Talk:ROH World Championship

Unification
Is it definite that the pure title is now a thing of the past? Are we sure that Danielson isn't going to just hold both and defend them separately? Tromboneguy0186 21:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

"World"
When was it declared a "world" title? Bdve 02:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * "Achieves World Title status on May 17, 2003 when Samoa Joe defends the title
 * in the United Kingdom vs. The Zebra Kid" Tromboneguy0186 04:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Must have skipped right over that. Thanks.Bdve 13:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

"Heavyweight"
Let's get this party started. First of all, states that "ROH World Heavyweight Championship" is the name of the title. It's not referred as that exact name by commentators and newswire authors and the like because it isn't necessary. WWE's "World Heavyweight Championship" does not have a promotion prefix; this title does. You could just as easily call it the "ROH title" and people would still know what you meant, even before the pure title was discontinued. Take, for example, WCW. Their top singles title was commonly referred to as "the world title" as well, with the champion himself sometimes called "the heavyweight champion of the world." That belt's name, obviously, was "WCW World Heavyweight Championship," but there was no need to say all that on shows. Lastly, in the worlds of shoot fighting and amateur wrestling, weight classes are only restrictive at the bottom. Should someone weighing 160 pounds wish to wrestle in the 220 pound division, there's nothing in the rules stopping them. Therefore, anyone and everyone can challenge for a "heavyweight" title, if you really really want to add that much significance to a word that doesn't have any. The problems of moving up in weight in shoot fighting and amateur wrestling (being physically dominated by the size disadvantage) aren't present in professional wrestling, so it really isn't worth getting worked up over. If the word "heavyweight" does anything, it adds an air of prestige to the belt, as "world heavyweight championship" is a well-known and respected phrase, whereas "world championship" is rather nebulous.

And please don't make wholesale changes to the article without first discussing them. Thanks. Tromboneguy0186 23:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I appologize for updating that without discussing it. However on all of their DVD releases the announcers never mention "heavyweight" nor when Gabe refers to the title the word "heavyweight" is never mentioned, nor is it mentioned on their fliers and posters. However I see where on one spot of their webpage it is mentioned, but in the results section (http://www.rohwrestling.com/pastresults.asp) it's just ROH World title. Since the company doesn't refer to it as a heavyweight title when it is mentioned, I wouldn't think it should be refered to it as that. However, in the long run it doesn't matter. I just thought I was updating the page to what is correct. Thanks. WarEagleRK


 * If you think the page should be moved, propose it here (there are guidelines to the proper procedure) and mention it here for as much feedback as possible. I can virtually guarantee no one will want anything changed, but if you wish to try there's no problem with it. Tromboneguy0186 06:57, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

It's ok. I'll agree to disagree. WarEagleRK

ROH's official webpage now lists it as the ROH World title. WarEagleRKSept 6, 2006

You're too quick! I was just gonna come in and mention that Tromboneguy0186 21:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Cool, I'll get to work on the redirects. Tromboneguy0186 05:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

MOVED, per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 03:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
I now do support this move; WP is now the ONLY place, so far as I can tell, that calls the title by this name. Tromboneguy0186 21:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * ROH World Heavyweight Championship → ROH World Championship … Rationale: I personally wouldn't support this move, but I feel it's a discussion that needs to be had. Sans heavyweight would appear to better satisfy WP:NAME. Tromboneguy0186 05:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Survey
Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~


 * Oppose - I see no need at the present time to move the article. - Chadbryant 05:31, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 *  Oppose  No reason to move it. TJ Spyke 06:20, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak support. I think the current name sounds better, but if ROH doesn't consider "Heavyweight" part of the name.
 * That's about how I see it too. "Heavyweight" also adds the fact that this is a singles title, but that just doesn't seem to be the correct name Tromboneguy0186 05:20, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per the promotion's official website, its official designation is "ROH World Heavyweight Title" and not "ROH World Title." Deputy Marshall 06:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)  Changing to SUPPORT in lieu of most recent website changes (which indicates an official distinction by the promotion of "ROH World Title" sans the word "Heavyweight").  Deputy Marshall 07:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Support ROH's official webpage now lists it as the ROH World title. WarEagleRKSept 6, 2006
 * Support due to official name change. –– Lid– (Talk) 05:58, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose Edgecution 02:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Care to say why? I realize it's not required, but (just about) the only remaining reason to oppose has been taken away. Tromboneguy0186 05:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Discussion
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 * Comment In many other places on the website, such as match listings for DVD's, "world title" is used, and the packaging on those DVD's has never used the word "heavyweight." It's only been used a few times on the shows themselves and when it has been, it's been casually in passing, and not by a ring announcer or a commentator. Tromboneguy0186 06:30, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks like this is gonna fail since those first two guys haven't checked back. How soon is too soon to propose this again? Tromboneguy0186 13:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment even if this fails, due to the new OFFICIAL change, I think it should be moved per WP:BOLD. –– Lid(Talk) 05:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, but how would we go about doing that? There's a redirect in place blocking the move. Tromboneguy0186 06:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Damn, we'd need an admin to delete the page first. –– Lid(Talk) 10:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

One note
Despite the article's title being changed, the category World heavyweight wrestling championships is still applicable, for many of the reasons I laid out in my crossed-out post above. Tromboneguy0186 06:48, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

DDP
I Went To A ROH House Show And Saw Him Win The ROH World Championship Added It To The Article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.185.98.180 (talk) 22:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

He may have defeated the champions but im guessing it wasnt a championship match because he isnt a former ROH Champion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.39.15 (talk) 19:54, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

About Nigel's defenses
Nigel McGuinness successfully defended the title in Japan on May 15 against BJ Whitmer and KENTA, making for his 15th successful defense. www.noah-usa.cc's results page will verify this, and ROH's personal title history will be updated by the end of the week, given that the ROH newswire has mentioned this defense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.91.13.193 (talk) 19:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

And just as a note, the Japan defense has officially been added to ROH's title history page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.91.13.193 (talk) 14:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion: Merge Tables
I think that the List of Reign Lengths can be merged with the Title history chart as it is redundant.
 * It doesn't need to be merged, its already listed. It just needs to be deleted. Nenog (talk) 00:11, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Picture
Since ROH recently debuted new World Heavyweight and World Tag Team CHampionship title belts, shouldn't we update the pictures of them on their articles? I'm not sure how to do this or I would do it myself. As for a reference, if you've not seen them, there are pictures of the new belts on ROH's website in the title history section. Wraith Wolf (talk) 16:27, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's the plan. We've reached a deal with allstarchampionshipbelts to use their pictures of the new belts in wikipedia articles. -- Unquestionable Truth -- 19:57, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

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ROH World Championship clarifications post-Final Battle 2021
As it is listed currently:

"Jonathan Gresham is the current champion in his first reign. He won the vacant title by defeating Jay Lethal at Final Battle on December 11, 2021 in Baltimore, Maryland after previous champion Bandido was stripped of the championship after contracting COVID-19 and being unable to defend at Final Battle."

There is some misinformation to some of these statements.

Yes, Bandido was unable to participate at Final Battle due to contracting COVID-19. However, neither ROH management nor Sinclair Broadcast Group, ROH's owners, stripped Bandido of the title. Bandido is still champion and is defending the title in the indies. Jonathan Gresham is interim champion and holds the original belt and is also defending the title on the independent circuit. Who knows - they might defending it on Impact or AEW in the near future. However, Bandido is still the champion and Gresham is interim champion.

This likely means a unification match when ROH returns in April. Himnmedia2017 (talk) 20:10, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Eras of ROH World championship
I think similar to how the Wiki page for the WCW World championship is divided into 3 different eras NWA, WCW, WWF, this page for the ROH World championship can be divided into 2 separate eras ROH and AEW. Because despite being it's own world championship still it with All Elite Wrestling now. 2601:243:1400:D95:79FA:8256:3F40:17E3 (talk) 19:05, 25 September 2022 (UTC)