cheers. 72.0.72.98 (talk) 02:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I like your wording better. I've added a citation, but I've replaced the sentence in question as well. ɳ OCTURNE ɳ OIR  (t &bull; c) 02:33, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

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