Talk:Philadelphia

Images
I made extensive changes to the size and positioning of numerous images. Most thumbs were oversized (upright=1.1) for no apparent reason. I think an 1800px wide image panorama is excessive (I reduced to 1600px). I have a 1080x1920 resolution monitor which would not display the entire image. There probably is too many images in the article but I do not think I could get a consensus about which ones to eliminate. Personally, I like most of the images. Unfortunately, they get in the way. That is why I added a gallery of the historic paintings and engravings. I think it improved the section greatly. Also, the business of being a "Featured" article. An assessment from 2006 is of no use. There are plenty of references (200+ may be too many) nor did not notice too many lists. The "Presidential Elections Results" table should go. P.S. I hope the changes I made did not require approval through this forum. I do not think I changed the content of the article, only the presentation which I agree is important.User-duck (talk) 23:00, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi User-duck, is there a decent (recent) panoramic nighttime skyline image that can be placed in the Cityscape section, perhaps to replace the second image? Best, Castncoot (talk) 02:24, 16 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Sorry User-duck, may I just ping you just once more about this? I wasn't sure if you had seen this. Best, Castncoot (talk) 22:06, 20 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Castncoot, not a problem. I saw your query. I just lost a long answer on this flakey site and am now upset. Short form, I did not find a suitable image on Wikimedia and I will happily work with you to add an existing image to the article.User-duck (talk) 17:52, 21 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately User-duck, photos are not my forte! Any chance you would be able to upload a decent and recent nighttime skyline image onto Commons? Best, Castncoot (talk) 04:32, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Castncoot, I too am not a photographer and I have never been to Philadelphia. I am just a Wikipedian with a touch of OCD, trying to improve articles. The original problem was probably bullets running into images. Also, there are way too many images that are distracting and create a very long article that requires too much scrolling. Does a picture of a police car really add to the article? The traffic picture is an interesting addition thou. Maybe there is some quality nighttime photos.User-duck (talk) 20:33, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the work on layout, User-duck. Three large panoramas may seem like too much, but many city articles have 3 panos, such as NYC, Boston, Chicago, and Houston. An extra large gallery of 20 additional images is excessive when you consider that none of the other large cities have trailing galleries at all. Instead, they sometimes use small section galleries (like you did here) and composites of several images in 1 thumbnail. Boston, Houston and Washington are featured articles and seem to have done a good job spreading out most of their images, reducing text sandwiching which is the biggest concern here. Re: Castncoot's request - there are some nighttime skylines in Commons though many are old (10+ years old) and lower quality, or fanciful HDR. There is currently only 1 really sharp, really high-res twilight image from 2016 that could be used instead of the current daytime view from the same location (the 3rd panorama). I just uploaded a very recent night skyline, from last weekend, taken at the same viewpoint as the current 2nd panorama. Brian W. Schaller (talk) 04:21, 27 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Brian W. Schaller Thanks for uploading the new picture. I cropped it for a panorama and added it to the article. The skyline has changed significantly in 8 years, nice contrast. I really like the twilight image but one night image is enough and I do not want to replace a "quality image". Like I said, personally I like the images. I have never been to Philly and they add a lot to the article. No editor likes to remove an image that somebody else thought was important enough to add. Castncoot, I hope you like the new panorama.User-duck (talk) 09:02, 27 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Absolutely, I believe that the new arrangement is excellent, thank you both for your hard work on this! Castncoot (talk) 21:44, 27 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Although, now that I think about it, do we really need the second image any longer? I believe not. It is now redundant and outdated and no longer notable or pertinent, being without any particular historical significance, and superseded by the newly updated nighttime pano. I am going to remove it at this point, as it no longer serves a constructive purpose, and is excessive as a fourth pano. Castncoot (talk) 21:59, 27 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I liked the skyline comparison, BUT that is probably best done with a couple of daytime thumbs. I have NO issue with removing the panorama.User-duck (talk) 17:39, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 external links on Philadelphia. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20160113222258/http://citypaper.net/articles/2004-06-03/cityspace.shtml to http://www.citypaper.net/articles/2004-06-03/cityspace.shtml
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20150724030414/http://www.visitphilly.com/itineraries/philadelphia/exploring-gay-philadelphia/ to http://www.visitphilly.com/itineraries/philadelphia/exploring-gay-philadelphia/
 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.fofweb.com/History/HistRefMain.asp?iPin=EMAH0219&SID=2&DatabaseName=American+History+Online&InputText=%22Great+Migration%22&SearchStyle=&dTitle=Philadelphia%2C+Pennsylvania%2C+and+Muslim+Americans&TabRecordType=Subject+Entry&BioCountPass=14&SubCountPass=69&DocCountPass=2&ImgCountPass=2&MapCountPass=9&FedCountPass=&MedCountPass=11&NewsCountPass=0&RecPosition=55&AmericanData=Set&WomenData=&AFHCData=&IndianData=&WorldData=&AncientData=&GovernmentData=

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 04:01, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Attractions

 * Philadelphia Museum of Art
 * Barnes Foundation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.3.90.14 (talk) 22:38, 7 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Rittenhouse Square Park
 * National Constitution Center


 * Independence National Historic Park
 * Franklin Institute
 * Mutter Museum
 * Franklin Square
 * The Wanamaker Building
 * Reading Terminal Market
 * Ben Franklin Museum
 * City Hall Observatory
 * One Liberty Place Observation Deck

Shopping - signed User talk:96.245.161.239 — Preceding undated comment added 23:09, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Macy's (the Wanamaker Building)
 * Nordstrom Rack Chestnut Street
 * Shops At Liberty Place
 * The Gallery At Market East
 * Trader Joe's

Are you suggesting that all of the above tourist sites be added in simple bulleted list form? Most of them are already in the text, except the shopping items which are more relevant to the Wikivoyage article; however, there is some precedent for writing entire articles about tourism in big cities and tourist site lists here in Wikipedia. If you want to start a new article like that for Philadelphia, ga head. Always keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a tourist-style guidebook and avoid promotional listings. I'm not volunteering to help with a new article. Brian W. Schaller (talk) 00:21, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * We do not need another article. We have List of sites of interest in Philadelphia. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 01:28, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Thx. And with a name like that, it's got to be good! ;) At least they didn't call it 'List of sites of historic nature of colonial period of the city of Phila.'... Brian W. Schaller (talk) 00:06, 5 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Should we add a mention of the Barnes Foundation in the Culture - Arts section? It is not mentioned, and is certainly more prominent than many of the theaters in the next paragraph.
 * Potentially something like: "The Barnes Foundation displays one of the world's largest collections of impressionist and post-impressionist art, arranged in ensembles designed by its founder, Albert Barnes (https://www.phillyvoice.com/the-barnes-move-5-years-later-essentially-we-were-right/)" Szezine (talk) 21:37, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Philadelphia montage

 * What do people think about updating the Philadelphia montage? User:Jleon is one of the expert designers of several city montages, I wonder if they'd like to contribute to designing a new one...? For one thing, the very top image (the skyline picture) is sorely outdated. What do peopke think about replacing it with this one?: Philadelphia skyline from South Street Bridge.jpg Castncoot (talk) 23:59, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, would User:Brian W. Schaller be able to assist in this effort? Castncoot (talk) 23:59, 3 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Good idea but the skyline image you suggested is also very outdated (no Comcast Technology Center or FMC/Evo Towers) so it would be better to wait a few months for some nice spring days, to get better daytime panoramas. Brian W. Schaller (talk) 00:21, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Brian W. Schaller, thank you for responding. There must be something we could use as a placeholder for now - even one of the images currently in the Cityscape section. Before those (the second and third cityscape images) were replaced, the current outdated montage skyline picture was actually one of them. IMHO, any replacement at this time would be better than the current montage. Would you be able to redesign a new montage altogether, by the way? I have no idea how to! Best, Castncoot (talk) 02:16, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Plenty of good images in the large Wikimedia gallery I gathered together a few weeks ago, after looking thru 1000's of poorer quality images thruout all the categories, ugh... Though the Wikimedia gallery is prominently linked in the Phila. article's gallery, only about 0.2% of article viewers click on it based on page views (~4700/day for article, ~10/day for gallery page). Seems either the readers are not interested in more photos, or they never make it to the bottom of a long page. ;)
 * Anyway, the only image I don't like in the current montage is the ugly sky shot of Indy Hall, and it takes up the most room too. The skyline's not bad except it's missing 3 recent skyscrapers. We can wait for someone to upload a good recent skyline, but the other choices are more difficult... stick with the 'big 5' like now, but better versions - B.Franklin, Indy Hall, Lib Bell, Art Museum & City Hall, try others, or crowd even more in to get 8 or so different sites like NYC does, though they'll be harder to actually see if they get too small. If you look at Los Angeles, it uses a template called 'Photomontage' rather than a single image pieced together in a photo editor. So, try the template & see what you come up with. Ball's in your court - be bold! :) Brian W. Schaller (talk) 00:00, 5 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Brian W. Schaller, I felt that the entire old montage looked atrocious. In any case, I replaced the images using the photomontage template you suggested - the only problem is some needed size adjustment which I don't know how to deal with (I surmise you probably do). I know you felt the image I suggested here in this section is outdated, but at least it's from 2015, not from 2009! - it's meant to be just a placeholder, and I've tagged the caption with the year 2015 to clarify the timeline to the reader. Feel free to play with this, obviously. Castncoot (talk) 05:21, 5 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Pretty good except the Penn shot is kinda dull. You'll need to use very similar aspect ratio images on same rows or blank space results; otherwise, the template would have to auto-crop somehow, but that might not look good so it doesn't, or it's simply not technically feasible. So, either choose a taller image (portrait style) on left, bottom or a wider image on right, bottom (would have to be a square image to match the current one at left, bottom). You could also use the crop tool to make a new version and then you'd be sure that 2 images on same row are identical ratios. I tried picking a few others from the gallery but couldn't get them to line up well & also be ones that looked good in smaller size. It's left to you for now. Good luck. Brian W. Schaller (talk) 06:30, 5 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you. This is the best I could do for now - perhaps this arrangement would be a good placeholder for the moment. Part of the problem was the unfortunately surprising paucity of notable images available for such a prominent city. I'm hopeful, however, that in the near future, you or someone else with similar expertise will be able to correct this situation. Best, Castncoot (talk) 06:48, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Fantastic montage, Brian W. Schaller! Thank you very much! Best, Castncoot (talk) 15:02, 7 December 2017 (UTC)


 * KeysToCommunity.jpg work, Castncoot (talk) and Brian W. Schaller. I might suggest two tweaks: first, swap the City Hall and Liberty Bell images so that City Hall "faces" the center of the montage. And second, replace the photo of Elfreth's Alley, which really doesn't scan at postage-stamp size, with the photo of the Ben Franklin sculpture from the original montage (and swap its position with the Museum of Art photo). This would serve the double purpose of representing Franklin (though of course the UPenn photo is an allusion to his influence) and signifying Philadelphia's status as one of the world's great cities for public art. It would also add visual variety to a building-heavy grouping, and introduce a human form. PRRfan (talk) 17:22, 7 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Brian's previous montage (before switching per the above suggestion) was actually better. The Liberty Bell with Independence Hall in the background is a stunning picture that should be displayed first. There's really no appropriate place for a human form in a city montage, and many Ben Franklin statues adorn Philadelphia. Best, Castncoot (talk) 07:20, 8 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Brian W. Schaller - would you please be able to just slightly topcrop the Ben Franklin Bridge image on the montage to align it with the SS United States image? Thank you! Castncoot (talk) 18:16, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Beautiful montage! Brian W. Schaller! You can tell you're of a high visual order. Architecture & Photography coming together perfectly! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Worldhistoryguru67 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Articles needing attention
Is there a reason this article needs attention? If so, tell me about it. If not, I will remove the tag next Sunday.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 19:28, 10 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Maybe it's the request (by "Lionsdude148" at the top of this page) for an audio version, which is claimed to be "important." ;) I've been doing a lot of copy editing and updating figures lately, along with image adjustments, but this article still needs a lot of work, especially in the latter half as there's many "cite needed" tags down there. Brian W. Schaller (talk) 11:45, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Philadelphia. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20131207073845/http://www.amtrak.com/pdf/factsheets/PENNSYLVANIA13.pdf to http://www.amtrak.com/pdf/factsheets/PENNSYLVANIA13.pdf

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 21:47, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Etymology of Philadelphia
The derivation of the name "Philadelphia" should state that it is based on the roots of two nouns, "philia", meaning "love", and "adelphos", meaning brother. The etymology currently in the article references "philos", an adjective meaning "dear" or "(be)loved" instead of "philia" - but it's really the roots of these words that were used to compose the name. Any comments (yes, no, meh)? AAIRON (talk) 02:15, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * The first ref in the Nicknames of Philadelphia article (The Popular Educator) uses 'philos' which it claims means 'loving' while the second ref in the same article (Encyclopedia of Greater Philadelphia) uses 'phileo' which it says means 'love'. Not being a Greek scholar and not wishing to become one, I don't know what else to say except please be sure to supply reliable refs if you change it. Brian W. Schaller (talk) 02:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Some facts: The city was named after the ancient Lydian city of Philadelphia, in Asia Minor, featuring in the New Testament (Revelation 1.9-11). It, in turn, was named after Attalus II Philadelphus, by his brother, Eumenes II, of the Attalid dynasty. The epithet "Φιλάδελφος", from φιλέω (to love) and ἀδελφός (brother) signifies "he who loves his brother"; nothing else. An apt name for that city.
 * Over the years, the current mistranslation has been institutionalized, and few would dare question the silly received mantra, as you did. The etymological corruption has established itself in virtually all dictionaries.  Informing the public is a losing battle. Just let them talk. Cuzkatzimhut (talk) 17:08, 25 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Do you have a reliable source for any of this? - Sum mer PhD v2.0 19:39, 25 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Not sure what you mean by "any of this". The ancient Greek is incontrovertible, as any Classical scholar could confirm to you. Philadelphia means "the city named after Philadelphos", and "Philadelphos" is the monicer of said Hellenistic Attalid king, meaning "he who loves his brother", as per even WP, article linked. Liddell-Scott's dictionary might be expanding on it, but, frankly, it is not worth "attesting": it is plain true. (As well as the tortured comically bad Greek etymologies of "brotherly love" and such.) Yes, I am contributing to the Ancient Greek WP project.  PS. If you scoured Liddell-Scott, you'd find the correct φῐλᾰδελφ-ος, and the irrelevant φιλαδελφία. Even though the latter may appear to be close to the city's name, in Greek it is very different, indeed, and the source of bad puns: the misplaced accent makes an enormous difference. It is unlikely Penn or his associates mistook that.      "The city named after Philadelphos" is incontrovertibly the correct translation of Philadelphia.
 * By contrast, I have no attestation of "that" New Testament city giving its name to the American one, any more than I do for Memphis, TN, or Athens, GA. Penn knew his bible, and less important cities in it have made their way to upstate New York names... So a chapter-and-verse proof that Philly, PA, is not named after the ancient Lycian city in Asia Minor would carry its own burden of proof, no? In any case, at a minimum, a footnote should mention the point, to counter centuries-old (?) institutionalized misinformation. Perhaps you could undertake that, but I am not in an arguing or proactive mood. Cuzkatzimhut (talk) 20:01, 25 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Let me cut to the chase:
 * Currently, the article says "Penn named the city Philadelphia, which is Greek for "brotherly love," derived from the Ancient Greek terms φίλος phílos (beloved, dear) and ἀδελφός adelphós (brother, brotherly)."
 * What, specifically, do you want the article to say? What source do you have that directly supports that change?
 * (I am completely uninterested in what a dictionary or any other source says "Philadelphia" or "φῐλᾰδελφ-ος" or "φιλαδελφία" or anything else "means". This article is about the city in Pennsylvania. If reliable sources say Penn got the name for that city by rolling Boggle dice, Wikipedia should say the same. The article should not detail that this is plainly impossible unless reliable sources specifically and directly state this.) - Sum mer PhD v2.0 00:24, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


 * As I indicated in my original paragraph, "Just let them talk". I am not familiar with Penn's intent and how posterity has morphed and shifted meanings, so I do not specifically "want" the article to say anything at all. I reiterated known facts in this thread to help editors inform their understanding and stop splashing around spurious folk etymologies, even if they were Penn's, which, I suggested, I doubt. I am not sure the Popular Educator did not simply surmise Penn's intent when stretching the Greek. In any case, if those assuming responsibility for the statements made are comfortable with their match to reality, I am cool. Personally, if I did not already know that, as a clueless reader, I'd welcome reading a factual footnote pointing out the existence of the New testament city. The German WP article threads that needle more maturely. Just let them talk. Cuzkatzimhut (talk) 01:25, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


 * This talk page is for discussing improvements to the article. We cannot add a "factual footnote" or otherwise improve the article without reliable sources.
 * As for "pointing out the existence" of other Philadelphias, that's what the hatnote at the top of the article does. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 04:08, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

As long as we don't know William Penn's intention with certainty, I think it would be best to say Penn named his new city 'Philadelphia' after the hellenistic city of Philadelphia, in Asia Minor, mentioned in the New Testament (Revelation 1.9-11), doubtless bearing in mind the existence of a different though cognate Greek word, also transliterated in English as 'philadelphia' and meaning "love of the brethren" or "brotherly love". 87.67.31.82 (talk) 17:40, 27 January 2019 (UTC)


 * No. That would be original research.
 * To say that Penn named the city after "the hellenistic city...", we would need a reliable source which directly states that. We do not have that source. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 20:17, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Etymology of Philadelphia
In the Christian Bible, there is the mention of a town called by its Greek name "Philadelphia," famed in Christianity for being one of the first Seven Churches. It is established that Philadelphia's founders were concerned with Quaker scripture and doctrine, and thus its natural to infer that their choice of the name "Philadelphia" came from the Bible. So then we look for evidence where this is declared, but we also frown on those who say its unnatural to infer this, unless there is literal specific record, which could be missing for one reason or another, such as in jousts the Free World has with the aristocratic group. -Inowen (NLFTE) 05:54, 27 May 2018 (UTC)


 * It may be "natural to infer" something. It is, however, against policy to imply something not directly supported by a reliable source. Please see WP:SYN for more info. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 20:00, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Someone having a bad hair day? Original Philadelphia missing from article
There is no mention of the original Philadelphia in the article, or link to it, or place in new testament - one of the best known cities in it, which William Penn surely was inspired from as his reason for founding it, which was >religious< and his "a city on the hill quote" is also from the New Testament,which is (Matthew 5).

Although this is surely how the name Philadelphia came about, this is neither here nor there, as the first city to bear the name - the namesake - and why the name was widely known before the choosing of it (many places in the new world were named after old places- "New York", "New England", etc) would surely have at least >one line< in any article. Ie the first city to bear the name of the city Philadelphia was...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ala%C5%9Fehir#Ancient_Philadelphia

Worse yet, there isn't even a link to the original in the Philadelphia (disambiguation page), and the above link is a badly written article that goes out of it's way to mention the modern city by it's Turkish name and buries the historical (which arguably has little connection). This is a hatchet job. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.42.179.151 (talk) 19:15, 5 June 2018 (UTC)


 * If you feel there should be a link from the disamb page, you are certainly free to add it. If anyone has a problem with your addition, they will correct it or discuss it there.
 * To add something here, though, you will need to cite a reliable source for the connection.
 * If you feel the Alaşehir section is poorly written, feel free to fix it.
 * As to the name of the article, Alaşehir, please see Article titles. If you feel a name other than the Turkish name should be used for the city in Turkey, feel free to suggest a move on the article's talk page. I would recommend reading the policy first, however. If you feel the ancient city should be a separate article, you can suggest that there as well.
 * I'm not sure who you feel is attacking what with the "hatchet job" reference. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 20:00, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Gentrification

 * @Brian W. Schaller: Thank you for replacing the word "prevent" with "minimize" regarding homeowner displacement by the rapid pace of gentrification in the city. Because this is such a fundamental issue to the evolving identity of the city itself, I do believe it belongs in the lede, and then of course gets described more in detail in the appropriate section of the body, which is the ideal concept for lede statements anyway, coincidentally and fortunately. Best, Castncoot (talk) 13:58, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Coords
A quick check of the other large US cities shows that their coordinates point to things other than their geographical center. Often they point to city hall, or to the first intersection back when the city was founded. For example, Chicago's original center was a ford across the Chicago River at what is now Damen Ave, and that's where the coordinates point. NYC's points to City Hall. Anyway, pointing to an ugly freight terminal minds me of something Emerson wrote. Abductive (reasoning) 21:25, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


 * It seems that the precision of the coordinates, and the zoom level of the map (set via ), should suggest that it's more general than that, per MOS:COORDS and Coord/doc. Philly is about 12 km wide near the middle, by 35 km high at the corners, so precision of 0.01&deg; (1.1 km) is appropriate. I'd stick the pin at 40.01°N, -75.13°W using:
 * The city of Chicago is about 18 km × 42 km, so precision of 0.01&deg; (1.1 km) is appropriate. I'd put its pin at 41.83°N, -87.67°W with:
 * —&#91;  Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 00:48, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * —&#91;  Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 00:48, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * —&#91;  Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 00:48, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Please don't believe those make-people-measure-the-object-and-engage-in-WP:OR directions at MOS:COORDS. For years the consensus has been to use DMS and D.dddd, with DMS.s and D.ddddd for very small objects such as statues. Also, actual sources override any notions people might have to do WP:OR. Abductive  (reasoning) 01:53, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * That, of course, is a bigger and longer-term issue than deciding where Philadelphia is. In my experience there are problems with so-called reliable sources, like showing too much precision, and inaccuracies in smaller features from old/poorly-maintained sources and public contributions not being well-researched. This is as much a presentation issue as anything, where (according to the MOS) we need to have some latitude in how to do it (i.e. there's a gray area between WP:OR/WP:SYNTH and work necessary for style, similar to what is done for other sciences like chemistry, pharma, astronomy, and math). I don't disagree that it's easier to just import GNIS or whatever and be done with it, but the resulting product is just not as good, which is why that language in MOS:COORDS etc. is there. It's a reasonable starting point, but why is it wrong to fix/improve on the data with sources as per WP:OGC, WP:OPCOORD?
 * The originator of the thread was focused on the particular building the coordinates pointed to because the template is set (or not set) to zoom in too far and the coordinates, as displayed, imply more than the appropriate amount of precision, 1 second being ~30 m or less and 0.00001&deg; being ~1.1 m or less. Also, the scale needs to be set to an appropriate level so when you click on the map, it shows the entire subject, not a single building or neighborhood. That doesn't work right with smaller places if the point is set to the city hall located at one end of the town, nor does it work for New York if you set the location to that of its capital, Albany (near its eastern border), nor does it work with the canonical location of Philly, as seen in the present case.
 * Yes, we should probably take this somewhere more widely-exposed if you're talking about changing the docs. Yes, the above is probably overly wordy. Sorry – I'm fighting a cold. :( —&#91;  Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 07:50, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I too don't have the strength right now to try and improve the guidance. Let me just say that secondary sources, such as local newspapers, occasionally will run a story on the geographic center of their city. These take the tone of, "can you believe the physical center of the city is on Stockholm Street between Lafayette and Stanhope? In Queens of all places?" That is because a city isn't like a geographic feature like an island that has a geographic center. A city has a city center. Abductive  (reasoning) 03:03, 22 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Google Earth placemarks have a "view" tab with co-ordinates and scale/zoom that is separate from the main location of the object, setting the position/scale of the viewportal. Perhaps that would be a solution, allowing the displayed co-ordinates to be defined as the seat of administration (e.g. state capitol, city hall), but, as a purely presentation/style tool, allow us to optionally set maps to center/zoom to frame the entire place. With the main location being a relatively small object (i.e. a building), the precision issue becomes moot, as ss.s/d.ddddd or ss/d.dddd would be appropriate. —&#91;  Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 07:33, 22 November 2018 (UTC)


 * No, the solution is use city hall, or the center of the street addressing system, as I and many other editors have been doing. Abductive  (reasoning) 09:40, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Fix the interactive map.
Change: Monotype97 (talk) 20:34, 1 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 20:41, 1 December 2018 (UTC)


 * So, the interactive map in the infobox is a bit... hard to read. The city is obscured while the surrounding area is highlighted. This could be fixed by replacing "type=shape" with "type=shape-inverse"


 * @DannyS712:Sorry, I'm a bit new.

Monotype97 (talk) 20:57, 1 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done DannyS712 (talk) 00:25, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

ot: Photo of "George Washington's personal flag" is needed in Commons
Does anybody living near "Museum of the American Revolution" take a shot to the "George Washington's personal flag", and load-it on Commons?

(see commons:Category:George Washington's personal flag )

thank you!

--151.18.173.140 (talk) 20:58, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Leacht Cuimhneachàin na Gael
I changed Quimhneachain into Cuimhneachàin. This is correct without doubt. However, it could be that "na Gael" must be "na nGael". I am no expert in the very complicated Irish grammar. Anyhow, it is correct that the second letter of "nGael" is a capital. Handige Harrie (overleg) 16 mei 2019 12:41 (CEST)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2020
Can you mention how it lost the honor of being the 5th most populous city in July 2016 to Phoenix, AZ? 2600:387:5:807:0:0:0:61 (talk) 20:30, 17 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  JTP (talk • contribs) 23:37, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Tamanend as a co-founder of the city with William Penn?
Please see the recent article history and the changes made by User:Worldhistoryguru67, my reverts of those changes, and our edit summaries. Please let us know whether, and why, it would be correct to list Tamanend as a city co-founder. Thanks. Brian W. Schaller (talk) 05:11, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Since there have been no replies, I've also edited the following articles for consistency: Tamanend, Treaty of Shackamaxon, Pennsylvania, and Province of Pennsylvania with the edit comment: "the province/state was established by the king of England and granted to Penn; the peace accords did not establish the province/state, & the parties to those accords are not considered co-founders; a wp:rs directly stating Tamanend as a co-founder must be supplied since none supplied so far directly state Tamanend as a co-founder, or his peace treaty as a founding document." Brian W. Schaller (talk) 01:24, 3 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Brian W. Schaller Hi, Im impressed that you have light knowledge of Tamanend, but the Turtle clan is the head clan, and Tamamend was the Principle Chief of the entire Lenape. Manhattan was also Lenape land. The King of England made up a document to scam William Penn, but William Penn was greeted with open arms, and the only agree made was the Treaty of Shackamaxon, agreeing to share the land in Peace. The Lenape didnt believe in ownership. Thats like owning water, or the air, which is now heavily polluted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Worldhistoryguru67 (talk • contribs) 06:59, 3 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Please read Chief Tamanend, by Gus Wiencke, especially paragraphs 3 & 4 under "Tamanend, A Village Sachem" (hint: he was not the principle chief of the Lenape)
 * So, the king scammed Penn, believing he'd be killed when he arrived? (he certainly didn't like Quakers) It's an interesting theory, but only your personal theory, which Wikipedia terms wp:or (original research), and is not allowed, and certainly not a basis to add Tamanend as a co-founder regardless.
 * Since the Lenape did not believe in ownership of land, exactly why and how would a Lenape man become a co-founder of a delineated land mass known as Philadelphia (he did not live within its colonial boundaries) and a state known as Pennsylvania (which was/is much larger than any area he had ever visited, or had any interest in), especially as the delineations were made for the purpose of establishing ownership and settling potential ownership disputes of the settled areas by the European people? Why would a Lenape even wish to be considered a co-founder of a European form of delineated land ownership, especially after his people were subsequently pushed west, and the land, sky and waters were polluted? Brian W. Schaller (talk) 23:19, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 March 2021
Under the politics section it says that "Democrats currently hold 14 seats including nine of the ten districts and five at-large seats, while Republicans hold two at-large seats and the Northeast-based Tenth District. ". This information is outdated and needs updated to account for the results of the 2019 elections in which republicans lost one at large seat to the working families party. It should be changed to "Democrats currently hold 14 seats including nine of the ten districts and five at-large seats, Republicans hold 2 seats including one at-large seat and the Northeast-based Tenth District, and the Working Families Party hold one at-large seat." Jdoebler (talk) 05:22, 15 March 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 06:31, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2021
98.114.254.117 (talk) 03:17, 9 May 2021 (UTC) Philadelphia founded date was October 27, 1682


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Run n Fly (talk) 15:57, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2021
The line "This official status lasted until the English capture of New Netherland" is cited on the History of Philadelphia article, but here a citation is needed. The citation from the history article can be used on the main article. 172.8.210.218 (talk) 14:39, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Done. LakeCityCle (talk) 22:30, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2021
With the release of the 2020 census data, the population of the City of Philadelphia should be updated. As of April 1, 2020, the population of the City of Philadelphia was 1,603,797.

Other census data suggests that demographics likewise need to be updated. Information can be found here: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/philadelphiacountypennsylvania 98.225.156.108 (talk) 21:12, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I've updated the population to 1,603,797 per the source. I have not reviewed the other demographic data. I may take a peak at this later when I'm more available presuming another editor does not finish and/or close this request. Thank you! –– Sirdog9002 (talk) 21:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  Mel ma nn   21:56, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

move Parks to a subsection?
The Parks section is very short and just mentions Fairmount Park; it isn't particularly notable enough to be its own section. Thoughts on moving it to a subsection of Geography -- similar to what New York City does? It would seem to fit nicely there alongside the description of the city planning and five parks/squares, etc. Another option is a subsection of Culture? Cstanford.math (talk) 16:46, 27 September 2021 (UTC)


 * In the absence of discussion, I went ahead and did this change. If you object, please post here. Cstanford.math (talk) 04:02, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Spelling - First sentence - 07/07/2022
The text "Northeast magalopolis" needs to be corrected to "Northeast megalopolis". The link is fine. Although this could be a typo, I suspect it's the result of vandalism. VaporTraces (talk) 17:53, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Fixed it. Thank you for pointing it out. Alexius  Horatius  20:19, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

"PhillyD" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect PhillyD and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 20 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TartarTorte 14:13, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

"Phillyd" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Phillyd and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 20 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TartarTorte 14:13, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

"Stonewall Heights" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Stonewall Heights and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 20 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TartarTorte 19:33, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Give only the big 4 special notice in the sports
The Unions aren't based in the city and aren't that popular in it especially by comparison, which should be noted and reflected in how prominent they are indicated. Wennyd (talk) 16:13, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

“Cobble City”
Can’t seem to revert bc seems to be semi-protected but this edit needs to go, no one calls it “Cobble City” and this does not belong. Dhueishsgehe (talk) 13:09, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

File reference in Revolution section
The formatting of this is wrong, but I’m not sure how to correct it. MapReader (talk) 00:25, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

First Sentence
The first sentence of this article is missing a conjunction between the second and final elements in its list. It should read “Philadelphia, often called Philly, is the largest city in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, the sixth-largest city in the U.S., and the second-largest city in both the Northeast megalopolis and Mid-Atlantic regions after New York City.” It currently reads “Philadelphia, often called Philly, is the largest city in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, the sixth-largest city in the U.S., the second-largest city in both the Northeast megalopolis and Mid-Atlantic regions after New York City.” 73.193.140.234 (talk) 00:05, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Map
The map in this article has no Pennsylvania-Maryland border- that ought to be fixed. BigCheddah (talk) 12:24, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Image gallery is messed up
The image gallery has six images with eight descriptions. I think I could bring them into alignment, one way or the other, but I don't know Philadelphia well enough to be confident. It appears that this edit by TheLionHasSeen changed the gallery but not the caption. JamesMLane t c 06:16, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out! I've removed the two extra descriptions. ManOfTheArk (talk) 15:41, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Wording in 18th century history
the following wording in 18th centurey history needs to be corrected: "The state capital was moved from Philadelphia to Lancaster in 1799, then to Harrisburg in 1812, and ultimately to Washington, D.C., in 1800 upon completion of the White House and U.S. Capitol buildings." Rta10313 (talk) 19:18, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Fixed. Thanks for pointing that out! TartarTorte 16:37, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Naked Bike Ride Image
Do we really need the picture of the Naked Bike Ride? I'm not against the event being mentioned, but having the image seems a little much. Is there a consensus among the editors approving that this image is not shocking or explicit? 2601:640:8A00:1A0:951F:2DAA:7A86:B648 (talk) 03:19, 3 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Removed from here and also from List of tourist attractions in Philadelphia after the issue was raised on WT:BIL by . Seems purely WP:GRATUITOUS; yes "Wikipedia is not censored", but that just means if you start searching for articles with words like "naked bike ride" in the title, you should not be surprised to find pictures of naked people on bicycles. The image doesn't belong here, though it can still be found on other, more relevant pages. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:29, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

The Articles of Confederation were not adopted in Philadelphia.
This article is incorrect when it claims that the Articles of Confederation were adopted in Philadelphia. At the time of their adoption, Philadelphia was occupied by the British. Because of this, the Articles of Confederation were adopted in the Continental Congress's temporary capital of York, Pennsylvania. Please edit to correct this. Machoooooooooo (talk) 07:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2024
I believe it should be added to the cuisine section that Philadelphia is also home to multiple James Beard Most Outstanding Restaurant Awards in Zahav Italic texthttps://www.cnn.com/2019/05/07/us/james-beard-winners-2019-trnd/index.html & Friday Saturday Sunday Italic texthttps://www.inquirer.com/food/restaurants/philadelphia-restaurants-james-beard-awards-kalaya-fork-friday-saturday-sunday-20230605.html. The city is more than hoagies and cheesesteaks and that should be noted. Chrismaurer12345 (talk) 18:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. PianoDan (talk) 22:57, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Merging city offices
At WP:Articles for deletion/Philadelphia Office of Emergency Management, a participant proposed merging Philadelphia Office of Emergency Management to Philadelphia. Another participant and I opposed the merge, citing WP:WEIGHT (shortcut to WP:Neutral point of view, policy). As far as I can tell, Philadelphia Police Department and Philadelphia Fire Department – linked in Main templates – are much larger than the OEM. The Government link in Philadelphia links to Philadelphia, and I don't see a more appropriate article.

Philadelphia Managing Director's Office was deleted by WP:Proposed deletion. "The managing director is the City’s chief operating officer (COO) and a principal member of the mayor’s cabinet." Mayor of Philadelphia focuses on history, and Philadelphia City Hall is about the building.

Is there any interest in covering these city offices here or in another article? Flatscan (talk) 04:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

July 2024
Please change the caption on the photo of Ferris' painting of Penn with King Charles II from "William Penn (holding paper) and King Charles II depicted in The Birth of Pennsylvania, a 1680 portrait by Jean Leon Gerome Ferris" to "William Penn (holding paper) and King Charles II depicted in The Birth of Pennsylvania 1680, an early twentieth-century painting by Jean Leon Gerome Ferris" Ferris, the artist, lived from 1863-1930 and could not have painted it in 1680! Source: https://www.loc.gov/item/99471904/ The image in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia#/media/File:The_Birth_of_Pennsylvania_1680_cph.3g07157.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph261992 (talk • contribs) 14:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)