Talk:People mover

Earliest APMs
Although some of the earliest APMs created one-way loops in theme parks and the infamous downtown Detroit "Mover", this configuration is by no means the majority. Thus the term APM to the informed does NOT imply a one-way loop. More typically, they are two way corridors of different scale with 3-20 stations. To those envisioning PRT, they are flexible networks of one-way links that can be configured and reconfigured to serve an array of destinations. For a complete listing of APMs, visit http://www.airfront.us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.166.232.57 (talk • contribs) 13:51, 8 April 2005 (UTC)

A People Mover is NOT Light Rail
The Detroit People Mover is defined by APTA as an automated guideway transit system, and these are NOT light rail

>People movers can use light rail technology and systems, however not all people movers are light rail and not all light rail sytems are people movers (although they do move people) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.173.203.140 (talk • contribs) 18:03, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Huntsville, AL
We have what the website calls a 'tram' at Huntsville Hospital in Huntsville, AL but it is more like a "people mover" - so should I add it to this article? It has about 1600 feet of track, though it doesn't seem like you have to have a specific amount to qualify. It is one of the first people movers in the state of Alabama, and the second hospital to use such a thing. For now I will place this under the Other category unless someone wants to move it to Hospitals--Travlr23 03:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Work
This is a good start.

The most important improvement to make is to define terms much more carefully. Is "People Mover" a proper or common noun? For example, what is the relationship with AGTs, PRTs, and LRTs? Is an APM an "Automated People Mover"? What makes something a "Downtown People Mover"?

Finally, I strongly urge moving the "Different Meanings" section to the top, perhaps as a pseudo-disambiguation block.

Mdotley 17:21, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

'People movers" is a generic term that has been in use at least since 1949. It was used to describe Subway cars ,moving side walks (Speedwalks), passenger conveyor systems (Carveyor), elevators and almost every method of moving groups of people that anyone has conceived. The fact that Disney chose to name it's system PeopleMover seems to be what is confusing wveryone.     User Al Neilson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Al Neilson (talk • contribs) 22:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

APM versus PRT
I think a clear difference should be made between PRT (Personal Rapid Transit) and APM (Automated People Mover). While PRT systems have a separate and specificly made guideway, APM's like the ParkShuttle at Schipoll Airport, are capable of using the existing road infrastructure, detecting and avoiding obstacles, using flexible routing. Even if some segregation is necessary between these kind of APM, infrastructure must not be elevated, which is a great advantage compared to PRT's visually intrusive and theoretically cheap infrastructure. Even though PRT uses automated vehicles, it cannot be qualified of APM because of it's need of specific infrastructure and therefore it's dependance on it. That's, PRT cannot exist without the specific infractructure being built, while APM systems can. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.93.62.248 (talk • contribs) 11:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Merger proposal (with automated guideway transit)

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It has been suggested that Automated guideway transit be merged into this article.

For

 * 1) Proposed because they are basically the same thing. -- Booksworm 21 November 2006 (UTC) (transcribed from history)

Against

 * 1) They are not basically the same thing. The term people mover describes an application of transit technology; as the article itself says the term does not imply any particular technology, and a people mover may use technologies such as monorail, duorail, automated guideway transit or maglev. Whilst automated guideway technology is a specific piece of technology, in which rubber-tired vehicles are guided, usually by horizontally running guide wheels, on a guideway. Not all AGTs are people movers; not all people movers are AGTs. -- Chris j wood 12:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Conclusion
The suggestion for page merge failed, as it failed to achieve a consensus in two weeks. -- Chris j wood 12:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


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People Mover is NOT a generic term!
The term "People Mover" was, at one time, a trademarked term for a transit system which was produced by Westinghouse. It is not a generic term, and certainly does imply a certain technology despite the claims of this article. The trademark associated with the term has fallen to de facto (if not de jure) expiration, as of course Westinghouse is no longer able to protect its trademarks. Still, I think this article should recognize this fact. -- JeffBillman 17:35, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Strange list for France
I think whoever created the list of people movers in France forgot to read the article first. They have listed every tramway and metro system in France; even including Caen's GLT guided bus. Here is the list as it currently appears:


 * Laon • Lille •  Lyon •  Marseille •  Paris •  Rennes •  Toulouse
 * Bordeaux • Grenoble •  Le Mans •  Lille •  Lyon •  Marseille •  Montpellier •  Mulhouse •  Nantes •  Nice •  Orléans •  Paris •  Rouen •  Saint-Étienne •  Strasbourg •  Valenciennes
 * Caen

Most of these fail at the first hurdle. The article says:


 * A people mover or automated people mover (APM) is a fully automated, grade-separated mass transit system.

The tramways (and GLT) are neither automated nor grade-separated. The Paris, Lyon and Marseille metros are grade-separated but not fully automated. They use fairly traditional metro technology, albeit with the use of rubber tyres. Then it gets a bit more difficult; we have to consider the following from the article:


 * The term is generally used only to describe systems serving relatively small areas such as airports, downtown districts or theme parks, but is sometimes applied to considerably more complex automated systems.

and


 * Other complex APMs have similar characteristics to mass transit systems, and there is no clear cut distinction between a complex APM of this type and an automated mass transit system.

I think the Laon system pretty clearly is a people mover. Not so sure about the VAL systems in Lille, Rennes and Tolouse. I personally think that the very fact they describe themselves as metros should rule them out as people movers, but I'm not certain enough about this to pull them. So I'm going to edit the above list to:


 * Laon
 * Lille
 * Rennes
 * Toulouse

-- Starbois (talk) 14:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. In slightly different format. If somebody wants to pull Lille, Rennes and Toulouse, I certainly shall not object. -- Starbois (talk) 14:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Ironically, the article was so busy listing systems that wern't people movers that it missed two that were (Orlyval and CDGVAL). Now added. -- Starbois (talk) 15:10, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Examples Section Clean Up
The "Examples" section, needs to be better organized to differentiate between true "Urban Transit", "Airport", and other lines that serve locales like resorts and hospitals. Currently, there seems to be too much bleed over in these categories. Perhaps, separate articles listing these systems are in order, as is currently only the case with airport systems. In my opinion, more care must also be taken to delineate complex full metro networks from simpler people mover systems, when deciding what is included in this listing (i.e. the Kelana Jaya Line vs. the Miami Metro Mover or CDGVAL).

Enfiladekh1 (talk) 02:59, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

SkyTrain & Scarborough RT are People Movers?
These systems seem to be more like automated rapid transit systems than a simple people-mover. Very few folks in the Toronto Metro area and Vancouver would refer to these systems as a "people-mover” systems. G. Capo (talk) 20:13, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

An Appropriate link
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 * Archive Footage of the Never Stop Railway at You Tube] courtsey of [[British Pathe

Appropriate or not? given that it seems to be authorised footage... Sfan00 IMG (talk) 21:28, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

PIT Pittsburgh International Airport
PIT has an automated subway train between the landside and airside terminals. 208.103.112.69 (talk) 16:54, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_International_Airport_People_Movers 208.103.112.69 (talk) 16:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Automation
I deleted the redundant "fully automated" from the definition in the lead. For a start, it's not necessary to use the word "automated" twice in the same sentence. The second sentence clearly allows for some systems to be automated. And a number of the systems listed cannot be said to be fully, or even partially, automated.--Shantavira|feed me 10:56, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Airside people mover removal
Mentions of ExpressTram, The Plane Train, and a picture of DFW Skylink were removed the summary "Removing mentions of People Movers that are located inside airport security". , would you be able to expand on your thoughts about why this helps the article? —Sladen (talk) 08:56, 18 October 2015 (UTC) Posting here because User talk:Elisfkc appears to get blanked]].


 * The section is Urban Transit with the airport section below that. The ExpressTram, The Plane Train, and DFW Skylink are not really Urban Transit, considering they exist solely at the airport and only link inside security. They are mentioned in the List of airport people mover systems linked in the Airport section of the article. Also, I only blank my user talk after the issues are resolved and have been for awhile. Elisfkc (talk) 01:17, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Also, Hogwarts Express is not urban transit. I moved it down to the Other section, where Disney's PeopleMover and Tomorrowland Transit Authority are located. Elisfkc (talk) 01:25, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

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"considered as people movers" by whom?
I added to the "The following are monorails which are considered as people movers also" as the ones with only have one station are little different from the other gentle rides in an amusement park. Surely a people mover has to have at least two stations? If it only has one the rider may move for a while but ultimately must they end up in the same place.

Of the list there only the following seem to qualify on the two station criteria.
 * Anaheim, California - Amusement park monorail at Disneyland Monorail System
 * Bay Lake, Florida - Amusement park monorail at Walt Disney World Monorail System
 * Aiea, Hawaii - Pearlridge Center. Connects the Uptown part of the mall to the Downtown part of the mall. It is the only monorail system in Hawaii.
 * Fairfield, Ohio - Jungle Jim's International Market monorail in Fairfield
 * Memphis, Tennessee - A short suspended monorail connects Mud Island in the Mississippi River to Memphis

I propose to delete the others. Tjej (talk) 10:10, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You're right, go ahead. You might also delete the remaining Disney two as they also seem to qualify only as amusement park rides. The three remaining could then be moved back to the main US list. Bazza (talk) 10:26, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I made those changed and removed the references to the Disney parks' "people movers". Maybe a note should be added about them because they have a role in popular consciousness?  They are a kind of demonstration of a people mover and the same technology was used in the Subway_(George_Bush_Intercontinental_Airport). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjej (talk • contribs) 11:27, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 23 April 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) &#126;~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:55, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

People mover → Automated people mover – The proper industry term for this type of transport is "automated people mover" (or APM). This term is used by the American Society of Civil Engineers and the Transportation Research Board, in addition to APM manufacturers such as Siemens and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. The term "people mover" is a bit generic and can refer to other types of transport such as a moving walkway, an elevator (e.g. the Schmid Peoplemover) or buses (e.g. People Mover (Anchorage) or Niagara Parks Commission People Mover). – Dream out loud (talk) 20:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose Google Ngrams shows fairly low usage of the "automated people mover" term, therefore moving would violate WP:COMMONNAME. A cursory search shows low or no usage of it in news either. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Is this what you're referring to? The term "people mover" may be more popular, but it was often used in a different context to refer to a different type of transport, as I mentioned above.  You can also see that since 1980, the term "people mover" has seen a decrease in usage, while the usage of "automated people mover" has remained somewhat constant. – Dream out loud  (talk) 17:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. "People mover" is ambiguous, (IMHO) a bit old-fashioned and also quite American, I've rarely if ever heard the term used elsewhere. It's noteworthy that the article itself already uses the term "APM" quite consistently, not "people mover". The abbreviation APM is also very common particularly in the industry, probably more so than the full term (cf. ATM).
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. I agree it can also refer to a Moving walkway, but the proposed name provides no more accuracy, as that too is automated. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:42, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * "Automated people mover" is a well defined industry term. Can you find a single WP:RS that refers to a moving walkway as an APM? Jpatokal (talk) 11:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * But is it a common term outside the specialist industry? I don't think so. And is it unambiguous? Likewise. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - most people movers are automatic. Aitraintheeditorandgamer (talk) 10:35, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm struggling to think of any that are manually operated; certainly none since the 1980s. Jpatokal (talk) 11:39, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge to automated guideway transit. The problem here is that this is really just a colloquial reference to an instance of the more common subject. BD2412  T 18:27, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per BD2412. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 19:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose move, per the opposes above, and because a people mover doesn't necessarily have to be automated (the first incarnation of the United States Capitol subway system was manually operated, for example, and the Disney monorails have operators despite being considered people movers). Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Trainsandotherthings. I'm skeptical of a merge as well - this seems a valid spin-off of the topic.  SnowFire (talk) 15:34, 2 May 2024 (UTC)