Talk:Panagia Episkopi

Uncertainty re Greek Catholic vs Latin rite Catholic
Greek Catholics and Latin rite Catholics are two separate groups and it's unclear in the article which of the two was involved in some places. Since there seem to be 5000 of the former in Greece, mostly located in Athens, and 50000 of the latter in Greece, it's most likely that the latter are referred to here. Especially since the altar was a separate one - the Latins would use a different structure, while the Greeks would use an identical structure to the Orthodox, and only political reasons would have them want their own separate structure. Political reasons cannot be excluded, but it's unlikely given that the dates and population sizes suggest Latin rite Catholic involvement. Also, while the Greek Church was formally established as its own ""sui iuris"" Church much later, there were individual Greek Catholics and their clergy who used the Byzantine rite. Overall, this was probably a dispute between Latin rite Catholics and Orthodox. RuralVirologist (talk) 11:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Technically the term "Latin rite Catholic" is preferable to "Roman Catholic" as the latter developed as an anti-Catholic term, but "Roman Catholic" is commonly used by Catholics who are not as pedantic as I am. Most Catholics assume all Catholics are "Roman Catholic" as they aren't aware of the rest. Most people would not understand the difference, and in the context the disputes were Roman ideology vs Orthodox culture, so the term Roman throughout is probably the most appropriate. RuralVirologist (talk) 11:57, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Translation of große Messe
The term seems to refer mostly to Great Mass in C minor by Mozart. The German page for High Mass says High Mass suggests translated "feierliche Messe" but would probably not apply to the Orthodox. In standard English the main Mass, of whatever sort amongst Catholics, would be called the main Mass, whether High Mass or other. The term was probably introduced by a lay Orthodox editor using Latin terminology for the most important liturgy of the day, or perhaps a "high church" liturgy. While many Orthodox will use the term Mass, it is not favoured, and liturgy for everyday use and Divine Liturgy for what Catholics call the Mass. RuralVirologist (talk) 11:52, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this! I really had no idea about these distinctions, so I really appreciate your input. --Slashme (talk) 14:00, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Church or cathedral?
One thing that I was never sure about was whether to refer to the church as a cathedral, and whether it should be consistent or not. I used the word "church" throughout most of the article, but because it is the seat of a bishop, that makes it a cathedral. It's still a church despite being a cathedral, though, if I understand correctly. --Slashme (talk) 14:11, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * It's perfectly acceptable that way, and clumsy to keep saying cathedral or cathedral church. RuralVirologist (talk) 17:53, 18 April 2014 (UTC)