Talk:Professional wrestling strikes

Powerhouse
A hard elbow drop to one's head. Typically inflicted with a running start. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saracess7 (talk • contribs) 20:17, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Spinning Heel Kick
Hardcore Holly is show doing a dropkick to the head of Kennedy, not a Spinning Heel Kick —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.235.25.201 (talk) 14:06, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Clothesline from Hell
Isn't it exactly like the Lariat? If not, what's the difference?--79.181.116.105 (talk) 23:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

The Clothesline from Hell involves the rebound off of the ropes, and the "wind-up" where he swings his arm back, before going forward.-Blackmachismo131 (talk) 06:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Discussion
The picture of the jackhammer is really blurry could someone look for a better picture?

--Relaxation 17:50, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

first off what the hell is it doiun there... along with chokeslam and the piledrivers there not attacks there kinds of throws and if you look they are on the throws page.... i leave it for one day and you ppl mess up the things i create grrrrrr Paulley 18:00, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The jackhammer is a move by Bill Goldberg and it is a signature move or if you call it a throw that's all right. Anyway I hope you can clear it up.

--Relaxation 18:15, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

While I appreciate the visual aides, do we really need the WWE Divas teaching us about wrestling holds? I'd rather see visual demonstrations by people who aren't wrestling like they're trying not to break a nail. --Tayocham 10:37, 31 August 2006 (CST)

The jackhammer is a delayed brainbuster variation, which is listed up in the suplexs... i think. lol anyway thanks for the notice i cleared it up.

--Paulley 19:24, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I thought the Big Splash was a generic name for both the Horizontal(belly flop) and the Vertical(sit) splash? Eg. Compare Earthquake(Jump around a couple times, bounce off ropes, sit on opponent) vs Viscera(bounce off ropes, belly flop onto opponent).

False Move(s)
Detonator (and other countless moves that have been added by anon on the wrestling move pages)

They all end like this: "This attack has never been used by a professoinal wrestler. The detonator is invented by William Hallin, Umeå, Sweden, as the wrestler Sgt. Bash."

plz can someone prove to me that this is actually a real move. even the person that wrote it says its never been used

why is it in this artical???!! please if you can either get me proof of the move or just delete it would be much appriciated. Paulley 16:11, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I would just like to point out that since this entire article reads like a page form a video game instruction manual anyway... who cares? SoheiFox (talk) 23:56, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * First off, that comment was from over 4 years ago. Secondly, the article does need improvement. Despite how it reads, it's a vital page that is linked to from almost all pro wrestling articles. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 00:25, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Moved dropkicks and enzuigiri to kicks
I moved dropkicks and enzuigiri into the kicks section, since they are kicks. Remember that we aren't a wrestling fansite, so we can't assume readers are already familiar with the terminology; we should format these move glossaries so that readers unfamiliar with wrestling can easily find the description of a move they've seen but not heard the name of. &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 20:48, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds fair enough to me, what about "stomps" (i guess you could consider this a drop as in a foot drop), "knee lift", "high knee" and "shinning wizard" (that's a kick) Paulley 10:29, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Other than the shining wizard (unmistakably a kick), those are in a grey area. Knees could be considered a separate section. Single-foot stomps are kicks, while jumping double-foot stomps are less kicklike, but if the former is included the latter should be too.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 22:31, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
 * On saying that you could consider the double stomp as a kind of dropkick variation (if you think real hard and squint your eyes a bit)... so it too should really be included. -- Paulley 19:18, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Are these moves illegal?
For real, what is so "illegal" about a bell clap? When has a fireball ever been used?

I have moved bell clap out of the illegal moves section and I have deleted fireball.

Anybody who belives that bell clap should be moved back and that fireball should be added to this article, then post your criticism or else I will keep moving both entries if I ever see that both are in the illegal moves section again. (According to the history, this is by Scorpion--remember to sign your comments. --Paulley 08:54, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC))

:The keyword here is "Attempted".
 * Fireballs have been a staple of heel wrestlers for decades, most notably The Sheik and Paul Bearer. In future please conduct some research before deleting entries. McPhail 21:47, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Fireballs are also somewhat popular in Japan, AIUI, although as a variant of the "poison mist" rather than something thrown from the hand. I believe you're right about the bell clap not being illegal, though&mdash;it's pretty much the standard way to escape a bear hug.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 15:53, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Questions
I'm kind of new at this and was trying to help out. I tried adding Kenta and B-Boy as notable users of the Shining Wizard but it did not go through. B-Boy may only be an indy wrestler but he undoubtedly has the best SW on this side of the pacific. I was also wondering if I should add a new section or just add on to this notes on the Shining Black (Used by Chono) and Shining Enzuigiri (Used by Low Ki). Then there is also the Shining Triangle, but that is a submission move, but there's no mention of it under Triangle lock.


 * Well i can understand adding B-Boy... but it's best to do it when you actually have a link to his article, not just making his name bold when adding notable users please add like this " [Wrestlers name] ([there name for it]). Add mentions of variations, unless they are widely used by many wrestlers. Oh if posible make yourself a user and get an account... we have a lot of vandalism and we have a tendance to just revert anon edits... anyway thanks for asking questions Paulley 21:36, 6 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Were you the one that added the annoying animated GIF of B-Boy's running knee strike? Not only are animated gifs a big no-no in running content, but that move wasn't even a shining wizard (B-Boy may call it that, which doesn't matter). This doesn't mean that it shouldn't be listed, such as Gregory Helms's enzuigiri that he, or atleast WWE, calls Shining Wizard. By all means add Shining Triangle. It is on my long list of things to add, which I probably won't get to in a long time.
 * ↪Lakes 05:17, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

questionable redirect
why on earth is this article at the receiving end of an auto-redirect from 619 (number) ?????


 * Look at its page history --- Paulley 18:02, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

"stanger"?
Can you really call anything in professional wrestling an 'attack'? Aren't attacks meant to actually harm someone? Professional wrestling is entirely staged. It's an acrobatics exhibition. 206.190.139.254 20:15, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * If you've got an altenative suggestion, give it. The name isn't perfect, but for example "strikes" wouldn't be accurate. The words "attacker" and "victim" are already to be replaced with "wrestler" and "opponent".
 * ↪Talk) 20:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * How about just 'professional wrestling moves'? Or is that too general?  'Professional wrestling moves that are engineered to seem harmful'?  'Harmful-seeming professional wrestling moves'?  206.190.139.254 21:42, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Though so. We also have throws, holds, and aerial techniques. Unless someone comes up with something better than attacks for these types of moves attacks will have to stay.
 * ↪Lakes (Talk) 21:52, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * How about instead of calling it 'professional wrestling' you call it 'fake fighting'? 206.190.139.254 21:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * How 'bout you stop being a petty wise-ass?

why call something you like a bad thing

Spear
Should we add the spear? Perhaps under 'headbutt'? ViperBite 03:55, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * lol, see here --- Paulley 15:37, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Enzuigiri
"Enzuigiri" commentary is lie.Please make some revisions.
 * You do it.Bdve 15:12, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Forearm smash?
Does anyone actually have this as a specifically named move? In the UK a European uppercut is known as a forearm smash, and has been for decades. Sasaki 22:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Misalbeled picture
In the elbowdrop picture, there is no way that's KoKo. Isnt that D-Von?


 * It is in fact KoKo during Rob Conway's run of defeating old school WWE gimmicks. –– Lid(Talk) 09:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Why are common typos relevant?
I mean, I'll get reverted, so I'm not going to make this edit anymore. But who cares if people misspell the name of a move? How is that relevant content for an encyclopedia? Croctotheface 06:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I was indeed reverted, sans explanation as to why it matters at all. Anybody? Why does an encyclopedia care about misspellings?  Lots of words are misspelled all the time, should every article include such a mention? Croctotheface 00:26, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It wasn't reverted, it was re-added. If misspellings are common enough then yes they deserve mention.«»bd(talk stalk) 00:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Why? Croctotheface 01:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Because it can head off confusion.«»bd(talk stalk) 01:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * If the concern is that editors will come to the article and change the article to introduce a misspelling, a hidden comment would accomplish the same goal. But I suppose that if these kinds of edits have been an issue in the past, it makes some degree of sense. Croctotheface 01:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Isn't the Pure Division gone?
Didn't Nigel McGuiness's pure title merge with Bryan Danielsons ROH World Title, thus destroying the pure division? Please correct me if I am wrong. If I am right then I, or someone else, should edit the bit in the article that states that ROH's pure division does not tolerate punches.

83.233.58.34 20:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC) Bold text

Help
I use these type of articles all the time to look up stuff, but they are very hard to find. If I search Professional Wrestling Kicks, I usually don't find what I'm looking for. Can something be done for this? It has become very tedious.

Kenka Kick
"Kenka means "fight" in Japanese" But I think it herein means "けんか (懸架)".

Splash Section
I was looking at the Splash section, and I noticed "Five Star Frog Splash" wasn't listed. Maybe somebody could add that, assuming it is a professional wrestling attack.24.218.139.157 02:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)User:24.218.139.157

Katum mite 12:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC) katum_mite says: It's not in the splash section since it's more of an aerial technique than a           normal attack. Also, the Five Star Frog Splash shouldn't get it's own section since it's just a variation of the Frog Splash used by Eddie Guerrero(RIP), Chavo Guerrero and whole lot of other people.

Removed random crap PayneXKiller 03:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Users of moves?
I'm curious to know why certain sections are 'allowed' to have known users of the moves listed and linked and yet my edits to other sections with the same info have been reverted twice with no discussion or explanation other than "Don't do that". A quick perusal of the article reveals over 40 direct references to wrestlers who use certain moves, and I'm not counting the ones named after wrestlers. Either accept the additional info or edit the entire article to remove all such references for uniformity. I will add as a side note that accurate descriptions of wrestling moves can be difficult or confusing even for fans; having an idea of what a move looks like by association with a wrestler who can be seen performing it will go a long way towards clarity. If there is some compelling logic behind undoing such changes, posting in talk is a more effective use of time because it will also help other potential editors to understand the flow of the page. Enigmatic2k3 (talk) 07:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, if you were to look at the edit history, you would have seen the reasoning. The point is that moves should only list users who popularized the move, invented the move, named the move, is readily identified with the move (think Jeff Hardy and the Swanton), or has a version of the move that is so incredibly different or worthy or mentioning that it is. The users you added do not fit these descriptions. For example, Randy Orton does the foot stomp? Okay. So do a lot of people. If we begin to name users of moves, especially contemporary ones, we are opening a flood gate to all sorts of listcruft. Hope that helps. Nikki  311  14:33, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * One more thing, your addition to the double foot stomp was put before a citation, which is incorrect and messes up the format. New additions go behind citations so as to not confuse what is actually being cited. I'm (once again) going to revert your edit. Nikki  311  14:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Frowned upon?

 * While picking up the upper half of the ring steps for use as a weapon is illegal, slamming an opponent into the ring steps is not considered illegal, though it is frowned upon.

You do realize that it's scripted. And that they're faking frowning upon. D\=&lt; (talk) 19:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course. It's frowned upon within kayfabe. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:37, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Lariat/Clothesline
I've read the descriptions of the clothesline and lariat and i just dont see the difference. Can someone please deascribe to me what the difference is between a lariat and a clothesline? Please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skilldog2 (talk • contribs) 21:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

A lariat similar to a clothesline, the difference is that in a clothesline is the wrestler's arm is kept straight to the side of the wrestler during the move, while in the lariat the wrestler strikes their opponent with his arm. Meaning, a clothesline a guys runs into the arm and gets knocked down but a lariat is thrown, kinda in the same respect as a punch. Tobythegreat (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 22:07, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

You would like to know the difference between a lariat and a clothesline, a lariat is when they throw the clothesline like maneuver straight instead of holding them arm, so intially a lariat is basically a punch that doesn't connect, where as a clothesline the arm is held outwards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.149.230.162 (talk) 02:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Shining?
I think that "shining" has to be added to transition moves. It is a transition move because many diffent moves can be performed after steping off opponents raised knee. I'm not saying that it has to be removed from knee strikes. I just feel that "shining" is a transition move. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azihade (talk • contribs) 16:32, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Request to change the name to "Professional wrestling strikes"
An "attack" could be anything. An air raid, or a suicide bombing, is, technically, an attack, so the article's name is very generic.

However, a "strike," which is what these moves are, is a very specific kind of attack, so I think that would be a more fitting name for this article.Wikieditor1988 (talk) 05:57, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Done, sorry for the delay. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:39, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Request to add a move to the Weapon attacks section or Punches section
Even though it is no longer commonly used, at one point William Regal once utilized the Power of The Punch, an illegal closed fist strike with brass knuckles worn about the hand, often concealed from the referees' vision by way of being tucked either into his tights or a boot. Regal would then attempt to dispense of the knuckles before the referee realized what had happened so as to avoid a DQ loss.98.209.48.133 (talk) 06:05, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Stomach punch
Is stomach punch illegal? I saw Big Show used it on Jamie Noble multiple times on this video, or all of it was choreographed. 72.130.134.122 (talk) 08:28, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

If the gut punches are repeated punches, then yes. But the referee will count to 5 and the combatant will stop before the referee says 5. Whether or not if it's illegal, it really doesn't matter because we will see the gut-punching and the repeatedly mount punching frequently as the audience count the punches. Remember, there will be a 5-count.--Mjfantom (talk) 07:14, 5 September 2015 (UTC)Mjfantom

Suggestion: Van Dam
It says Van Dam on the page once. Maybe link it to Rob Van Dam. --82.171.70.54 (talk) 22:37, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Kayfabe
Is there a discussion somewhere on WP talk space that reaches consensus that professional "wrestling" is to be discussed within pure kayfabe on WP? Really, articles like this are completely unencyclopedic and misleading to the uninitiated, simply because they don't report the truth: none of these moves are designed to actually do any real damage (in fact, quite the opposite). I mean, yeah, I get kayfabe and why ppl want to enjoy it, but a truthful article here should mention in the first paragraph that this article describes athletic, acrobatic moves designed for entertainment, and not any sort of actual 'attack' or 'fighting' (or for that matter, real 'wrestling'). Describing each move 'as though' it inflicted the stage-managed illusionary damage is fine -- but readers should first be made very clear that these moves are choreographed and rehearsed carefully, and, if carried out with serious intent, would almost all be either permanently disabling or even fatal. IMHO. Eaglizard (talk) 13:26, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Go To Sleep
How do we know Kenta used it before Punk? Punk is older and started wrestling earlier so it seems likely. Punk started using it in 2005 latest in OVW. Is there a record of Kenta using it before then? Keep in mind, he only started wrestling in mid 2000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.39.231.124 (talk) 20:28, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * We know KENTA used it before CM Punk because KENTA invented the go 2 sleep. the first use of it was against Mitsuharu Misawa on August 28, 2004, the video of which can be found here (skip to 14:45). after signing with WWE, Punk changed a lot of his wrestling style to be a copy of KENTA's, which included his finisher. 184.41.20.123 (talk) 17:40, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

European Uppercut
I wouldn't say that Cesaro popularized the move. It was used by some popular wrestlers before him, ie. Kurt Angle or William Regal. Even if he uses it as a signature move, it was a commonly used move before he started to use it. Puchacz9012 (talk) 22:41, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2017
In the Go To Sleep section, there's just a typo where "the" is spelled "tbe" Schaichopath (talk) 15:06, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I've fixed it, thanks for spotting it. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:14, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

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Rolling Senton
I'm looking to add "Rolling Senton" as an alternative name for "Cannonball". However, I'm not sure whether is it the same thing or not. Int the first case, my new text would be as follows:

A somersault senton, also known as a rolling senton, is performed to an opponent sitting in a corner to be sandwiched between the turnbuckle and the wrestler's lower back. This move can also be executed from the apron to an opponent standing on the floor below

If it is a separate move, the new section would be: A rolling senton sees the attacking wrestler jumping from the apron and flipping forward on to an opponent on the floor below

Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2020
Elbowmasterjohn (talk) 17:55, 24 September 2020 (UTC) Hello i would like to edit the page to add more information
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Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2021
I would like to correct improper infomartion on the headbutt section JohnnyTheBuilder (talk) 18:06, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2021
I want to add something in Professional wrestling strikes 206.162.231.105 (talk) 01:13, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2022
CowboyCamden (talk) 20:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC) I would like to make some major updates on the G.T.S. stop on this article.
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