Talk:Powerlifting

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Why shorter?
Why do people keep making this article shorter?173.34.39.95 (talk) 02:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Gerrit Badenhorst
Was Gerrit Badenhorst not a world champion from 1988 to 1990? Perhaps in a different federation?Kwib (talk) 09:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I have now found it was the WPC version.Kwib (talk) 21:01, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Doug Hepburn missing
SFAIK Doug was one of the founders of the sport....curious as to why he's not here.Skookum1 (talk) 01:23, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Requested move: Powerlifting
moved. --RegentsPark (talk) 16:17, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Power lifting → Powerlifting — Nominator's rationale: Partly from noting the recent category change from two words to one word, and knowing that - in North America at least - this is normally one word - intending to move this to most common usage. But also noting the recent change of all the -ise spellings to -ize, i.e. from UK English to the US/Canadian spelling of those words, I'm wondering if the two-word name is what's used in the UK etc. Most powerlifting organizations etc on this side of the Atlantic anyway, use the one-word version.Skookum1 (talk) 17:12, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Suggested split
The tables of champions is pretty bulky, wondering what title it should be split away under - List of IPF world powerlifting champions or should "IPF" be spelled out/named in full; List of International Powerlifting Federation world champions seems a bit long but maybe necessary per WP:TITLE.Skookum1 (talk) 19:22, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Would support moving the content off this article and into a separate article. With a few citations and a little clean up, it could probably be made into a featured list as it already has the content list wise.  The long title might be worked around by doing something like List of IPF world champions. --LauraHale (talk) 05:05, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I recommend removing this table from this article because it is available in IPF article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.203.196.117 (talk) 10:43, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Defication during powerlifting
Hey guys. I came here to get some info on rectal prolapse and defecation during power lifting. A search and brief perusal of the article don't give the info I am looking for. I can find these subjects elsewhere but it would have been really convenient to have a link or very short statement mentioning anything about injuries. I don't know anything about this so I am unable to add the material myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.162.88.143 (talk) 07:22, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Highest Governing Body title violates NPOV
I removed the label because there is no way to verify what federation is the highest governing body of powerlifting. I don't think we're missing anything without the label, as it only detracts from the topic. For example, there is no such label under the picture for Olympic Weightlifting.

The melodramatic fool (talk) 16:09, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Squat
Why was my edit on the squat reverted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.119.145 (talk) 20:39, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Condense rules of performance
I propose condensing the rules of performance for each of the lifts to give a brief description of the discipline and a link to one or more rulebooks (perhaps noting major differences across federations). The current text is sometimes inaccurate and at other times only applicable to some federations and not others. Specifically:
 * The squat rules describe descending "slightly below parallel." To my knowledge the word "parallel" is not used in any powerlifting rulebook to describe the standard for depth. The rules state that the top surface of the leg at the hip joint (crease of the hip) must be below the top of the knee. In any case this is enforced with variable strictness across federations. Further, not every federation has a "squat" command (e.g., SPF). Consequently, other rules pertaining to this command (e.g., lifter gets one "squat" command per attempt) may not apply.


 * The bench rules describe that "the position of the head is optional" and that the lifter may bench on their toes. Neither is permitted in IPF competition--the whole foot must be on the floor and the head must be on the bench throughout the lift. At high-level meets (e.g. USAPL Bench Press Nationals), the lifter may not enlist a personal hand-off spotter, but must use the same spotter for hand-offs as the other lifters. Reverse grip is not permitted in IPF. Some federations may allow thumbless grip, but not reverse grip, while others allow any grip style. It is not clear what "commencement signal" refers to--some federations (IPF) have a "start" command before descent, others do not.

75.187.45.215 (talk) 16:44, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

IPF rulebook on powerlifts:

http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/fileadmin/data/Technical_Rules/IPF_rulebook_01_2012.pdf

Please refer to page 18 and following

Qewr4231 (talk) 01:24, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

USAPL rulebook on powerlifts:

http://www.usapowerlifting.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/USAPL-Rulebook-2013_1.pdf

Please refer to page 26 and following

Qewr4231 (talk) 01:26, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

USAPL discussion on squat depth: http://www.usapowerlifting.com/newsletter/06/novice/novice.html

Qewr4231 (talk) 01:31, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Deleting non-notable federations
I combed through the list of federations and deleted non-notable ones for the following reasons: - Global Powerlifting Alliance: only two member countries, founded 2009. (source) - Natural Powerlifting Association/NPLA: could not find any information on a federation of this name. - World United Amateur Powerlifting (WUAP): Fourteen member countries listed here, but international referees are drawn from only eight countries. - AWPC: affiliated with WPC, no need for separate entry. - 100% RAW: 2013 schedule lists meets in only four countries.

In the same edit, I deleted some inaccurate information: - The lifts are not always the squat, bench and deadlift. Some federations sanction a curl event while others do not sanction a squat event (e.g., WABDL--world association of benchers and deadlifters). - ADAU no longer exists as a separate federation; it merged with 100% RAW. - Since the IPF rule about belly benching is no longer in effect, I deleted it. 75.180.19.64 (talk) 19:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

List of powerlifting federations: http://www.powerliftingtowin.com/powerlifting-federations/

Qewr4231 (talk) 01:38, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Merge bench shirt article
I have expanded the discussion of supportive equipment, including bench shirts, to cover most of the content in the bench shirt article. I propose the latter article be merged to Powerlifting because bench shirts are only notable in the context of the sport of powerlifting, and the bench shirt article does not include enough material to warrant forking from the Powerlifting article. 24.26.129.36 (talk) 20:27, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

OPPOSE - If you merge these articles, you are all but inviting manufacturers and their fans to start including lists of suppliers or critiques of the different styles or types and I doubt that that anyone with any knowledge of power lifting wants that in the article. In my opinion, leave the "bench shirt" article as is and let it be improved (or suffer) as appropriate reliably sourced content is either made available or found. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 00:05, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * In that case, does it make sense for "bench shirt" to have a separate article from "squat/deadlift suit" (no such article yet)? I had submitted this AFC for a general article on supportive equipment in powerlifting, which was declined--as I understand it--because gear is not independently notable enough to justify its own article. I do not disagree with you but would like to hear more about how you think supportive equipment should be covered: in the powerlifting article, in a single independent article, or in separate articles for each type of gear. Thank you! 24.26.129.36 (talk) 02:37, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Personally, I like how the Power lifting article addresses equipment. Its brand neutral and simply discusses what is used in fairly generic terms. I find it hard to believe that not a single power lifting magazine has had an article about the various kinds of "supportive equipment" which could be used as references for the Bench shirt article and the creation of other similar ones. I'm an amateur power lifter and friends with Alan Aerts. I'm far from an expert, but I'm not completely ignorant either, option 3 is my choice.
 * As for notability, my regard for it is that its relative. Anyone outside of the powerlifting community wouldn't care in the slightest about equipment, but likely most of those in it would care. So if a subject is notable to the majority of a relatively small group, its still notable. Put another way, if the myriad of articles about individual episodes of tv shows and porn stars can exist, how is an article on deadlift suits going to hurt Wikipedia? My 2 cents... --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 02:00, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Scalhotrod, no reason to elaborate. Klausjensencom (talk) 15:19, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

USA Powerlifting website
I think the following link should be added going to the USA Powerlifting official website. There is plenty of information on this website and fits perfectly to this article.

http://www.usapowerlifting.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Velijof (talk • contribs) 20:45, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Effects of Powerlifting section
this section appears to be a direct quote from a book/other source which has not been edited and is voiced from a Me/My perspective. it may also not accurately represent the topic as it seems to only have one Source. maxwell 69.52.69.38 (talk) 11:19, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Agreed and believe this section should be deleted entirely as the content appears to be made up and does not make sense ("explosive strengths", "muscular plasticity"…) 75.180.52.108 (talk) 16:00, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Remove chip's gym and other non-notable gyms
The Gyms section seems like it's being used as ad space. Why is chip's gym listed? What makes it special? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.77.215.155 (talk) 19:52, 23 October 2015 (UTC) Chip's was removed, but this section remains so that similar advertisements don't sneak their way back in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.77.215.155 (talk) 19:56, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Weight classes as pounds or kilograms
I am trying to look up records for totals (trying to see if someone who set a record in 2009 still holds it) as they pertain to weight classes but having some trouble since whether they are measured metric or imperial seems to vary. http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/node/11221 refers to a 220 pound weight class for which Shawn Frankl held a 2,540 pound record (not sure when it was set) and Matt Kroc setting a 2,551 pound total in April 2009. It refers to UPA Powerlifting Nationals. If this is the United Powerlifting Association how notable is it they measure weight classes in pounds instead of kilos? Also does anyone know if Kroc's record still stands? I am trying to find whether anyone has broken it in the 7 years since. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 15:23, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

More images
I didn't know some stuff in it so if you add more images. It gonna help Walid2512 (talk) 19:25, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Overall classic/raw world records
This article definitely needs WR section. As there are many federations that should be overall WR's. There are two different weight class definitions so two WR lists. Some federations use monolift for squat and some allow wraps for squat and bench press and that should be differentiated (even though I'm not sure how much it helps in bench press). BP and S with wraps columns should be inputed only if WR is better that without wraps. ML - MonoLift - only if record is better that without spks - single ply knee sleeves that can be put on without assistance 213.149.61.48 (talk) 19:08, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

BP WRs in single lift vs BP WRs in total
Difference (in results) between bench press (and maybe squat) in single lift/full meet (and/or push-pull) competition and bench press in powerlifting competition needs to be explained. I noticed that WRs are (sometimes) kept separately for BP in powerlifting and single lift competitions and that WRs in single lift competitions are sometimes better. 213.149.61.48 (talk) 20:18, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

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Sumo is an acceptable variation of deadlift in all powerlifting federations
"Many communities and federations however do not class the sumo variation as a technical deadlift.[18]"

This is untrue, no powerlifting federation has restricted or made the sumo variation of the deadlift illegal. The sumo stance is often not allowed in Strongman competitions due to various deadlift-type events having higher starting positions. There are actually no rules regarding the width of stance in the deadlift in powerlifting. Research has determined that there is a difference in vertical bar distance, mechanical work, and predicted energy expenditure between sumo and conventional deadlifting, leading some to conclude that the sumo stance is somehow unfair. However, this recent, popular opinion that sumo is cheating has no bearing on the actual established rules of the performance of the lift.

Page 18 Deadlift 1. The lifter shall face the front of the platform with the bar laid horizontally in front of the lifters feet, gripped with an optional grip in both hands and lifted until the lifter is standing erect. 2. On completion of the lift the knees shall be locked in a straight position and the shoulders back. 3. The Chief Referee’s signal shall consist of a downward movement of the arm and the audible command “Down”. The signal will not be given until the bar is held motionless and the lifter is in the apparent finished position. 4. Any rising of the bar or any deliberate attempt to do so will count as an attempt. Once the attempt has begun no downward movement is allowed until the lifter reaches the erect position with the knees locked. If the bar settles as the shoulders come back (slightly downward on completion) this should not be reason to disqualify the lift.

Causes for Disqualification of a Deadlift: 1. Any downward movement of the bar before it reaches the final position. 2. Failure to stand erect with the shoulders back. 3. Failure to lock the knees straight at the completion of the lift. 4. Supporting the bar on the thighs during the performance of the lift. If the bar edges up the thigh but is not supported this is not reason for disqualification. The lifter should benefit in all decisions of doubt made by the referee. 5. Stepping backward or forward or moving the feet laterally. Rocking the feet between the ball and heel is permitted. Foot movement after the command “Down” will not be cause for failure. 6. Lowering the bar before receiving the Chief Referee’s signal. 7. Allowing the bar to return to the platform without maintaining control with both hands, i.e.: releasing the bar from the palms of the hand. 8. Failure to comply with any of the items outlined under Rules of Performance.

Page 22 Item 5. Deadlift 4.5.1 The lifter shall face the front of the platform. 4.5.2 The lifter has one attempt to complete the lift. Any rising of the bar beyond normal pre-lift set up or “lifter psyching” or any deliberate attempt to do so will count as a bonafide attempt. 4.5.3 The bar must be laid horizontally in front of the lifter’s feet, gripped with an optional grip in both hands. The lifter can start the lift at any time before the one minute clock expires. Once started, it must be lifted without any downward movement until the lifter is standing erect. The bar may come to a stop, but no portion may reverse direction at any time. 4.5.4 On completion of the lift, the knees, hips, and shoulders shall be locked in a straight position and the lifter is standing erect. 4.5.5 The Head Referee’s signal shall consist of a downward movement of the hand and the audible command “DOWN”. The signal will not be given until the bar is held motionless and the lifter is in the finished position. 4.5.6 The lifter will return the bar to the platform with both hands and under control. Item 6. Causes for Disqualification of a Deadlift 4.6.1 Any downward movement of the bar before it reaches the final position, prior to the “Down” command. 4.6.2 Failure to stand erect with the hips fully locked forward, and the shoulders in an upright, erect and locked position. 4.6.3 Failure to lock the knees straight at the completion of the lift. 4.6.4 Supporting the bar on the thighs during the performance of the lift. See diagram below. 4.6.5 Upward and downward “jerking” of the bar commonly known as “hitching”. 4.6.6 Stepping backward, forward or lateral movement of the foot, although rocking the foot between ball and heel is permitted. 4.6.7 Lowering the bar before receiving the Head Referee’s signal. 4.6.8 After the down command, the bar must be returned to the platform with both hands on the bar without any force or propelling of the bar downward. 4.6.9 Failure to comply with any of the requirements contained in the general description of the lift, which precedes this list of disqualifications. 4.6.10 Should the bar settle as the lifters shoulders come back (slight downward motion), this should not be reason to disqualify the lift. 4.6.11 Failing to begin the lift prior to the one minute time clock expiring. The lift will officially begin when the lifter makes a determined or deliberate attempt to raise the bar. 4.6.12 Shaking of the body under maximum exertion during the deadlift is not necessarily a cause for disqualification.

163.185.148.245 (talk) 00:34, 27 February 2018 (UTC) Adam Bell

endurance pl
endurance powerlifting / for repetitions powerlifting. more information about that type of competition: rules, world championships... 213.149.62.180 (talk) 09:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)