Talk:Persecution

"Contemporary Nazism in Iran"
There is a vandal who keeps anonymously editing this page to fit their agenda. Hashshashin 16:14, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Edited article to better prevent Godwin's Law from taking over Kendrick7 18:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Please add a link to mobbing.ca
Persecution is persistent mistreatment of an individual or group by another group.

This is the very definition of mobbing. Mobbing is a form of persecution which takes place in the workplace. You can find more information at http://mobbing.ca There is also a feature article called "Mobbing: A Familiar Pattern" (http://members.shaw.ca/mobbing/mobbingCA/patterns-1.htm) which explains the correlation between the mobbing process and the process used to persecute the Jews (and others) in Nazi Germany.

For your convenience here is the link you can add to "External links":
 * mobbing.ca (Mobbing resources in Canada)

Radyx 22:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but no. Mobbing is a form of bullying, which is sufficiently different, that including it in the main article here would be an error. Perhaps in the see also section, where it would be clear that it is a separate issue. Chrisco.oyle 23:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay thanks, I'll add it there. That makes sense. Radyx 17:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I've removed the mobbing.ca link because it doesn't seem to be significant enough to warrant a mention in a general article on persecution. I'm not even sure if the word mobbing, as they use it, is a well-recognized term.KonradG 04:31, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

german:Nacheile
I removed the Interwiki Link to "Nacheile", because that's another thing, meaning something like "chasing a gangster by law enforcement". The korrekt Translation is "Verfolgung" but this term has a much broader meaning. Thematically matching german WP articles are "Christenverfolgung" or "Judenverfolgung" but these are much more specific. I don't think there is a german WP article or even a german word with the exact meaning of Persecution. Vice versa I removed the Interwiki Link to "Persecution" from the german article "Nacheile". Obviously some robot found that (wrong) link and made all even wronger :-) --84.58.57.49 00:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Fixed. How do you smack a bot? ... ;-) --217.186.137.143 (talk) 20:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

A few things I'd like to bring up
Why is the section on German persecution so much bigger than the section on Jewish persecution? Maybe history can speak for itself, but I would think the Germans should be on the list of persecutors before they are even on this list.

I would expand the Jewish persecution section, except that I am relatively new and would feel better if someone more senior who has been on this website for a while did it. Seriously though, when you think the word persecution, what peoples do you think of first? The jews have suffered countless centuries of persecution at the hands of most of this planets races.Hebrewpridehebrewpower (talk) 11:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Additional food for thought: What about the persecution of cannabis users for political goals (Regan's just say no, the Hearst, DuPont lobbied motivations, see The emperor wears no clothes for additional info), or the persecution of civilian servicemen, sexual minorities and such? I would think there are more cannabis users in the world than Jews or such. --82.181.226.171 (talk) 18:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Reverted to restore formatting
The previous edit (May 15) created serious formatting problems, with half the table of contents and article material bumped to below the references. I've reverted it to get rid of the formatting problems, but may in the process have reverted content that should have stayed. Steorra (talk) 02:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism in this article
This article appears to have been vandalized as of the last edit. An admin please undo the edit and place a warning notice on the user's page if applicable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.3.81.179 (talk) 05:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Persecution by Christians
"It should be noted that Christians have partaken in the persecution themselves. Throughout history it is estimated that Christians have killed just as many themselves, due to religious intolerance, as they have lost."

The source for the caveat is not sufficient--this website cannot substantiate such a claim that Christians have killed ~70 million people "due to religious intolerance." Furthermore, this website lists military campaigns and world events that cannot simply be labeled acts of systematic religious intolerance. This aside, there are no caveats of this sort in any of the other sections--this appears to be targeted polemic intended to mitigate sympathy, uncharacteristic of the rest of the article. RWZero (talk) 09:37, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * RWZero, you haven't heard of the Crusades, half of which were against other Europeans? Crusades such as the Northern Crusades, the Cathars in the Albigensian Crusade, the Anti-Hussite Crusades, the persecution of the Huguenots or the Fourth Crusade where the Western Europeans destroyed Constantinople?  You should get out more...  Read a newspaper occasionally, that kind of thing. The Christians have an enormous history of persecution...  Did you ever hear of the Indians? No, probably not... That wasn't persecution?  Stevenmitchell (talk) 19:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Edited Mormon persecution
Corrected grammar, added details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.86.145.83 (talk) 22:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I moved the Mormon section and the Jehova's Witness section to subsections under Christianity. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 01:30, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Persecution of Catholics
Shouldn't the article mention the persecution of Catholics in the earlier United States (18 and 19th centyru) and the KKK persecution against Catholics? --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 02:13, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Persecution against Homosexuals
Given the fact that in many countries Homosexuals are denied the right to Marry, Adopt, or even visit their partner's bedside in the hospital, a section on the persecution of homosexuals is in order. In particular given the fact that in some countries, homosexuality is punishable by death. Well documented instances of hate speech and propaganda against homosexuals also makes it worth noting, with slogans like "AIDS CURES FAGS" being well documented by the media. --67.58.84.222 (talk) 01:28, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, persecution of homosexuals would be very appropriate for this article since it is widespread and has a huge history throughout the world, including the United States. Although, it is less frequent now than it was 30 or 40 years ago, certainly the Stonewall riots (or whatever it was called) would be indicative of that.  Even Nazi Germany openly persecuted homosexuals so there should be a fairly large contribution to this topic.  I am sure that many other countries have or even still have systematic, well-documented persecutions of homosexuals... Stevenmitchell (talk) 19:09, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, this should be added to the article. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 01:29, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Persecution Against Germans
There should be some mention in this article of the English aristocracy, who were of German lineage (i.e. the Hapsburgs...) changing their Germanic names to Anglicized versions following or during the hostilities of World War I... Stevenmitchell (talk) 19:10, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

American Indians?
I have to say, I find it .. interesting that there is no mention of the persecution of natives in the Americas. I understand that every single instance in all of human history cannot be included in this article, but to have nothing on the Indians, or, now I think of it, the Japanese-Americans during WWII, seems an oversight. 209.6.79.210 (talk) 15:00, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

AfD at Definitions of Pogrom
Hi everyone, we'd be grateful for your thoughts at Articles for deletion/Definitions of Pogrom. Oncenawhile (talk) 18:40, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Pagans?
Hey guys. I couldn't help but notice that you're leaving out pagans, who have been persecuted violently for millennium and continue to be persecuted to this day. Instances such as the Celtic Conversion of the Roman Empire and a number of so called witch trials deserve a mention. The conflict in Sudan and Mauritania is also in some ways a modern act of persecution, as it was aimed at Christians and traditional Pagans. Not to mention they are still persecuted by rule of law in places like the Arab World, certain parts of Africa, South America, and in Israel.99.21.184.110 (talk) 02:38, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

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The United Nations?
"In 2011, the United Nations passed its first resolution recognizing LGBT rights, and in 2015 legalized same-sex marriage in all states."

The United Nations legalized same-sex marriage?! GeneCallahan (talk) 22:57, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

I suspect it is the United States which legalized "same-sex marriage in all states". It was legalized in consequence of the Obergefell v. Hodges legal case of 2015.

I am not sure what is the stance of the United Nations on LGBT rights, but I am quite certain that only a minority of its states have legalized same-sex marriage. Per our article on the subject, the only states who have legalized it are Argentina, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Colombia, Denmark, Finland, France, Iceland, Ireland, Luxembourg, Mexico (not in all states), the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, South Africa, Spain, the United Kingdom (excluding Northern Ireland), the United States, and Uruguay. They are only 21 states, but the United Nations currently has 193 member states. Note also that these 21 states are only positioned in Africa, Europe, North America, Oceania, and South America. Apparently not a single state in Asia has legalized it yet. Dimadick (talk) 08:14, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Persecution based on military service?
I think this bit is misconstrued. The way Israeli society treats people who avoid military service cannot be labeled as "persecution". It is highly inapplicable to the article and should be removed. AvihooI (talk) 18:22, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

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Practicality of listing examples of persecution
You might find that any list of examples of persecution mainly demonstrates that there is no limit to the length of such a list, and that whatever is overlooked or omitted will simply serve to de-legitimize the article. For example, in addition to the already-cited absence of an entry for Native Americans, there is also the absence of an entry for African-Americans and dark-skinned people generally in the United States. Further, if you include European persecution of Native Americans, how can you not go on to include the persecution of one group of Native Americans by a different group of Native Americans, or one group of European immigrants by a different group of European immigrants?

It might be that a more useful and less open-ended approach would be to focus on defining persecution in a way that would allow both the persecuted and the persecutors to recognize that the word applies to the interactions between them. For example, is the concept of "justice" at all useful or relevant in defining persecution? The persecutors no doubt consider it justice. Since justice is subjective and specific to each party in any argument, then perhaps "justice" is not a relevant parameter in identifying persecution. So what ARE the relevant parameters? That might be more useful than an impossible-to-complete list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14B:4302:1380:854D:307D:8A63:8250 (talk) 19:32, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Ideological persecution
The article would benefit from including a section on ideological persecution (Communist, Nazist etc.). --TadejM my talk 20:43, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Persecution of non-humans
Shouldn't some mention be made of the widespread persecution of non-human animals? That would seem to be by far the largest cohort of victims. 77.103.23.89 (talk) 07:53, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Picture
The main picture at the top of the article should be changed. Most persecution is of religion or race; I feel like throwing a picture of political "persecution" could confuse readers with political violence. LuxembourgLover (talk) 02:52, 15 January 2024 (UTC)