Talk:Perm

Requested move 4 December 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Consensus that the city is not the primary topic, and a weaker consensus to put the dab at primary. Opposers haven't attempted to contest Crouch's original point that the city is not primary in reliable sources, even discounting pageviews. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  19:51, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

– No clear primary topic, Perm (hairstyle) gets more views (10,572) than the city (9,096) and Permutation gets 25,649 and Permian gets 18,367 though the last 2 probably aren't called "Perm" that much and the period derives from the city those meanings also have considerable long-term significance. Google only shows the hairstyle as does Images, Books is split between the hairstyle and city. An alternative target is Perm (city).  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:49, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Perm (disambiguation) → Perm
 * Perm → Perm, Russia
 * Oppose first, support second Perm (hairstyle) is clearly primary by pageviews and should be moved to Perm. The other disambiguation entries are either partial title matches or have significantly less pageviews.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:26, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't go that far, a 10,572 v 9,096 page views (even if some of the latter are from errors) isn't significant and such as move would cause numerous problems with external links and the city also has long-term significance.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:46, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support both per nom. NO clear primary topic (neither the hairstyle nor the city). Move disambiguation page to basename, as proposed Paintspot Infez (talk) 20:01, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support both, although I have a feeling the hairstyle is primary by long-term significance. Maybe we can review this at a later date, as I feel the page views are skewed.--Ortizesp (talk) 22:54, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose to both - I am floored; this is exactly the situation that WP:NWFCTM was written about. This is a city of more than one million people! Had I ever heard of it before? Nope. But that's my ignorance, nothing more. There is no way that a method of styling hair named Birmingham or Manchester would ever, ever, ever displace those cities from primacy, regardless of page views or Google image results. The fact that our page views are biased towards English speakers does not detract from the long-term educational significance of a city of over a million people. Perm should stay where it is. Red   Slash  23:07, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd heard of the city before the hair style. To be quite honest if there was a hair style called "Birmingham" then combined with the Alabama city I would expect it would be displaced.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 23:12, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Am I missing something? A million people is a lot, but fairly small-scale for a modern city. "Fourteenth-largest city in Russia" isn't exactly something that would send you running to make it the primary topic, especially since for locations, natural disambiguation is a thing.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 13:53, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The city in Russia is the WP:primary topic by long-term significance. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:41, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Support. The city and hairstyle both have long-term significance, and they have comparable pageviews. Nothing flooring here or having anything to do with WP:NWFCTM. Simple case of no primary topic. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:36, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I only found out about the hairstyle from looking up the city and I only found out about the city from looking up the earth age.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:30, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

"Permi" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Permi. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 11 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  20:59, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

"Permy" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Permy. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 11 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  21:18, 11 December 2020 (UTC)