Talk:Oryzomys gorgasi

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File:Oryzomys distribution S America.png isn't sourced and doesn't match with IUCN's map. It's also unclear which part of the world is displayed on that map. And it's a low quality PNG. A455bcd9 (talk) 10:51, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * , who would be the best to answer any concerns with this article. Hog Farm Talk 22:50, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The map is based on the same sources as the articles on Oryzomys gorgasi and Oryzomys couesi, which provide detailed references and locality names.
 * I just checked the IUCN map. The difference is that they fill in the area between the records in Colombia and Venezuela, but they cite no reliable records to substantiate that.
 * I'll give you that the quality of the map is low. Ucucha (talk) 05:10, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * For the area between Colombia and Venezuela, I understand that the IUCN says: "Locals report a mangrove rat between the two locations [Antoine: the sentence before refers to "the eastern coast of the gulf of Maracaibo in Venezuela at sea level" and "the type locality in Colombia"] but there are no voucher specimens (J. Ochoa pers. comm.)." Ochoa is the author of "Sánchez, J., Ochoa, J. G. and Voss, R. S. 2001. Rediscovery of Oryzomys gorgasi (Rodentia: Muridae), with notes on taxonomy and natural history. Mammalia 65: 205-214." but he's cited here as a personal comment. Still, I think that the IUCN is a reliable non-primary source so we can use it.
 * What do you think @Ucucha?
 * (in any case, could you please tell me what the exact sources for File:Oryzomys distribution S America.png are, so that I can add them on Commons?) a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 07:36, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I saw that statement in the IUCN account but I would not consider it a reliable record. A "mangrove rat" could be lots of things; they would need actual specimens (or DNA or something) to establish that these rats are really Oryzomys gorgasi.
 * Sources are:
 * (for the Colombian record of gorgasi)
 * (for the Venezuelan record of gorgasi)
 * (for the Curaçao record)
 * Hershkovitz, P. 1987. First South American record of Coues' marsh rice rat, Oryzomys couesi. Journal of Mammalogy 68(1):152–154. (for the Colombian record of Oryzomys couesi)
 * Ucucha (talk) 14:43, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I added them to Commons: File:Oryzomys distribution S America.png. Problem solved then. a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 15:53, 27 January 2023 (UTC)