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Welcome to the drive!
Welcome, welcome, welcome PamD! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles. CactiStaccingCrane (talk)15:39, 2 February 2024 UTC //en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PamD&action=purge refresh via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)

Concern regarding Draft:Sonder (band)
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 * The unsourced content which I draftified was created by two IP editors. The redirect I created remains. Pam  D  17:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Grantley Hall Page
Hello Pam,

Grantley Hall page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grantley_Hall

The image of Grantley Hall should be dated or replaced with a current image. As this is a very old image it can be missleading as it does not currently look like that.

This is an image that is avaibale to use if you do not wish to date the first image: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/j969lgv37o82y5z23l8w8/Tom-Sykes-image.jpg?rlkey=5np32k1oqmic27hqcdsiufz35&st=fv021fg8&dl=0

Thank you

Jade 82.31.227.237 (talk) 20:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hallo Jade, I guess that you might work at the hotel, in which case please read WP:COI and WP:PAID. You may or may not be the same anonymous editor who added text which was not present in the reference immediately following, creating a misleading impression that the addition was sourced.
 * I have dated the existing image as you requested, and added a little more, properly sourced, content about the hotel. Please note that nothing should be added to a Wikipedia article unless it can be supported by reliable independent published sources - in fact using the hotel's own website for its history is shading things somewhat but OK for plain facts like the date it opened.
 * No we cannot include an image provided via dropbox. If anyone who owns the copyright of an image wants to upload it they should use the "Upload file" option available on the edit menu,  Pam  D  22:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Driving by - nice work on the gardens, but what we want for the main pic is a daylight image centred on a main facade, which I suspect (if only because of listings) won't look that different from the current one, but be of better quality. Johnbod (talk) 13:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Boy With The Boot location
Hey - I see you added the Stockholm, Sweden and Caracas, Venezuela location because of a 14 year old letter to the editor.

Stockholm used to have a statue but I contacted the restaurant a year and a half ago and they don't have the statue. I also contacted a business owner in Svappavaara, Sweden (a town of less than 500 people). He had no knowledge of a statue.

Should these locations really be listed / mentioned if there is no proof they exist?

I ask this, as a person who has traveled to several locations only to be turned away or denied access. I'd hate for people to go on wild goose chases (as I almost did - last time I was in Sweden).

It looks like you do a lot of Wiki editing so I'd be interested in your take. I personally don't think a 'letter to the editor' should be used as proof of existence. The letter doesn't offer any source and makes me think they just copped that information from the previous Wiki article.

Let me know your thoughts. SoupCanHand (talk) 17:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @SoupCanHand Thanks for taking an interest in the article. I'm sorry if you've had wasted journeys. The letter to the editor of 1975 cannot have sourced its information from our 2009 Wikipedia article, but I've tweaked our article to make it clearer that it was just one report. I'm contacting the author of the "Obscure Vermont" blog to ask about his sources, as it sounds as if there is even more info, or speculation, out there! Pam  D  09:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Logo of Hanoi International School, 2014.png
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Eva Leigh (artist) - stub
Hi Pam. I hope this finds you well? A little while ago you told me that you were experienced in creating stubs. Well I am not experienced thus, so please would you kindly run your eye over the above? I am aware that there is a lot of research currently going on (by the Mercer Art Gallery and by a PhD), about this artist, and that at least one book is planned. So I have created the stub with a minimum amount of material that is well and truly in the public domain, and await the forthcoming book(s) and a later expansion of the stub by others (or me, if they don't pony up with the book). So I was hoping you might kindly glance at it and let me know if I need to do any more to confirm notability or whatever? Hope that's OK. Storye book (talk) 20:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hallo @Storye book good to hear from you. I'm not sure that Eva will survive as an article: it doesn't really look as if she passes notability. I thought "Perhaps she could have a section, or at least a mention, in Mercer Art Gallery, but then found that that doesn't exist - even as a redirect to the very brief mention in Harrogate (but not in Harrogate where I looked for it!) When the forthcoming book appears, that would be very useful to substantiate her notability. She isn't in https://artuk.org, and doesn't seem to have any mentions beyond the very local. Did any national or even regional newspapers review the exhibition of her work? Did the Mercer's booklet have an ISBN, or is its full text available online anywhere? The Mercer doesn't seem to have its own website, I can only find a basic facts listing at https://www.northyorks.gov.uk/leisure-tourism-and-culture/museums-and-galleries/museums-harrogate-area/mercer-art-gallery and its Facebook page.
 * It might be useful to create an article about the gallery, or at least a section on it in Harrogate, where you could include some info about Leigh.
 * As yet she doesn't seem to meet WP:NARTIST convincingly, but it all depends on the randomness of whether some deletionist happens to come across the article! I added a source I found which might or might not be considered a WP:RS. Good luck. Pam  D  07:28, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for that, Pam. Yes, that is why they are both writing books (at least Young definitely is, the Mercer book is hearsay so far). There is currently a bit of a song and dance about the fact that Leigh is a "new discovery" to them, which is why you found little in the Media, and why I am waiting for the book. Apparently, some time within the last year or so, the gallery suddenly had a large set of drawings dumped on them, along with some papers or whatever, which enabled the beginning of the research. From there, they are still finding more information. I attended a public lecture on this artist some days ago at Harrogate Library, and that was the first I had heard about it. The art itself exists alright: I saw it in the gallery. I should add that I have no personal connection whatsoever with the research on the artist, with the gallery, or with the author Young. I'm just an onlooker. I am sure that when the book comes out, it will be possible to make a decent article of it. I shall keep an eye open for a local newspaper review of the exhibition. Storye book (talk)
 * I've just had a look at WP:NARTIST#Creative professionals. She does fit 4(b) in that she currently has an exhibition dedicated entirely to her only, and the exhibition fills several rooms near the gallery entrance.. Also 4(d): most of the works in the exhibition are part of the gallery's permanent collection. Those facts are in the article, and cited. No doubt further items in collections will surface in due course. Storye book (talk) 09:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Storye book But 4b talks about "significant exhibition", and 4d "notable gallery", so outside reviews of the exhibition, and better coverage of the Mercer Gallery, would both be useful in demonstrating her notability. Pam  D  19:30, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * And 4d says "several", so the Mercer alone doesn't meet it. Pam  D  19:32, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Bother. That means I have to do an article on the Mercer Gallery. That will not be difficult as I have sources to hand, but it will have to be second in the queue, as I'm currently 3/4 of the way through creating another article. It so happens that I have already notified a major regional newspaper of the Eva Leigh exhibition, though, and suggested that they review it. They have reviewed exhibitions at the Mercer in the past, so fingers crossed. Thank you so much for your support and suggestions. I have always been nervous of creating stubs, but now I am learning. Storye book (talk) 09:14, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Mercer Art Gallery done, and linked in the above stub. Thank you for the advice on that. It turns out that the gallery is indeed notable, and it has plenty of "what links here"s. Storye book (talk) 08:33, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Impressive! Your usual thoroughness, as compared to my stubs. I've added it to the dab page at Mercer and added Sidney to the surname page at Mercer (surname). Well done - it seems that the article was way overdue!
 * Should the Grade II listed status be in the infobox? Not sure whether it's a standard field for museums but it ought to be possible to shoehorn it in there somehow? And maybe in the lead "Lower Harrogate's grade II liste Old Town Hall"?
 * I've spent too much time in the last week on MPs and constituencies. One incentive to stay up till all hours last Friday was that I had an oven-ready draft for the person I hoped would be my new MP, and indeed I moved it to mainspace at 05:10 as soon as I saw the result! A lot of effort would be saved if we had some sort of uniform approach to creating new MP articles, and reporting on election results (and boundary changes), but meanwhile, given the collegial anarchy of Wikipedia, I've been randomly improving articles I'm interested in or have come across. All good fun, but I'm way behindhand with a lot of real life stuff (have just switched off Radio4, sacrificing The Archers, to get various things done before a day in front the television for Wimbledon and football, but I seem to be letting myself get distracted.)
 * Must go. Happy Editing, and congratulations on a splendid article on the gallery. I'm glad to have had a tiny part in its creation. Pam  D  10:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your support. It is much appreciated. I had not thought of using Sidney Agnew Mercer in a redirect - well done! Storye book (talk) 10:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

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New UK MP articles
If you're thinking of creating new articles for newly-elected UK MPs in the next few hours... you might find useful a Boilerplate outline I've created at User:PamD/MP. It reminds you of some of the standard useful infrastructure. Pam D  18:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of List of fictional British and Irish universities for deletion
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Your draft article, Draft:Sonder (band)


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In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 16:36, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Murugan
I am just expanding and improving the article Murugan in order to make it a good article on Wikipedia by removing the redirect and typos in it and adding good and accurate content there but you are reverting my good faith edits always. I am telling you to not revert them for this reason and let me improve and expand that article.__NOINDEX__ 2409:40F4:2B:E3F7:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 05:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @2409:40F4:2B:E3F7:8000:0:0:0 You seem to be creating a second article about Kartikeya. Where a deity has multiple names, Wikipedia redirects all but one name to a single article. If you are writing about a different topic called "Murugan", you need to make this clear in the lead sentence. Pam  D  05:42, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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