Talk:Papatoetoe

Meaning of Papatoetoe
what does papatoetoe mean, i can't believe that would have been left out of a site for papatoetoe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.180.83.6 (talk) 06:17, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Added explanation in main article --Tom Webb 23:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * "meaning 'undulating area where the toetoe is the predominant feature'. Papatoetoe was named after the 'Prince of Wales' feather". Doesn't papa mean flat rather than undulating? And what has the Prince of Wales's feathers, or Amaranthus hypochondriacus, got to do with it? Nurg 06:48, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Train station photo
Added the photo of the train station to Papatoetoe Train Station Please adjust formatting or remove if you don't think it should really be there, Thanks. Martync84 22:02, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That's exactly the right thing to do - adding links were appropriate is always appreciated by others using WIkipedia. Was goingto do the same - but got caugh out by work. Keep it up :) Tom Webb 04:45, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Statistical units
New Zealand doesn't have formal boundaries for suburbs, so I've been using the 2018 census statistical units and common sense to write and update articles on suburbs.

User:121.98.239.39 has recently expanded this article, and added 2018 demographics, which must have been quite a lot of work if they calculated it all manually. I'm ready to run my python script to produce the demographics, and it will do a slightly more thorough job. 121.98.239.39 has used the statistical areas of Grange, Dingwall, Papatoetoe East, Papatoetoe South, Papatoetoe Central, Papatoetoe North, Papatoetoe South-West, Papatoetoe West, Puhinui East, Puhinui North, Puhinui South and Aorere South as constituting Papatoetoe. I suggest a slightly different mix:
 * 1) Make a new article for Puhinui. It's marked as a separate suburb on at least some maps, it has its own train station, and it has its own school. This would take three of the above statistical areas out of this article.
 * 2) I've included Aorere North in Māngere East, and 121.98.239.39 has included Aorere South in Papatoetoe. There's also Aorere Central, which at present isn't included in any article. Should we:
 * 3) Create an Aorere article for the three Aorere statistical areas. There's Aorere Park which presumably the area is named for, and Aorere College, but the name doesn't appear as a suburb on the maps I've looked at. There is an Aorere River in the South Island but I'd create a hatnote for that. Or
 * 4) Add Aorere Central to Papatoetoe as I was originally thinking, or
 * 5) Add Aorere Central to Māngere East. It will take me very little time to redo the Māngere East demographics for any of these options.
 * 6) I'm not aware of any reason why we would treat Grange, New Zealand and Dingwall, New Zealand as separate suburbs, so I'm happy to leave them in Papatoetoe, but if anyone thinks they should be article I would be happy to see any sources they can provide.

Any local Wikipedians like to suggest which way to go?- gadfium 05:38, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm not a local, but I plotted a map of the SA2 census districts which intersect Papatoetoe (blue outline) on the Fire & Emergency NZ localities map, if that's any help to you. --Canley (talk) 08:31, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That definition includes Aorere South, Puhinui North and Puhinui South (per User:121.98.239.39's definition) but doesn't include Puhinui East, which would presumably be part of Manukau (although https://data.linz.govt.nz/layer/104830-fire-and-emergency-nz-localities/ puts much of Manukau into Wiri...). Very useful to me to have the F&E localities as an alternative view of suburb boundaries.- gadfium 08:58, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, i live in the area and Dingwall and Grange are part of Papatoetoe. Puhinui is part of Papatoetoe as well. Aorere South is part of Papatoetoe but the other parts of Aorere are part of Mangere East. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.98.239.39 (talk) 01:22, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

However, yes you are right. I will take Puhinui East out of the Papatoetoe Statistical area. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.98.239.39 (talk) 01:24, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your input. I'll generate the demographics as you suggest.- gadfium 02:21, 29 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Here's the output. The links to the summaries at the end of the references are cut off because the template only accepts 9 areas. I'll fix that in a minute, but the statistics are correct, it's only that the reference is incomplete. (The reference template is fixed now) If you have no objection, I'll paste this into the article.- gadfium 02:37, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Papatoetoe, comprising the statistical areas of Grange, Papatoetoe North, Dingwall, Aorere South, Papatoetoe West, Papatoetoe Central, Papatoetoe East, Papatoetoe South West, Papatoetoe South, Puhinui North and Puhinui South, had a population of 43,599 at the 2018 New Zealand census, an increase of 5,361 people (14.0%) since the 2013 census, and an increase of 9,411 people (27.5%) since the 2006 census. There were 11,469 households. There were 22,248 males and 21,354 females, giving a sex ratio of 1.04 males per female, with 9,288 people (21.3%) aged under 15 years, 12,051 (27.6%) aged 15 to 29, 18,405 (42.2%) aged 30 to 64, and 3,852 (8.8%) aged 65 or older.

Ethnicities were 19.8% European/Pākehā, 12.7% Māori, 29.1% Pacific peoples, 50.1% Asian, and 2.1% other ethnicities (totals add to more than 100% since people could identify with multiple ethnicities).

The proportion of people born overseas was 51.6%, compared with 27.1% nationally.

Although some people objected to giving their religion, 17.9% had no religion, 36.4% were Christian, and 40.7% had other religions.

Of those at least 15 years old, 6,060 (17.7%) people had a bachelor or higher degree, and 6,120 (17.8%) people had no formal qualifications. The employment status of those at least 15 was that 17,913 (52.2%) people were employed full-time, 4,278 (12.5%) were part-time, and 1,593 (4.6%) were unemployed.

Okay thanks. Should we elaborate what other religions are since they make up over 40%? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.98.239.39 (talk) 07:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * For consistency with other suburbs and localities, I'm inclined to say no, but it would only take me a few minutes to adapt my script to include Buddhism, Hinduism, and Muslim religions, which I think are most of that 40%. I'll try it tomorrow.- gadfium 08:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Okay i will let you make that call. You are the expert. Thanks for doing that. I had to manually calculate everything, the demographics that was listed previously was from 2001. A bit outdated to say the least for one of the biggest suburbs in Auckland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.98.239.39 (talk) 10:27, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. I did add the elaboration on religions, and will use that version of the script in future where the percentage of other religions is high.- gadfium 04:23, 30 August 2020 (UTC)