Talk:Pittsburgh/Archive 3

Seal image
Given that the is pretty poor (mismatched background, copyright info actually on the image), I'm going to take the liberty of replacing it with  used on the Seal of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania page. --Alekjds 21:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Neighborhood laundry lists
We do not need to list every neighborhood in Pittsburgh. We already have an article for that: List of Pittsburgh neighborhoods. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 20:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * In fact, the neighborhood list article really could use some expanding. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 20:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Luke Ravenstahl
We need lots of eyes on Luke Ravenstahl. Vandals have been having a go at this somewhat frequently recently, and the article could use some work as is. I really appreciate any work other editors put in. Thanks, Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 20:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, on my watchlist --Matt 20:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

GLBT quotation information
I see that there are a bunch of citings needed for the information in this part of the article. I took the time to look up the citations in the city's home rule charter (§ 651.04 DEFINITIONS.) is the part that specifies the definition of GLBT, "§ 659.01 through § 659.07 " specify the specific laws in the home rule charter. I don't really know how to format this information, but I figured I would cite the sources for everyone since I was looking this information up for a friend anyway.

The city's home rule charter can be looked at at http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?pid=13525&sid=38

--Akh984 07:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this work. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 10:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Pittsburgh revitalization investigation
Hey everybody. I'm the student of Moscow State University (Department of foreign countries), Russia, and i'm on my graduation work at present. This sience work is dedicated to american cities revitalization and redevelopment. Also it is tightly connected with Pittsburgh. The main target is to learn the ways of revitalization in Pittsburgh, Oakland, Baltimore etc.

So, dear Pittsburghers or someone who interests in it, could you please describe me the way of redevelopment in your city? The main point for me is to know all about measurement that were made. When exactly did it begin? What were the steps to revitalize the city? Was the downtown take down and rebuild? Were the citizens settled apart? I'll appreciate very much for any detailed information.

Any kind of information would be very valuable for me! Thank you. Simon Freydlin Freydlins 18:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC)   P.S. Feel free to write me on this theme: boardpizza@mail.ru  And please forgive me for my poor english.

Government and politics
"A majority of Pittsburghers in the inner city are Democratic, while the suburbs tend to vote Republican." This should be taken out. While the percentage of Republicans in the suburbs is indeed far higher than in the city, They are not close to being the majority. Registered Democrats outnumber registered Republicans in Allegheny County by a 2-1 margin. Even taking Pittsburgh, and it's 5-1 Democratic edge out of the equation would not be enough to make Republicans the majority.


 * Absolutely. If you have sources that outright contradict an unsupported piece of information, please do change it and include the sources with tags.--Loodog 22:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I've heard the county 2-1 and city 5-1 statistics as well. I think this statement should definitely be changed to use these statistics, but I can't find a reference for that right now. Cln23 17:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

On another note, I'm going to change the other unsourced statement in this section, "Most Pittsburghers tend to be Democrats, primarily due to the historical influence of labor unions." I'm reading a biography of David Lawrence that I'm going to cite, and it says the domination of the Democratic party came out of the Republican party in Pittsburgh becoming corrupt and divided (Repub. Mayor Kline was charged and convicted of "malfeasance in office" in 1931) and the election of President Roosevelt that David Lawrence helped with, thus giving the Democratic party patronage jobs to give to people left unemployed by the Depression and popularity because of the New Deal since Pittsburgh was especially hard hit. I'm going to try to boil this down a little and replace the sentence currently there, because it wasn't really "labor unions". Cln23 17:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikichallenged on top disambig, help!
I am looking at the wikipage for Cleveland and wondering if we can change out the disambig notice with one that they have, I put in Pittsburgh Metro but it is coming up dead any help appreciated thanks. Hholt01 04:37, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Sisters cities
I updated the sisters cities based on the reference provided.

Although the reference is from the international organisation, it may need updating itself. It appears that "Omiya, Aichi, Japan" doesn't exist and is a database leftover from before the city merged with others to form "Saitama." Contradicting the reference, an article in the P-G states that "Karmiel" and "Misgav, Israel" are a "joint" sister city.

Two different people associated with the Greater Pittsburgh Sister Cities Association state there are active relationships with half or fewer of the cities,, , but they don't state which ones. The GPSCA site even has a slightly different list, and I cannot find a reference for a few cities that were previously listed here.

Perhaps contacting the local org and asking them to update their info with the internationl org is the only way to get a complete list. Keatinga 05:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Good article nomination
If someone could reduce "cityscape" to only sourced information, find sources for the six "citation needed" tags, and remove all the redlinks in this article, I would nominate this for wikipedia good article status.--Loodog 02:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Sports: way too many names + two glaring omissions
There seems to be too long a list of players down there. Sure, it's worth mentioning some of them. But there ought to be some way to limit it to "significant" players. Perhaps past players should be limited to Hall of Famers or at least those who made multiple appearances in all-star games/pro-bowls. And for current players, perhaps limit them to those who have made all-star game/pro-bowl appearances... or at least limit it to players that are current starters on their teams. Honestly, this section looks a bit ridiculous when it includes names like Kevan Barlow and Jeff Hostetler -- yet does not include a single mention of the following people: the Rooney family or Mario Lemieux. The Rooneys are widely considered to be among the most successful, respected, and influential owners in all of pro sports. And Lemieux was almost universally considered to be one of the five greatest players in the history of his sport, and among the top two in the eyes of many. Not to mention the fact that he has now spent the majority of his life in Pittsburgh and is a partial owner of the franchise. -Sam 87.65.39.133 15:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

5 to 1?
According to the Allegheny County Election Commission, on 15 May 2007, there were 893,606 registered voters. Of these, 541,509 were registered Democrat, and 253,173 registered Republican; a ratio of about 2.1:1.



Yes, but that's for the entire county. When talking about the city of Pittsburgh, we'd need to go through the district report and add the registrations for the districts in the city-- that number will be more democratic. I have heard the county is 2:1, which is exactly what your numbers show. Cln23 03:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, on the detail canvass report from the county from this May, I added up all the City of Pittsburgh wards and came out to 158925 Democrats, 31500 Republicans, and 29202 nonpartisan registered voters. This comes out to about 5.05:1 (feel free to check my math), so I'm going to remove the "dubious" designation and continue my search for an easier to read source that states this 5:1 ratio. Cln23 04:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Education section
This part was obviously written by a CMU student. How about it being a bit more balanced. Pitt is a much larger university, so surely it should have some prominence in the discussion. Also that photo isnt very representative. The Catherdral isnt that dark. It looks like the evil overbearing brother of CMU. 87.102.18.235 15:14, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Syria Mosque
This was a very popular venue for bands, I don't think it exists anymore but it is an important part of Pittsburgh history.Bronayur 18:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Jon Harchick
Jon Harchick AKA Moldytoaster lives in Pittsburgh.

poorly edited
I wish I had the time for a more thorough read-through, but the grammar and use of slang really needs to be cleaned up in this article. The phrase, "the homewood crips, which have had beef with the bloods..." for instance - had beef with? And in the section about stairs in Pittsburgh, the word "steps" is completely left out, then a few sentences later it states that many of them have "falled into disuse"  Falled?

This doesn't meet the quality standards for a grade school report in this condition, which doesn't reflect well on the city at all.

population
i don't have an outside source or anything, but i'm pretty sure that 394,000 is way too high. the list of us cities page says 312,000. 71.196.224.72 03:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'm not quite sure why it's at 394,000. I actually updated the population density using some handy-dandy division, but that seems to have been reverted. Now the population and the pop density are inconsistent with each other. I'd like to see a source for the 394,000 population figure. 128.118.40.79 20:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * http://www.census.gov/popest/cities/SUB-EST2006.html --Loodog 21:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. Along with the metro pop, which also created people out of nowhere.--Loodog 01:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Crime rate?
I noticed this odd contradiction:


 * Despite the high poverty rate, Pittsburgh has the lowest property crime rate and a lower-than-average violent crime rate among cities of similar size. But recent crime statistics may contradict this claim.

The information in the first reference comes from (according to the source) "FBI Uniform Crime Reports, 2005". The second reference says its data comes from "2003 FBI Report of Offenses Known to Law Enforcement". Isn't 2005 more recent than 2003? Tlesher 19:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Demographic Update
The statistics under the “Demographics” section were not up-to-date. The numbers currently listed there were from the 2000 Census, so I went to the U.S. Census Bureau’s website and found data from the 2005 Census. I updated the statistics, and reordered the paragraphs so that they were more cohesive.

Lauraluvs2knit 16:30, 6 September 2007 (UTC) Lauraluv2knit 9/6/07


 * I reverted back to the 2000 Census figures as it is the Wikipedia standard to use the 10 year census data for the complete demographics info. The off year updates are not as accurate, as is shown on the census website by the margins of error.  Also, the number you changed did not match the numbers listed at the Census site for 2005.  VerruckteDan 03:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Population rebound?
The sentence "Pittsburgh remains the principal cultural and economic influence in the eastern Ohio River Valley, despite a declining population that has begun to rebound since 2006." lists http://www.rand.org/commentary/091904PG.html as its reference. The article was written in 2004, how could this article support the statement?

It doesn't, or I'm completely missing something.

-Adam 67.163.224.50 23:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It doesn't. If you read the actual Census Estimate, the population dropped another 4,000 (1.3%) in 2006.  I've corrected this.--Loodog 16:07, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Cleanest City?
The end of the sentence is all wrong: "In 2007, Pittsburgh was named "America's Most Livable City" by Places Rated Almanac[8] and was one of the ten cleanest cities in the world in 2007[8]"

The source does not say anything about the cleanliness of pittsburgh as far as I can tell. Maybe the Places Rated Almanac does (though it doesn't mention cleanliness as a criteria), but the places almanac is not global. At the very best all Pittsburgh could be is one of the cleanest cities in the USA. But again, no valid source?

-Adam 67.163.224.50 23:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Sites of Interest
Should the Sites of Interest be put in alphabetical order or is it no big deal? Also is the Heinz History Center (Sports Sports Museum ) located at Heinz Field? (Showauthor 19:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC))

Club Zoo??
Hey I was just wondering if I can do a wiki page about Club Zoo. No I'm not trying to promote or anything like that I just wanted to see if it was alright and for proof it exists: Clubzoo.net or you can type it in youtube: Club Zoo Pittsburgh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin Souice (talk • contribs) 01:26, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A nightclub? I don't see how that would merit it's own section (let alone mention). OhNo itsJamie Talk 01:28, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it's a nightclub but I wasn't thinking about putting it on Here I was thinking about making a whole Article about it, and then MAYBE put it up on here. The reason why I'm thinking about doing this is because it's stated to be "Nationally Known" and not only that, it is one of the fewest Under-21 nightclubs in Pittsburgh let alone the only one. Kevin Souice 02:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)A-V
 * Stating that it's "nationally known" is not sufficient to establish notability. See WP:Notability and WP:Reliable sources for more info. In other words; there would have to be multiple non-trivial references to it in major media (not just local). OhNo itsJamie Talk 02:48, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Fake Population Numbers
The population numbers for 1990 and 2000 were fake...I fixed them. However, I did not check the more detailed statistical breakdowns.

[PDF] CENSUS INFORMATION FOR THE CITY OF PITTSBURGH 1990 2000 % ChangeFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML CENSUS INFORMATION FOR THE CITY OF PITTSBURGH. 1990. 2000 % Change. TOTAL POPULATION. 369879 334563. -9.5. Male. 171722 159119. -7.3. Female. 198157 175444 ... www.city.pittsburgh.pa.us/cp/assets/census/PittsburghWebComparison.pdf - Similar pages

Ryoung122 03:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)