Talk:Preston North End F.C.

Preston North End F.C.
I believe this is a factually correct, thorough club history, and stands up when compared to any other football club histories, some of which are already featured articles. Dannypne7 12:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Bold text The date you have for Preston North Ends formation is in incorrect.... you have it as 1881 when in fact it is may of 1880..... The extract below is quoted from the clubs own web site, and a similar date is given in a new book about the club called "loud & proud Preston" by authors Mike Payne and Ian Rigby ( club historean )

"The success of other clubs on Lancashire who were playing soccer had not gone unnoticed at Deepdale and in May 1880 a resolution proposing the adoption of the association code was proposed by Mr Harry Cartmel and seconded by William Charnley and was carried unanimously." from pne's club web site

Squad template
Could somebody who knows about the team make a squad template? Guidelines can be found here SenorKristobbal 09:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Done. Hope its OK. Wikilinked the ones I know share names like Paul McKenna will check the other another time, when I'm not suposed to be working. Jimmmmmmmmm 16:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

A note on British English
British English should be used for articles on Britain related topics. Likewise, American English should be used on articles pertaining to American topics. For a clearer example, please visit this sub-section on the differences between their usage. However, is" works better than "are" with the term club as it is a singular and not a plural noun. (Compare with the word team which is a plural noun) --  S iva1979 Talk to me  13:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The word team is a collective noun. It is not a plural. Longwayround (talk) 13:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Why "North End"?
Why are they called "Preston North End", and not just "Preston"? Was there ever another team in Preston? Thryduulf 11:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

The ground is in the North End of Preston —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.30.210 (talk) 21:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

NPOV/tone
Tone and neutrality issues abound in this article - word such as "disastrous", "farce", "against all the odds", "unfortunately", "superbly", "woefully", "paltry", "long-overdue", "drubbing", "excellent", "storming" etc. fail either one or both of these criteria. Qwghlm 15:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Indeed. Well I've done a little on the pre-war period. No idea where citations are going to come from for all those random points though! aLii 00:00, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

History
Why was the history removed? HunterLionheart 17:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Lancashire Evening Post
Hey Tangerine mate stop taking the Lancashire Evening Post link off. It is not "spam" but a legitimate link to a newspaper website that offers comprehensive coverage of PNE's activities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.111.207 (talk • contribs) 15:58, 27 July 2007
 * Perhaps you need to look at the article and my last edit? Adding a general link to a newspaper site is a spam external link, like it or not. See Spam. I had though already added, before your message, a direct link to the PNE section of the LEP online which is what external links are for, and which is way more appropriate and easier to read. ♦Tangerines♦ · Talk 15:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

A minor problem
I would like to point out a minor problem with regards to the FA template shown above. When I click show the date is shown as November 2007. But when I click edit to this talk-page, the date is shown as November 2006. I just cannot comprehend this anomaly. Does anyone have any answers with regards to this? The template should be fixed but I do not know how. This is indeed a bit strange as well. -- S iva1979 Talk to me 18:53, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi. It comes up fine for me? I just clicked on show and this came up:

[hide]Article milestones Date Process Result November 27, 2006 Featured article candidate Not promoted Current Status: Former featured article candidate}
 * Preston North End F.C. is a former featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article milestones below to see why the nomination failed. For older candidates, please check the archive.

Not sure why it shows 2007 for you though? ♦Tangerines♦ · Talk 19:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I just had a look, and it shows 2007 for me in Firefox, I will now check IE. And yes when I edit it shows 2006. Phgao 19:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, IE and now FF both show the correct 2006, you may need to Clear the Cache, or refresh the page in the browser. It does seem strange it showed 2007 first for me too, but now is 2006. Hope I helped. Phgao 19:04, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This is indeed strange! When I click show again, the date is November 2007! I think there is something wrong with my browser. I am using Firefox. -- S iva1979 Talk to me 19:06, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, and just to add to the "strangeness" I just clicked on show again, and it now shows November 2007 for me too! How very odd! ♦Tangerines♦ · Talk 19:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok this is very strange, i see 2007 again, I think you could ask on ? Phgao 20:42, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Recent edits
An IP user keeps adding the following into the article:

"Simpson never had a good relationship with the Preston supporters and even blamed them for the bad run of form before turning on the match day announcer and bizarrely blaming the team's poor performance on his choice of pre match music."

The IP user has now reverted my removal of the content stating that it was "due to unwarranted editing". I should point out that the above edit is against a few wikipedia guidelines and policies and it will keep being removed if it is added in the above format. It was not "unwarranted editing" it was removing content that is against wikipedia policies and guidelines. Firstly, it cites no source whatsoever. Content needs to be sourced, especially so when discussing an individual and even more so when making critical comments about that person. In addition it breaks the NPOV policy and is quite clearly a personal comment. If a fully verifiable third party reliable source can be found, and used to support anything mentioned in the edit then by all means add it beack in, but not in the format above. There is for instance, an article in the LEP entitled, "Elvis banned from Deepdale" from August 2007, and that can be used.

I have repeatedly removed vandalism from this article, particularly from so called Blackpool fans, and I will continue to do so. However, the whole article is in need of some work as it has at present just one source. ♦Tangerines♦ · Talk 17:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Michael Burns (footballer)
Can any PNE editors please help me with this article that I'm trying to develop before it gets deleted ... ? Smile a While (talk) 23:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Probable vandalism
I have reverted a string of edits by ; I have no opinion about most of them but this one suggests it is best to revert them all. JohnCD (talk) 16:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Looks like the page has been vandalized again. I just happened by as I was looking at the Burnley page, so I am not going to revert or edit. Hopefully a frequent editor will catch it soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dubfiend (talk • contribs) 20:42, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Club records
Is there a statto anywhere who would care to provide sources for the club records? I have commented out with the unsourced information.Longwayround (talk) 13:35, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

David Beckham
Perhaps mention that David Beckham played for Preston North End when on loan from Manchester United. I can remember him scoring from a corner in one game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.21.235.10 (talk) 18:13, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Unbeaten Record
As well as Preston and Arsenal, Liverpool went through the 1892/93 season unbeaten in the Second Division. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.146.4 (talk) 11:51, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Current squad
Niel Mellor was sold last summer to Sheffield Wednesday, get over it, Blackpool are now superior oh and as Iain turner currently hasn't got a club as his loan period with you is up, i've removed him too. Seasider91 (talk) 20:01, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Away colours
Will someone change our away kit to the correct colour for the current 2011/2012 season — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.170.234.83 (talk) 20:38, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of Preston North End F.C. managers


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I should add that I find it bizarre that nobody has been able to produce a reliable source for the managerial records. Longwayround (talk) 18:08, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

'Notable players' versus 'important players'
What's the difference, and why make the distinction? 86.23.46.121 (talk) 19:54, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

New crest for t2014/15 season
The crest needs to be updated - it features again the PP. Marcos08 (talk) 01:31, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Done! --DaveG12345 (talk) 09:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Football club was established 1880
This article is about the football club, established 1880.

It is not about the defunct cricket club, which was established 1863.

No less an authority than the club badge confirms 1880 as the founding date of the football club (please see: ), as does the club's own history page: "Preston North End can be traced back to 1863, but at that time it was linked with cricket and the first game of football was fifteen years away. [...] The success of other clubs in Lancashire who were playing soccer had not gone unnoticed at Deepdale and in May 1880 a resolution proposing the adoption of the association code was proposed by Mr Harry Carmel and seconded by William Charnley and was carried unanimously." 

Subsequent official football club anniversaries etc. relate to the 1880 date.

The Infobox should therefore contain 1880. The article body correctly notes the 1863 founding of the cricket club, which gives due weight to this fact. --DaveG12345 (talk) 08:39, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

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Preston v. PNE
I did a little looking. While the club refers to itself as PNE, the media call it Preston, per news stories I saw at the BBC in particular. Based on that, I'm inclined to say that Preston is the common short form of the club's name. —C.Fred (talk) 20:31, 19 January 2022 (UTC)


 * It wasn't in doubt; is just a sockpuppet of the person doing the same edits under an IP the previous day. Seasider53 (talk) 21:05, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed. While local media and the club themselves tend to use a mix of "PNE" and "North End", the substantial majority of all available sources use "Preston". wjematherplease leave a message... 16:41, 23 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Would it be helpful to have something in the lead like "... commonly abbreviated to  "Preston" although the club uses the abbreviation "PNE" ",(with sourcing) to clarify and acknowledge the situation? And then continue to use "Preston" in text as the commonly-used short form of the name.  Pam  D  16:54, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, a statement regarding abbreviations is a good idea, although I would omit use by the club since use extends well beyond that (and they use "North End" equally). wjematherplease leave a message... 17:14, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I've restored the statement that had been long-standing (although reformatted, expanded and contracted over the years) until it was removed completely in Jan 2021. wjematherplease leave a message... 15:45, 28 January 2022 (UTC)