Talk:Pervez Hoodbhoy

Additional Info
I have added additional info here. He is an important personality in Pakistan and should be given more space. I am gathering further info on him. Tuctuc —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuctuc (talk • contribs) 11:29, February 22, 2006

Picture is available on http://www.pakalumni.com/forum/topic/show?id=1119293:Topic:63569

He was fired form the "LUMS" http://globalvoicesonline.org/2012/10/30/pakistan-dr-pervez-hoodbhoy-fired-from-lums/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.193.77.131 (talk) 22:03, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Muslim
Is he muslim?--Vojvodaeist 06:55, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Vojvodaen, yes, dr. hoodbhoy is a proud muslim and he is a most respected nuclear physicist in Pakistan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ironboy11 (talk • contribs) 05:25, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

He is not muslim or as some people here say, he is ismili muslim.. 1st islimi's are not muslim at all.. 2nd he is not even ismili, alhtough he is influenced by Dr abdul salam who was ismili but he is not even ismili. if you see his debate with Hamza which was conducted in LUMS in 2013 and there in that debate he totally denied about existance of GOD..!!! Which shows he is a non-believer.. (umer abbasi) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Umerabbasii (talk • contribs) 23:45, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Dr Hoodbhoy is an Ismaili who are not considered as Muslims by the mainstream Sunnis nor the Shias from whom they have separated some centuries ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shahzada Khan (talk • contribs) 16:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC) So Ismaili aren't Muslims or they're like Ahmaddiya Muslims?

What is the difference between Ahmadiyya, Ismaili, Sunni and Shia Muslim Islam? Aren't the classes are same? I don't care of what religion he belongs too. Neither anyone should care. In Pakistan, dr. Hoodbhoy is one of the prominent and well-known nuclear physicist. Dr. hoodbhoy is also an honest Pakistani who loves his country, Pakistan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.232.135.34 (talk) 21:59, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Lets not bring religion into this. But of his accomplishment, i dont get why he given so much recognition? His works are not even that impressive, to get media attention all he does is speak against a more accomplished western scientist with more papers and patents. I mean seriously he is more of a politician than a scientist. He would be a president though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Igodspeed (talk • contribs) 17:21, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I second that. To bring Religion here is akin to feeding the trolls. Any opinion about a person, specifically an intellectual's theological position, is pure speculation to serve only one purpose: ad hominem view. Don't feed the trolls. chughtai (talk) 05:25, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Commentary
I have watched many interviews and documentaries of Pervez Hoodbhoy. He is one of the rare intellectuals in Pakistan. There is a grace in his manners and speech. I don't know much about his professional achievements but he is vocal in describing the problems of Pakistan. He speaks truth when he says country needs to invest more in basic infrastucture like basic education, electricity, roads, etc rather than building army and weapons. Kudos to Hoodbhoy. Good bless you - SID —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.148.60.3 (talk) 18:23, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Hoodbhoy is a true Pakistani scientist. He speaks truth thoroughly that is why he is criticized often more than any intellectuals in Pakistan. I have lived in Pakistan, and I know that speaking truth can brings whole sum of troubles. It is very impressed that prof. Hoodbhoy speak truth without fear. And, yes, Pakistan needs to invest more in education than developing and advancing their nuclear program.

Protection
The article of Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy needs the protection. Apparently, some of the contributors who hates or firmly dislikes him, adding personal comments based on the prejudice and personal hatred. So, I am asking nicely to those contributors who are responsible for such damages, please, stop! If the contributors do not like him then stop reading his page. But, please, stop adding the comments which simply based on personal judegment, hatred or the prejudice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.0.106.166 (talk) 09:48, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Really... The true 'scientist' of Pakistan?! He talks more about politics than science. As per this article he only got a couple a dozen letters to one journal, and yet he always badmouthing Atta-ur-Rehman, who has 843 articles, a couple of doctorates and 18 patents, which is collossal for any scientist. Atta-ur-Rehman did great work in HEC. Sure, not perfect, and primary education needs a big push, but thanks to Atta-ur-Rehman, now people view academia as a viable career. Places who never did research now publish. It was not a panacea, but it is a great start! And what is Pervez's contribution to all this? Other than preening for Western cameras and pandering to NYT readers? If he spent more time on his alleged vocation, he may actually have had more credibility as an educationist and a academic. As things stand he just another upper-class Pakistani... Wanting to live off the best of this country and heap contempt on it at the same time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.64.250 (talk) 20:08, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Recipient of Baker Prize?
The introduction to the article mentions that Pervez Hoodbhoy is a recipient of the Baker Prize for 1968. However, the list of recipients on the Wikipedia page of the prize (and even the official list available here) do not mention him as a recipient. In particular, the recipients for 1968 are Jonny Anderson and Harry Lee. Piyush (talk) 08:34, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

The fact that Hoodbhoy's parents are/were Ismaili is uncontested. That the Ismaili sect is considered by many Muslims (both Sunnis and Shias) as non-Muslims is without question. But the fact that he is a humanitarian, patriotic Pakistani who is dedicated to the uplifitng of Pakistanis of all classes through education, improved health and social care as well development of the nation in the fields of science and technolgy is also undisputed. All these areas are of national and international importance, therefore, deserving of our intelligencia's attention. All issues that Hoodbhoy speaks on fall into social policy sphere, and thus they are political with a small p but also concern all Pakistanis who care for their country and fellow Pakistanis. We should be proud that our intellectuals are standing up and speaking for all and not accuse them of interfering in politics. Pakistani politicians are the most corrupt in the world who use religion for their own purposes whilst being the most unIslamic group of usurpers in recent history of the state. Let's be committed to our religion and also to the Pakistan. Even if he is openly or privately a non-Muslim he is still a proud and patriotic Pakistani and we should be proud of that - Hindus, Qadianis, Christians and Parsis are also Pakistanis and so deserve all that Pakistan offers us is also due to them too. Moarrikh (talk) 02:34, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I support Piyush suggestion. There is no direct evidence of the Baker prize from the page nor a reference is mentioned. It needs to be removed.

Maxkrish (talk) 19:38, 7 June 2016 (UTC)User:Maxkrish

Unsubstantiated Claims for Awards
The page has unsubstantiated claims for awards without appropriate references.

There is no reference provided on the page for this person awarded the Baker prize. It needs to be removed.

Similarly, there is no credible or appropriate reference for the Meyer award. The only reference is from his own website, the not well-known organization of his former father in law (uncle of his first wife) which he is himself a patron or creator of.

I suggest both these awards be removed or reliable third-party references provided.

Maxkrish (talk) 21:50, 7 June 2016 (UTC)User:Maxkrish

Unsupported Claims/Self-Advertisement
I would like to draw attention to the claim "As the head of Mashal Books in Lahore, he leads a major translation effort to produce books in Urdu that promote modern thought, human rights, and emancipation of women.[15]"

This is an important claim and the only reference provided is from his own interview by a not well-known magazine. As far as I am aware he is a physicist and a university professor, a controversial figure with political aspirations etc as you would find on the web, however I do not know of any incident or public demonstration of his actually being a part of concrete efforts for human rights or emancipation of women. There is no single such instance, nor any reference is provided. It may as well be a claim to support his book store what he heads, as I learnt from this claim.

Unless a reliable third-party reference is provided from credible sources of his helping women emancipate from whatever ordeal they were in, as it is claimed, the claim needs to be removed.

The page seems like an advertisement. It is against the Wikipedia norms for a living person biography.

Maxkrish (talk) 19:49, 7 June 2016 (UTC)User:Maxkrish

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