Talk:Persecution of Hindus

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December, 2021
The following addition to "Mughal" section was removed without due reasoning,

There are however reports of Akbar plundering temples and defacing hindu idols after his conquest of Chittoor. Subsequent Mughal Rulers like Shah Jahan are also reported to have demolished temples, broken down hindu idols and killed Brahmins during his rule.

Semi protected edit request 01/06/2023, Misinformation in Article
There is much misinfo in this article ,for example much of the list of massacres shown on the incidents list, are not due to anti hindu religious violence such as the killing of bengali hindus in assam , this was done by assamese hindus and was a ethnic violence, furthermore other cases are political rather than religious like the murder of shanti kali. Most of the evidence has been blown out of proportion to make it seem like hinduphobia is rampant in india which is far from the truth .The article focuses way more on killings of hindus in india espcially historical ones which have been taken out of context and lacks information of actual relevant hinduphobia that happens in pakistan ,bangladesh and afghanistan. 81.104.76.253 (talk) 09:56, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2023
Please revert this unexplained deletion, made with the misleading edit summary "facebook not a reliable source". 2A00:23EE:19C8:BA81:48C:2DFF:FEC5:9914 (talk) 20:53, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

✅, with some modifications for better coherence with actual source (India Today): In September 2017, India Today reported that mass graves with bodies of 45 Hindus had been found in Rakhine, and that Hindu Rohingyas faced forced conversions to Islam in Bangladeshi refugee camps at the hands of Muslim Rohingyas.

Xan747 (talk) 23:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2023
Change "According to Teotónio de Souza, Hindus faced some persecution along with some fortitude under the Portuguese in Goa." to "According to P. P. Shirodkar, Hindus faced some persecution along with some fortitude under the Portuguese in Goa." The cited source is available on Google Books, that chapter of the book was written by P. P. Shirodkar and not Teotónio de Souza. The second mention of Teotónio de Souza at the end of the same paragraph also has to be changed to P. P. Shirodkar, for the same reason. 49.15.230.55 (talk) 08:37, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Pinchme123 (talk) 04:06, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Lead changes
You need to have consensus. TrangaBellam (talk) 09:42, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * ''Here is a proposed version of the lead with widely accepted information from High quality WP:RS sources. Please User:Kautilya3, could you take note, and revise the lead. Thanks RogerYg (talk) 10:11, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Hindus have experienced both historical and ongoing religious persecution and systematic violence, in the form of forced conversions, documented massacres, genocides, demolition and desecration of temples, as well as the destruction of educational centers.

In the medieval period, some Muslim rulers viewed the expansion of Islamic rule in the Indian sub-continent as a religious conquest ("holy war") against the Hindus (infidels), and desecrated many Hindu temples. During the British rule, Hindu communities lived in a relative calm until the violent partition of India in 1947, which was accompanied by communal riots and large scale displacement.

In modern times, thousands of Hindu Bengalis, were killed along with other Bengalis in the 1971 Bangladesh genocide by Pakistani soldiers. In 1990, over 100,000 Kashmiri Hindus, had to flee from their homes in the Kashmir Valley for safety amid sporadic killings by militants , and many Kashmiri Hindus ended up living in refugee camps in Jammu.


 * If anyone has any concerns, please discuss them here RogerYg (talk) 09:57, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Jackson never says that medieval Muslim rulers were persecuting Hindus. TrangaBellam (talk) 11:05, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, Peter Jackson has mentioned (on the cited pages) that the Muslim historians of the medieval era viewed the creation and expansion of Islamic Sultanates in Hindustan as "holy war" and a religious conquest, characterizing Muslim forces as "the army of Islam" and the Hindus as infidels. Though, you may be right that Jackson's opinion was that these claims are exaggerated. RogerYg (talk) 04:09, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree that Jackson's reference alone may not be sufficient in the lead, and I can add several other more relevant references, such as Durant, who has called the Muslim conquest of India "probably the bloodiest story in history". RogerYg (talk) 04:13, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Remove Re-organization notice
The Cleanup reorganize|date=January 2020 notice has been up since 2020. The article layout has since been imrpoved and I think this notice should be removed RogerYg (talk) 09:59, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2023
In "Bangladesh" section, please do the following.

Replace the existing "see also" navigation template with the following two templates
 * Action-1:

-- Added Freedom of religion in Bangladesh & Bangladesh Genocide as they are a direct relevant link, other links are sub-headings & aliases that may not be needed and even may be confusing RogerYg (talk) 04:45, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * DONE unless argued otherwise. Please provide more relevant reasons if you re-raise the request RogerYg
 * Action-2:

Malaun (from arabic for "accursed") is a pejorative term for Bengali Hindus, most commonly used in Bangladesh by Bengali Muslims. Percentage of Muslims is continuously rising, while all non-muslim minorities have been continuously decreasing rapidly in Bangladesh due to various reasons including persecution, genocide, ethnic cleansing and rapes. Since 1951, Hindu population decreased by 15.1% in 71 years, and during the same period Muslim population increased by exactly by the same 15.1% (76% to 91.1%). Percentage of Hindus declined more than two third (over 67% drop) in 71 years, i.e. from 22% of total population of Bangladesh in 1951 to 13.5% in 1974 (8.5% decrease in 20 years), and then to drop again to 6.9% in 2022 (further 1.6% decrease). Hindus and others have been regularly and systematically persecuted, such as during the Bangladesh genocide, Bangladesh Liberation War and numerous recurring massacres of civilians      where rapes is also used as weapon. Active perpetrators of genocide, ethnic cleansing and rapes of Hindus in Bangladesh include the Pakistani Military, Al Badr, Al Sham, East Pakistan Central Peace Committee, Razakars, Muslim League, Jamaat-e-Islami, and the Urdu-speaking Biharis.

Thank you. 119.74.238.54 (talk) 10:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

-- Included the part directly relevant to Hindu persecution ie. the declining numbers.


 * Can be considered DONE unless argued otherwise. RogerYg (talk) 04:45, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Change "India" to "Post-Independence India"
The sub-title India is very vague. It follows the Medieval India, and British India; and refers to post-Independence India. Therefore, the appropriate subtitle is: Post-Independence India. If anyone has any issue with that you may discuss here. RogerYg (talk) 11:36, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

History
False history of Aurangzeb is seems to be added in Wikipedia,must be corrected by any impartial historian to maintain credibility of Wikipedia 223.233.83.104 (talk) 02:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Opening paragraphs in "Medieval India"
There is little clarity and flow in this section, in my view.

As an example:

While there is a tendency to view the Muslim conquests and Muslim empires as a prolonged period of violence against Hindu culture, Durant called the Muslim conquest of India "probably the bloodiest story in history" in between the periods of wars and conquests, there were harmonious Hindu-Muslim relations in most Indian communities, and the Indian population grew during the medieval Muslim times. No populations were expelled based on their religion by either the Muslim or Hindu kings, nor were attempts made to annihilate a specific religion.

It says "While there is" which suggests the claim is more disputed than it might appear. Then it gives a historian who in fact agrees with the claim that it's the bloodiest in history. But then it ends with the a citation that disputes that particular claim.

The succeeding paragraphs are similar, with over-quotations of Romila Thapar's point of view, which have little to do with historical facts. As an example, the quotation of upper caste Hindus being lumped together with lower caste Hindus, and their perception of history and persecution as a result. This could be put into a different section if needed, but as an example, the historian Durant is not an "upper caste Hindu", and there are many other western Indologists quoted throughout the article which reduce Thapar's claim to more of a viewpoint epistemology than factual.

This is yet another quotation from the opening paragraphs:

She questions what persecution means, and if it means religious conversions, she doubts that conversions can be interpreted as forms of persecution. According to Thapar, it is quite correct to mention that Muslim iconoclasts destroyed temples and the broke images of Hindus but it should also be mentioned that Muslim rulers made donations to Hindu sects during their rule.

The article, specifically, is about Hindu persecution. Why does it need to be mentioned in the introductory paragraphs that Muslim donations were also made to Hindu sects? It does not invalidate Hindu persecution at their hands. And why does the question of "what persecution means" need to be mentioned when there are many factual claims in the proceeding paragraphs?

I'm writing this to point out that there's been clear edit warring going on, based on politics. I'd like this section to be edited with consensus, and the points of view can be moved to a later section. Indosociology111 (talk) 09:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I've also changed the claim that "Hindutva allies" dub it a Hindu holocaust, when the sources had only one journalist who said so. This isn't the place for proving your political point. Not all claims about Hindu persecution are coming from "Hindutva allies", and there's an equal amount of misinformation from the "other side", if I may. Indosociology111 (talk) 09:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)