Talk:Pride flag

Gay man flag
Most of these flags here are not really mainstream, you wouldn't be able to show it to someone on the street and have them recognize it besides like, the rainbow one. I don't think the fact that it is originated in social media should be a point against it, as the lesbian one also was. I don't think including the most used flag for gay men, a huge part of the LGBT community, is "indiscriminate archiving of all flags".

Things showing how common it is:

Google searches, just to show there are many results: https://www.google.com/search?hl=pt-BR&tbs=sbi:AMhZZit-MEm4E20pki9S5rtHH-tamYA5r4g23kTwUlnyoVRtSDVqOtIPER4Id9IAgrf3GZriCcoI1O-zlPjjXAbCqFm9kqluOKh_1jWTahu44a5s-VoALG1j8mDOuXGqYCGXuyNsjPmO3TyV2EusiIGT_1pVWAZicwJwUy4DBjCFkqvFP6jkdqT646XWQLnjW8DLbMbC33oI0Q-ahFi8Is2FGYuJSlsZqWi1901KpM_1fR8AyLXZNiBhtWxHwoHo63QPx3HOpdjbrwev7d_1Bk0aa9Sy0mdqo_1dgvutOMC7g6HLRyu6gMaMUTDPnZzZVptB8qU4uY6iP9Gou_1zVMem6BDB7Ke1LYtkUJfw&sxsrf=ALeKk032omIcgdWjTN9ErqF-iHYVEWQw1Q:1618816680590&ei=qC59YN7AI5md5OUPxMyYiAw&start=0&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwjetM-J4onwAhWZDrkGHUQmBsE4ChDx0wN6BAgBEDQ&biw=1366&bih=657

https://www.google.com/search?hl=pt-BR&tbs=sbi:AMhZZit-MEm4E20pki9S5rtHH-tamYA5r4g23kTwUlnyoVRtSDVqOtIPER4Id9IAgrf3GZriCcoI1O-zlPjjXAbCqFm9kqluOKh_1jWTahu44a5s-VoALG1j8mDOuXGqYCGXuyNsjPmO3TyV2EusiIGT_1pVWAZicwJwUy4DBjCFkqvFP6jkdqT646XWQLnjW8DLbMbC33oI0Q-ahFi8Is2FGYuJSlsZqWi1901KpM_1fR8AyLXZNiBhtWxHwoHo63QPx3HOpdjbrwev7d_1Bk0aa9Sy0mdqo_1dgvutOMC7g6HLRyu6gMaMUTDPnZzZVptB8qU4uY6iP9Gou_1zVMem6BDB7Ke1LYtkUJfw&sxsrf=ALeKk00woceWKPRQRVpXRIy7_qWrkmsjww:1618815953766&ei=0St9YOKRLv7P5OUP8Lyx2AM&start=20&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwiivoWv34nwAhX-J7kGHXBeDDs4ChDy0wN6BAgBEDk&biw=1366&bih=657

Physical versions of it to buy: https://pridenation.lgbt/products/blue-gay-men-flag

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08B4QGSRF/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_-u5-Eb8BG772B

https://www.1000flags.co.uk/gay-male-pride-striped-5-x-3-150cm-x-90cm-flag-76197-p.asp

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gay-Male-Striped-Flag-5-x-3-FT-New-100-Polyester-Rainbow-Gay-Pride-LGBT-/402635212118

Pins and many other products: https://www.etsy.com/listing/754583534/gay-man-gay-male-gay-bear-pride-flag-pin?utm_source=OpenGraph&utm_medium=PageTools&utm_campaign=Share https://www.fursonapins.com/shop/product/631

https://gayprideshop.co.uk/collections/gay-male-mlm

https://www.etsy.com/shop/OnTrendShirts?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=797258710&search_query=MLM

There are many more links at the source of its creation (https://gayflagblog.tumblr.com/merch).

Articles or so about it or that include it: https://cadehildreth.com/pride-flags/ (source posted)

https://queercafe.net/symbols.htm

http://www.rowanwritingarts.org/writers-insider-blog/sidestepping-stereotypes-an-interview-with-students-scott-maclean-and-georgia-iris-salvaryn-on-lgbtq-stereotypes-in-literature-marissa-stanko

https://orientando.org/search/apora/

https://www.josiewrites.com/2021/02/19/writing-gay-characters/

https://entendi2.com/nueva-bandera-gay

https://elclosetlgbt.com/noticias/hombre-trans-y-gay-propone-anadir-nueva-bandera-exclusivamente-gay-a-la-comunidad-lgbt/

https://escriturafeminista.com/2018/06/19/cicloorgullolgbtia-identidad-gay/

https://codigopublico.com/rompiendo-codigos/bandera-gay-necesidad-o-capricho

I could also find many many examples of it being used on social media, but I was told that was irrelevant to adding things here... When imo it really shouldn't. The way LGBT youth expresses themselves absolutely matters, and the fact that such being done in social media is considered not valid is, legimately saddening to me. And this is a website that archives plenty of things related to the internet.

It might seem like I'm just someone randomly deciding to put this nonsense here, but there's the fact that, a version of the file was originally uploaded here back in 2019, it was included in another article before I even tried putting it in pages myself, after the revert of my original one on LGBT symbols someone else(that isn't me, or the original uploader, or the one who added it to the gay men page) added it back, so clearly this is something that a considerable amount of people think deserve to be here and not just some random whim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wonkakun (talk • contribs) 7:41, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Polyamory and Leather Flags
Polyamory and the leather fetish is not inherently LGBT. A pride flag means a flag that represents a romantic orientation, sexual orientation, or gender that is inherently LGBT. Also, polyamory is listed under romantic attraction flags. Polyamory is a relationship style not a form of romantic attraction. Also, leather is a fetish not a sexual orientation, gender, or romantic orientation. Fetishes and relationship styles are not inherently apart of the LGBT community. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by DarknessGoth777 (talk o  contribs)  17:56, 10 February 2024


 * Deleting the Leather Pride Flag from the gallery page would be very ill-advised, since the gay male "leatherman" sub-culture (or "old guard" as it's known now) was very well organized in the 1960s and 1970s, when a number of the other groups with symbols on the page were completely unknown, and would not become known until decades later... It would be blatant historical revisionism. AnonMoos (talk) 18:40, 10 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure how it would be historical revisionism. The leather flag was not made specifically for the gay male leather scene it was made for the leather scene as a whole. DarknessGoth777 (talk) 19:06, 10 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Whatever -- The gay-male "old guard" leathermen in the U.S. were very well-organized (and prominent in some circles) when most other things having to do with gays and lesbians were rather disorganized, and most additional identities were very obscure at best. I don't think that erasing this long history while allowing flags referring to much more recently-established identities does anything to help the article. AnonMoos (talk) 21:23, 10 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure how not including the leather flag as apart of the article is erasing history. Again the leather flag was not made specifically for the gay male leather scene. DarknessGoth777 (talk) 03:45, 12 February 2024 (UTC)


 * It's a little unfortunate that you're preoccuppied with the abstract semantics of what the flag could represent, rather than the concrete reality of what it does commonly stand for. AnonMoos (talk) 08:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm saying that the leather flag and the polyamory flag are not pride flags because having a fetish for leather or being interested in polyamorous relationships are not inherently LGBT. DarknessGoth777 (talk) 06:11, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


 * There may not be a strictly logical connection, but there's a strong historical connection in terms of concrete groups who had a strong early presence in the history of homosexuality in the mid-20th-century U.S.A., and removing the flag would be to ignore such history in the name of abstract semantics -- something which would be especially obnoxious because the "old guard" gay male leather community were well-organized at a time when many of the other identities represented by flags on this article were extremely obscure or almost unknown... AnonMoos (talk) 00:48, 16 February 2024 (UTC)


 * And also polyamory is not a form of romantic attraction it's a type of relationship so it shouldn't be placed under romantic attraction flags either. DarknessGoth777 (talk) 06:12, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

"Israel" flag is not accepted by general queer community due to its extremist roots
From the very source given for the flag, this flag was banned from Chicago's Dyke March because of its usage by political extremists "using Israel's supposed 'LGBTQ tolerance' to pinkwash the violent occupation of Palestine". If there are no sources for this flag being used outside of political provocateurs, it is misleading to give it as an example of a pride flag. There are other Jewish pride symbols which do not invoke the exact design of Israel's flag and locational pride symbols tied to the land of Palestine that would be more fitting inclusions. Vovbv (talk) 03:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Whatever -- if the flag is used IN Israel by Israeli gays, than I don't see what anybody outside Israel has to say about it. Furthermore, the six-pointed star was used as a Jewish community symbol in Prague (now in the Czech republic) beginning about 1354, almost 600 years before the Israel existed as a nation-state or the flag of Israel was adopted, and has appeared on many synagogues etc. throughout Europe and the United States since around the late 18th century.  The word "Extremism" here seems to mean little beyond "I personally don't like Israel"... AnonMoos (talk) 11:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

adjust Asexual and Lesbian flag links?
Adjusted Pride_flag "gay men" link TO link to Gay_men%27s_flags (similar to sections' Bisexual_flag and Pansexual_flag links. Suggestions for same section: how about
 * 1) adjusting Asexual link from Asexuality#Community to Asexual flag (OR Asexuality)?
 * 2) adjust Lesbian link to Lesbian flags? --EarthFurst (talk) 19:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * On a similar note: wondering about
 * Pride_flag section with adjusting Aromantic link to linking to Aromantic_flag
 * Pride_flag section with adjusting Non-binary link to linking to Non-binary flag. (similar to that section linking to Transgender_flag) --EarthFurst (talk) 20:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)