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Why was my article "What was life like during the Pax Romana deleted?" (Further detail please)

In fact for Jews these were the times of grave oppression, massacres and ultimate destruction of their state and culture and attempted erasure of their very existence when Romans even renamed the province of Judea using a name of half-forgotten long extinct enemies of Jews to re-name the land as Palestine.

Did you know that.. The Pax Romana only created a facade of happiness and peace, there was actually great fighting and discomfort, but the leaders covered it up. Such examples can still be seen today in many countries...

Pronunciation
How is Pax romana pronounced? Can we include this in the article, please.


 * /pæks/ romána Mallerd 12:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No, it is /paks romána/ Str1977 (talk) 09:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sources?
 * ——67.180.86.254 (talk) 00:01, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Usage of B.C.A and B.C
I noticed that somebody still change the year such as B.C.A and B.C. Would somebody please clarify the years? Thanks. Daniel's page   ☎  07:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I think you meant BCE (Before Common Era) and BC (Before Christ). Both are acceptable and interchangeable in Wikipedia, as are CE (Common Era) and AD (Anno Domini - Year of our Lord). Personally, I prefer the secular naming convetion over the traditional one, and use it when I'm writing or contributing. You'll find both on the site, though. -- Gaius Octavius | Talk 16:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm all for changing it to BCE and CE from BC and AD. -Pnkrockr 17:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

"Personally, I prefer the secular naming convetion over the traditional one" Ridiculous, you must be a member of the ACLU.


 * Is it possible to use both terms when referring to Before Christ and Anno Dommini.

I'm old school, but mostly old, and had no idea what in the sam hill this CE stuff meant. The writers totally lost me. 0159 24 Nov 2008 EST

Rename page
I propose renaming the article due to a name clash with Pax Romana ICMICA/MIIC http://www.paxromana.org/

Pax Romana the historical period currently has no sources. What is its significance? Pax Romana the organisation is a longstanding active organisation. SmokeyJoe 00:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Pax Romana
Was it actually a real policy or was the tranquility pure coincidence? Mallerd 13:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It is modern, disputed term that is retroactively applied. I wonder who came with it.Hoshidoshi 17:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "Pax Romana" is an idea first presented by Edward Gibbon in the first chapter of The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

If it is disputed, can you tell in what way please? Mallerd 16:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Points of dispute clearly are:
 * Whether the Empire intentionally pursued a policy of "moderation" or whether this was due to outside factors. It is especially questionable to put the recalling of various generals in a light of "moderation". More often this was due to Emperor mistrusting these generals.
 * Wars were not absent from the Pax Romana period. As the article notes, Trajan conquered Mesopotamia. Later, Marcus Aurelius tried to conquer what today is Czechia.
 * What's even more dubious is Gibbon placing the end in 180. That year actually marked the beginnin of peace as Commodus ended his father's war of conquest and concluded a peace (and was much criticized for it). Just because Aurelius is the philosopher and Commodus the monster doesn't make ther former reign one of peace or the latter one full of war.
 * Str1977 (talk) 09:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I understand, thank you very much Mallerd (talk) 23:23, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire is available a free ebook on eBooks@Adelaide including the first chapter referred to above. It does seem as though Gibbon described the concept here, but note that he does not use the term "Pax Romona". According to the online OED the earliest reference in English is from Fraser's Magazine "1853 Fraser's Mag. Mar. 291/1 Within its ample circumference [sc. the Roman world] the Pax Romana abode securely." laurens (talk) 13:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Pax Americana
In this article, "Pax Americana" is described as having ended in 2001. In the Pax Americana article there is no mention of its end. The "2001" should be removed unless good reason is given. TornVictor 11:44, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 9/11? Arch O. La  Grigory Deepdelver  18:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Missing text?
There seems to be missing text from this article. E.g. a paragraph ending with "However," etc. Is it vandalism, or is this article merely under construction? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.83.113.36 (talk) 19:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, just sloppy editing: . Arch O. La  Grigory Deepdelver  19:15, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

PAX Bostonia
Considering the variations of Latin peacetime phrases over the centuries is there room for a sports-oriented PAX Bostonia since the Boston sports scene has ascended to such dominant tranquility with all 5 pro teams reaching the playoffs or winning their titles: Bruins, Celtics, Patriots, Red Sox & Revolution, with only the Bruins not quite reaching the championship game. Additionally, Boston College Football ranked #2 last fall and BC Hockey won the NCAA Frozen Four. As far as I know, at no time in the history of this planet has one city's athletics been so dominant. With so much success is it time for Bostonians to recognize this era of PAX Bostonia?

SupahFans (talk) 04:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)Kevin@SupahFans.com

Similar Terms
I removed the section we have a box thingy called "List of periods of regional peace", which is included at the bottom of the page, and encompasses more terms than the section did.
 * ——67.180.86.254 (talk) 00:06, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

"As an example, the German Empire's imperial peace of 1871 (over its internal components like Saxony) slowly evolved into the later German state. " what is that supposed to mean? the german state was founded in 1871. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.41.128.68 (talk) 13:21, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Pax Soprana?
I love The Sopranos as much as the next guy, and I hesitate to delete content that is not wrong. But when Pax (Paxi? Paces?) Americana, Britannica, Hispanica, Mongolica, Ottomana and Sinica make do with a link, is a detailed description of the marginally relevant 'Pax Soprana' really necessary?DaveDaytona (talk) 21:19, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Is an episode of a TV drama really comparable to centuries of (supposed) peace of entire nations? I propose to delete the entire 'popular culture' section.  Stepho   (talk) 05:10, 12 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree. This is not really relevant in any way for the topic of this article. Especially not with such a detailed summary. --Saddhiyama (talk) 08:49, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Beginning of Pax Romana?
The article says that the exact dates of Pax Romana are a matter of discussion, with beginning dates ranging from hundreds of years BC to almost the end of the 1st century AD. This seems reasonable. In the next paragraph, it announces: "The Pax Romana started after Octavian (Augustus) met and defeated Mark Antony in the Battle of Actium on 2 September 31 BCE." I have marked this as "citation needed." I think it should be removed and replaced with something that doesn't offer any unjustified conclusions about exactly when Pax Romana began. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.170.197.35 (talk) 09:24, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

The source from Walter Goffart doesn't actually say that the beginning of the Pax Roman was 70 AD, it just says that the Cambridge Ancient History chose that date for a break between volumes in their series. I don't believe anyone would question that the period characterized as the 'Roman Peace' (or as Eckstein says, the 'standard textbook dates') began with Augustus, and was an important aspect of his imperial propaganda. JerryRussell (talk) 17:38, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

The dates for Pax Romana are shown as 27 BC to 180 AD and those dates differ depending on the source you check. In "Worlds Together Worlds Apart" the start and end dates for the Pax Romana was 25 BCE to 235 CE. I still see that there is a conflicting date between the Pax Romana start and end dates from the beginning of the article to the section that talks about its start in 31 BC after Octavian defeated Mark Anthony and Cleopatra. This article is part of many WikiProjects. The article was rated as "start-class" on the quality scale for WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome, WikiProject History, WikiProject Rome, WikiProject International Relations and WikiProject Politics. WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome rated the article as "high-importance", WikiProject History and WikiProject Rome rated the article as "top-importance" and WikiProject International Relations and WikiProject Politics have not yet rated the article on the importance scale. William.flood (talk) 04:36, 8 November 2017 (UTC)William.flood

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Opening sentance and meaning of "peace"
Hi, the user Barjimoa has just replaced the now re-established sentance with the following:"The Pax Romana (Latin for "Roman Peace") is a roughly 200-year-long period in Roman history which is identified with the absence of civil wars, with the exception of the year of four emperors."

I undid the edit because it does not contradict or change the previous statement other than narrowing it down to one event.

I guess this change and the introducing sentance are about the nature and scope of "pax", and if the first sentance should reflect that.

For the record I think the available information in the arricle and on wikipedia alone provides that this time was as diverse as the current sentance attempts to say.

That said there might be a better sentance to express this. Nsae Comp (talk) 23:37, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

"In fiction" section
All of these are unreferenced, so I suggest we nuke the section. If there are no objections, I'll get back to it in a few days.


 * Isaac Asimov's fictional Galactic Empire and Foundation series refers to Pax Trantoria and Pax Imperium.
 * Pax Soprana is the sixth episode of the HBO original series The Sopranos.
 * In Magi: The Labyrinth of Magic, Reim's Peace is the Reim Empire's version of Pax Romana, established about 200 years prior to the events of the series by Empress Scheherazade. Reim is a nation based on the Roman Empire.
 * In the Street Fighter movie, antagonist M. Bison's ultimate goal is to unite the world "under the grip of Pax Bisonica".
 * In Fallout: New Vegas, Caesar aims to use his Roman-style army to create a new Pax Romana across the Mojave Wasteland.
 * First episode of season 4 of Gotham is known as "Pax Penguina".

Thanks. byteflush Talk 02:20, 20 November 2022 (UTC)


 * As per my edit summary, I actually decided to just go WP:BOLD with this. If there are any objections, please raise them here. byteflush Talk 02:24, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

History
T 42.110.228.133 (talk) 16:24, 8 February 2023 (UTC)