Talk:Paweł Jasienica

Persecution to death?
Since we all will die sooner or later, what is the basis of the statement that the Polish government's "persecution of him" caused his death? I didn't see any mention of this "fact", on the Polish language link. What's up? Dr. Dan 00:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * This article is a mess and I'd like to copy-edit it (rewrite some of it into English). What is a Russian Pole? Are there German Poles, Austrian Poles, Lithuanian Poles? Is this a language issue, that is escaping me; maybe the editor means Poles from the Russian partition. Needs clarification. Dr. Dan 03:48, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * A quick look at pl wiki gives interesting tidbits of info: he supported opposition youth protest in 1968 which caused the ban on his publications, he opposed censorship and his last wife was an SB informant (on him) before and after the marriage...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 04:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Piotrus keep in mind that the average English speaking person, has no idea what SB or UB, means, (secret police in communist Poland). Try to clarify these kind of matters in the future. Pawelku must have been really stupid, the SB really smart (not so, I tricked them several times), or this woman was really something special (a babe), to confuse his judgement. BTW, it was after reading the Polish WK article, that my initial objections to the quality of the English article were brought forth. Dr. Dan 05:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Dan, I was talking to you and I assumed you know it. Talk is not article where all notable things have to be ilinked and such. And yes, this article needs expantion, inline citations and copyedits... thanks for improving it so far.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:33, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008
Removed Military History tag as article is out of scope. The subject of the article served in the military, but is not notable for this military service but rather as a poet and dissident against the polish government. --dashiellx (talk) 18:11, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

"Warszawa" or "Warsaw"
@Nihil novi, thanks for revising this article further. I don't quite agree with this edit, however. Like any other part of bibliographic information, the place of publication is normally cited as stated on the book itself; i.e., if the place of publication is "Warszawa", it should remain "Warszawa", and not be "translated" as "Warsaw". The purpose of bibliographic information is to facilitate finding a book, not to draw the reader's attention to whatever beautiful place a book was published in. A semi-easter-egg link like Warszawa might be acceptable (if borderline). After all, in Polish, too, you would write "New York: New York University Press", rather than "Nowy Jork: New York University Press" (or, Heaven forbid, "Nowy Jork: Wydawnictwo Uniwersytetu nowojorskiego"...). While I'm at it, you also reinserted the link to the List of Poles. Does it really make much sense to add "see also" links to random lists of people with no connection to the person discussed in a given biographical article other than nationality? If not, why should it make sense in this particular article? --Thorsten1 (talk) 12:59, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your contributions to the editing of the article.
 * I propose that English-country librarians be consulted regarding which version of title-page publication-city name to use, native or English. ("Warsaw" is the only Polish-city name that I cite in bibliographies or text in an English version.)
 * Granted that "List of Poles" is a sampling rather an exhaustive list of notable Poles, Jasienica might perhaps be considered for inclusion due to his prominence and recency. Nihil novi (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "I propose that English-country librarians be consulted regarding which version of title-page publication-city name to use, native or English" I'd say you don't need to be a librarian to decide which version of a place of publication's name should be used. Still, if you doubt what I say, you can always verify it with someone you trust more. (And, of course, this is strictly about Warsaw, as no other Polish city actually has an English name.) As for your other question, I think you misunderstood that: I'm not saying Paweł Jasienica shouldn't be on List of Poles, but that List of Poles shouldn't be on Paweł Jasienica. --Thorsten1 (talk) 22:59, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not? Nihil novi (talk) 23:59, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Because the people on the list, by default, will have no other connection with Jasienica than a shared nationality. Even if anyone should read this article and think "Oh, I wonder if there are any other Polish people on Wikipedia at all", they can easily find them, a. through the Poland article linked in this article, b. through the categories, such as Category:Polish historians and Category:Polish resistance fighters - after all, this is what categories are for. Most people have a specific nationality; despite this, we don't normally add "See also: List of [people with the same nationality]" at the bottom of biographies. At worst, this might suggest that being Polish is something so rare and/or strange that it must be given special treatment in the form of this link. I think this doesn't make much sense. --Thorsten1 (talk) 00:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Unreferenced quotes
I like them, but they 1) belong on Wikiquote and 2) are unreferenced. Hence, moving unref quotes here:


 * "My home is not my castle. I am not master of my own drawer."


 * "I once knew a man, a former Home Army cichociemny, who kept a diary.... Last I heard, he was mining coal not far from the North Pole."


 * "A man is defenseless against privileges."

--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:39, 3 March 2011 (UTC)