Talk:Polysubstance use

reference for aggression/ethanol/benzodiazapine:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8410959 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.109.154.249 (talk) 12:58, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Another voice
I agree with the two commends below mine. The article should be title Polydrug use. Also, it's correct to say that the definition on the page is the secondary definition. If you read the medical literature, both from independent study and the US government, you'll see they use the term to describe users who frequently partake in multiple drugs, although not necessarily simulataneously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.65.251.110 (talk) 20:39, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, ya'll. There are a myriad of problems with this article if you don't mind me saying so. Firstly: the name. "Poly drug use" is a layman's permutation of the medically accepted polydrug (ab)use. Yes, the two words are conjugated. Secondly, the definition listed here is what I would call a secondary or minor definition. In truth, polydrug abuse refers to the tedency or practice of using more than one drug with great frequency, but has nothing (neccesarily) with the practice of combining two drugs to form a unique experience. For example, people who are chronic cannabis users but also partake in hallucinogens or painkillers (or anything else) are considered polydrug users. The term was coined to differentiate between single drug addicts (such as heroin) and drug users who are not neccesarily addicted to a single substance, but instead a variety of substances or the lifestyle of substance abuse. Check it out at the AMA. Of course, some literature reports the definition as stated here (but never terms it "poly drug" use) but this seems to be reliant on the Partnership for a Drug-Free America definition, and we all know US government organizations to be notoriously accurate in their knowledge/dissemination of knowledge as per drugs... Right.

Incorrect Article Name
Correct title should be "Polydrug use"

It's 2 words, not 3.


 * I moved it to Polysubstance use to make it consistent with the article Polysubstance dependence. --Bawanio (talk) 19:36, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

"Sometimes known as..."
"Getting crunk" can also refer to merely drinking, so I don't think that's really accurate (in fact, that's the only way I've seen it used). I've removed that little parenthetical tidbit. aubrey 22:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Percocet and Pop Rocks (also known as "Tickling the Devil's Taint (Perineum)."
Percocet and Pop Rocks (also known as "Tickling the Devil's Taint (Perineum)."

What the fuck?! Miserlou 05:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Only other reference I've seen is http://www.prawnsong.com/bullboard/showthread.php?t=37292 Fr0 03:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Small changes
Deleted the entry for cannabis + nicotine, polydrug use is the combination of drugs "to achieve a particular effect", the use of tobacco in spliffs is not for psychoactive reasons but practical/efficiency reasons.

Deleted the comment about cannabis and ecstacy, amoung people that use both cannabis is used before during and/or after taking ecstacy.

Mountain Dew and instant coffee is NOT a poly drug combination (unless you count mixing caffeine and sugar / other minor psychoactives, in which case either drink on its own would be "poly drug use). The primary active ingredient in both, and the only that most people would be conscious of, is caffeine.  That's no more a poly drug combination than combining dried cannabis buds and hashish.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.129.132.242 (talk) 21:57, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

People spin for nicotine —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.208.115.54 (talk) 11:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Gallagher's Breakfast
What the hell? Is this a real term? Ahubling 03:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

"Gasid"
I've never heard of this term for a combo of LSD and nitrous, and neither has the internet, other than your page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.206.243.160 (talk) 05:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Table
This could be useful —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil Ian Manning (talk • contribs) 09:01, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

does this article need a list of 'street names'?
Does the recitation of 'also may be known as' terms really add credulity to this article? I've got some problems.

 To start with, it's hard to believe (and possibly hard to verify) that individuals who mix marijuana and cocaine call it a 'woobanger.' the inclusion of only one or two terms for each combination gives the (false) impression that those are the only names that are used. An exhaustive list of terms and combinations seems outside of the scope of a wikipedia article, and would be better as a link to an external resource, possibly something current, and official, as opposed to relying on contributions from 'anon 67.190.94.116'. The list of combinations and their 'street names' is prefaced by a line describing it as 'including, but not limited to' - is it even close to being inclusive? Why include it at all? 

Seriously, this bears discussion - what value does this section add? If it helps, read the article, but cover that area up with your hand... are you missing anything? MattLohkamp 14:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt.lohkamp (talk • contribs)


 * I agree. A short and sourced list of the most common combinations is in scoope for the article and might be relevant, but not what this article has right now. Steinberger (talk) 14:54, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * So what do you think - leave it in for now, or take it out? MattLohkamp 07:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt.lohkamp (talk • contribs)


 * Take it out. Steinberger (talk) 13:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ohhh yeah, that looks much better. wonder who that anonymous reverter was? - matt lohkamp 10:10, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I have heard several of those terms used before. Also, I was looking at that page the day before the list was removed, and kind of got used to the way it looked that way. Oh well. I need to get a username... anon


 * There are millions of possible poly drug mixes and most of the thousands of different combinations that have been tried where probably given a name at some time. Some maybe even got a established street names, some combinations probably even has more then one. I can see the relevance of such a list in some 'urban dictionary', but not here. However, what would be relevant for this article is witch combinations are the most common among those indulging in poly drug usage. However, such informations should be properly sourced. Steinberger (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC).


 * As a parallel, check out the list of poker hand nicknames article - it has an extensive topical list of terminology, and if this article were to feature a similar block of content, it would have to be something roughly that quality in order to merit retention. - matt lohkamp 15:41, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

There are many common drug combinations, including, but not limited to: - * tobacco and marijuana (inside a joint called a "spliff", or as a cigar wrapping stuffed with marijuana instead of tobacco, known as a "blunt") - * marijuana and alcohol (referred to as a "green dragon") - * alcohol and tobacco - * tobacco and caffeine - * alcohol and caffeine (sometimes including energy drinks) - * marijuana and cocaine (known as "chewy" or "woobanger") - * marijuana and coffee (known as "hippie speedball") - * Mountain Dew mixed with spoonfuls of instant coffee (known as "prison speedball") - * Heroin and methamphetamine injected simultaneously (known as "flaming eightball") - * LSD and ecstasy (known as "candy flipping"  - * Psychedelic mushrooms and ecstasy (known as "hippie flipping" or "flower flipping" )   - * dextromethorphan and marijuana ("hyperspace")   - * dextromethorphan and Psychedelic mushrooms ("cherry bombing")   - * ecstasy and LSD and Psychedelic mushrooms ("psycho flipping")   - * marijuana and Psychedelic mushrooms (the marijuana as an anti-nausea)   - * cocaine and heroin or morphine (known as a "speedball")   - * cocaine and ketamine (known as "CK1" )   - * ecstasy and viagra (known as "sextasy" or "purple rhino," refering to the extremely tenacious erection which often ensues) - * ecstasy and ketamine (known as "kitty flipping" ) - * ecstasy and PCP (known as "elephant flipping" ) - * ecstasy and mescaline (known as "love flipping" ) - * heroin and diphenhydramine (known as "cheese") - * marijuana and PCP (known as a "wet daddy") - * crack and PCP (known as "space basing"PCP / Angel Dust) - * amphetamines and barbiturates or benzodiazepines - Poly drug use often carries with it more risk than use of a single drug, due to an increase in side effects, and drug synergy.

Read through it so it is in your memory. It is valid. Rule, OK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.208.115.54 (talk • contribs)

Citation needed
I think this is the reference required but I haven't found the original article yet: Fountain, J., Griffiths, P., Farrell, M., Gossop, M. and Strang, J. (1999): 'Benzodiazepines in polydrug-using repertoires: the impact of the decreased availability of temazepam gel-filled capsules', Drugs: Education, Prevention and Policy, Vol. 6(1), pp. 61–69 2829  VC 07:56, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Can this notice be removed with 7 cited references on the article "This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (September 2007)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.39.239.246 (talk) 10:46, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Notable combinations
Can you please revise the tables that I added? --Jilja (talk) 18:23, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Out-of-date info - What to do about it?
Folks,

I'm new to Wikipedia and found my way here searching references to "polydrug" use. Allow me to offer few comments and questions about process and content, made with respect: 1) Several folks on this TALK page have mentioned that the correct term is the single word "polydrug". I concur. And I wonder how these changes happen? Despite the several comments about spelling, it seems no action has been taken (over several years?).

2) Should a new entry (page) be made with a correctly-spelled URL? And does that mean the old one - /Poly_drug_use - is retired?

3) Content: A bigger issue is that the existing definition and examples seem to be primarily about intentional recreational drug use. Among professionals studying drug use and misuse, that's not where the discussion is at the present time (2018) which is unintentional polydrug use, especially it's connection to the opioid crisis. Moreover, it appears that the majority of comments in this TALK section are more than 10 years old.

4) Back to process: If a new URL is created, does all this older "secondary definition" material get moved to a new page? Or, is this page kept active and linked to?

5) Content: Is it at this point a more current, expanded definition can be developed? I think this is critical.

6) Regarding references, the citations here range from 1993-2011. My goodness! This is a growing body of research, with information coming from the U.S., Europe and Australia/New Zealand. Many more current citations are needed to do justice to this topic.

7) What to do? What to do?

8) I'm willing to do some of this work but want to be clear about what's-what before I devote serious time to it.

9) Addendum: Regarding the table and list of "street names" and the comment here in TALK about it, shouldn't a list like that be it's own separate page/entry?

Thanks for listening. Numd501 (talk) 15:56, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

PS...I don't know where these links came from that show up under my signature. I didn't put them there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Numd501 (talk • contribs) 15:59, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Just replying to your P.S, mostly for the benefit of future readers. The links were caused by another person inappropriately embedding formatted references into their posts above yours. I've just fixed the issue. Damien Linnane (talk) 22:01, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Featured list
Would you like to help me make this article a featured list? --Bawanio (talk) 15:13, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Bawanio. I'm happy to help work on it. Technically this isn't a list at the moment though. It's an article with a very large table. See Stand-alone lists. I'm actually wondering if the article should be split in general though, since for starters the table takes up a disproportionate amount of space. An article on Poly-drug-use and a list titled something like 'List of recreational drug combinations' could be two separate things. I'd probably want some feedback on whether that's a good idea, and whether that list meets all the criteria to stand on its own. The first place I'd start would be asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lists, and maybe contacting a couple of their high profile members and asking for comments at the discussion. Damien Linnane (talk) 21:54, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * If you want help it would also be worth emailing, who as you can see in the post above, expressed interest in improving this article quite some time ago. They're not active though, so use the 'Email this user' function in the sidebar to see if they'd still be interested. It's worth a shot. Damien Linnane (talk) 22:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * First I moved polydrug use to polysubstance use (see Talk:Polysubstance_use), then I moved the list to List of polysubstance combinations and clarified that "Polysubstance use may be used for entheogenic, or recreational purposes, with both legal and illegal substances." in both articles. Thanks. --Bawanio (talk) 20:49, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Good choice; looks much better to me. Damien Linnane (talk) 01:30, 19 January 2022 (UTC)