Talk:Pierre de la Rue

Challenging the detail of the history
In the history of Pierra de la Rue, the article states that

"Previous biographies of La Rue place him in Siena, Italy between 1483 and 1485; however it has been determined that the "La Rue" in the records there was a different singer. Pierre de La Rue probably never went to Italy, making him one of the few prominent Franco-Flemish composers of this generation never to travel there."

There is however no reference or footnote that allows this fact to be cross checked. As this is a potentially large shift, could the reference and/or material from where this new information came from please be cited?

Kiwifruitbat (talk) 21:44, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The most easily accessible reference containing that bit is Honey Meconi's article on La Rue in the online New Grove. I'll put a cite there if you want.  It's at the end of the first paragraph under "Life" in this section (subscription access required).  Antandrus  (talk) 22:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Composer project review
I've reviewed this article for the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This article is a strong B; it is primarily MOS-related issues that hold it back from higher ratings. Read my detailed review on the comments page; questions and comments can be left here or on my talk page.  Magic ♪piano 21:43, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * With Pierre de La Rue, unlike most Renaissance composers, there is a dedicated biography in print, recently written (the one by Honey Meconi that I used to write the article). I never got around to finishing:  I meant to write more about his music, like I did for Josquin, with more detail about individual pieces.  While it is true that GA/FA might want more inline cites, I thought they'd be pointless since they're all from the same two places (the Meconi article in Grove, and the Meconi book) -- why not just one cite per paragraph? -- but that's the way I write them.  Looks like the formatting has been mangled a bit since I worked on it last; I'm not sure how to format those audio samples.  Antandrus  (talk) 22:08, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * One cite per paragraph is usually fine. My experience with GA and inline cites is to expect some pushback for any paragraph-ending sentences that are not "obvious".  (Some reviewers seem to short-cut and complain if a paragraph does not end with a superscript; I hate that, and try to put in things like sentences leading into the next paragraph to force the discussion.)  I can take a look at making the audio be right; I've found that multi-listen start and friends do the best job, even if you only have one clip.  Magic ♪piano 22:25, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

"de La Rue" vs "de la Rue"
In the Grove Dictionary of Music's entry for La Rue, two references are given, both using the form "Pierre de la Rue": These are authoritative sources, as far as I know. Shouldn't the article's title be changed accordingly? 201.53.236.48 (talk) 11:38, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Pierre de la Rue: Opera omnia, ed. N.S.J. Davison, J.E. Kreider and T.H. Keahey, CMM, xcvii/1– (1989–)
 * H. Meconi: Style and Authenticity in the Secular Music of Pierre de la Rue (diss., Harvard U., 1986)
 * Support, there is no reason to capitalize "la" if "de" is not capitalized. A redirect exists. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Grove always capitalises "L", unless they're giving his whole name, in which case they're inconsistent (the majority case is "Pierre de la Rue" but you can find numerous examples of "Pierre de La Rue" using the 'advanced search' function). They refer to him within text, after initial mention, as "La Rue," without exception (and alphabetise him that way).  Looks like Honey Meconi, the leading author on the composer, does it that way too.  We can move it if you want. Antandrus  (talk) 13:59, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I believe it's usual to capitalize the feminine article "la" when referring to him by the surname only (La Rue), but not so when reproducing the whole name. I noticed that the French Wikipedia article also uses the form "de La Rue", but looking at that page's history it can be seen that it was a translation from this article and the translator may have just stuck to what was in use here. 201.53.240.18 (talk) 16:50, 30 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll go ahead and move the article. That reasoning makes sense. Antandrus  (talk) 17:19, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

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