Talk:Partial zero-emissions vehicle

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errors
This is wrong. not **zero** evap emissions, but **near** zero. And not 10 years, but 15 years.

"...in addition, have zero evaporative emissions from its fuel system plus an extended (ten-year/150,000-mile) warranty on..."


 * No: http://www.driveclean.ca.gov/en/gv/faq/index.asp#2 "PZEVs meet SULEV tailpipe emission standards, have zero evaporative emissions and a 15 year / 150,000 mile warranty. No evaporative emissions means that they have fewer emissions while being driven than a typical gasoline car has while just sitting." --Itinerant1 07:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

The link Ulrich, Lawrence. "Dirty Secret: Green Cars Automakers Won't Sell You". MSN. Shows only the main MSN autos page and the article is no longer available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.69.137 (talk) 21:06, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

sales prohibitions
"The federal Clean Air Act outlaws the sale of these vehicles anywhere except in California, New York, and six other northeast states that share California's emission standards.[1]"

Is this correct? I don't see the cited author substantiating his headline claim. The article is rather hard to follow, but I don't see anything that indicates how or why sale of these vehicles might be against federal law. I see cars with "PZEV" and "SULEV" stickers in my parking lot (in Illinois, not a CARB state) all the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.182.158.129 (talk) 20:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * After extensive search of Federal Rules and "40 CFR Part 85 Subpart Y - Fees for Motor Vehicle and Engine compliance pp 26248-251" (in the Federal Register Vol 69 No. 91 May 11, 2004), I have been unable to find this law forbidding sale of PZEV cars in other states. The author of the referenced article is probably using journalistic license. The basis of his illegal sales and fine probably has to do with the fact that certification for "California Only" (which includes those NE states now - NY, VT, ME adopted CA emission standards) vehicles is cheaper than Federal certification. There would be a penalty for certifying a vehicle as "California Only" and selling it in a different state. Conversely it is illegal to sell a car in any of the "California Only" states that is certified only to Fereral guidelines, but these would be state laws and not Federal. I see nothing in the Clean Air Act nor in any EPA regulations that would preclude a car company from certifying a PZEV vehicle to Federal guidelines (Bin 1 - SmartDrive Elite level) and selling it in any state they want. In fact, the Clean Air Act specifically allows manufacturing an emission vehicle that is cleaner than the target values. The confusion may come from the EPA's FAQ page. The gotcha here is that PZEVs are more expensive than the non-certified PZEVs and the manufacturer is taking profit hits on the cost, so why would they want to sell them in other states. Finally, these vehicles can also be sold in adjoining sates (see the state maps on the EPA FAQ page). --Celtic hackr 06:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Smog problem
That last sentence needs a citation. If it doesn't get one in a week or two its gone.

Tax credit
Removing reference to $2,000 tax deduction. This deduction no longer exists and only applied to vehicles pre-2006. It has been replaced by a variable tax credit, and doesn't have anything to do with PZEV, so I'm removing the reference. Teej 05:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

dangling citation
"The federal Clean Air Act outlaws the sale of these vehicles anywhere except in California, New York, and six other northeast states that share California's emission standards.[1]"

that citation goes to nowhere and some quick looking around shows nothing that backs up that claim.

let's either get a referance for that claim or remove it.

69.11.120.206 18:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * there was one but there was no  at the end to make the link display does anyone know what the 6 other states are? 155.42.91.129 18:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Any state that touches CA, NY, VT, or ME. It's considerably more than six states. CA, OR, NV, AZ, NY, PA, NJ, CT, VT, NH, ME, MA. I'd say the claim is a weasel phrase at best, while being true in the sense you couldn't import a new PZEV car and sell it as a new car in Missouri if it was certified for CA, but only because there is a different fee for certification of the vehicles' emissions for "California". There is no law to prevent one from getting the car certified at the Federal levels and selling it anywhere in the US. --Celtic hackr 06:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This never went anywhere apparently, but this information does not seem accurate. Indeed, the reference itself states that Subaru makes it's PZEV Outback available everywhere. I have one, bought it new in Alaska, so obviously it's not just those few states. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

clean air vehicle decal
"In particular, PZEV vehicles do not automatically qualify for the hybrid vehicle tax credit or for the "clean air vehicle" decal that allows hybrid car drivers to use car-pool lanes."

What is the source of this. Every PZEV I found on the EPA's website qualified for the clean air stickers at the "elite" level. --Celtic hackr 06:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Cited on main page from Clean Air Stickers - High Occupancy Vehicle Lane Usage ChamPro 13:30, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Availability
PZEV vehicles are readily available in New Hampshire and Maine  (Many Subarus are PZEV)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.223.159.216 (talk) 03:17, 18 December 2014 (UTC)