Talk:Rami Malek

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 * Agree in general - his appearance in the play might have been mentioned, as it was part of his career - but the remainder sales pitch is inappropriate. All dated now.Parkwells (talk) 14:46, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Odd Egypt additions
I've removed most of the irrelevant references to Egypt. It appears some editor in the past wants/wanted to tie this actor to the country. He parents origins are noted in the bio.... though even that appears be not relevant to him as an actor. Perhaps someone would like to tackle that. War (talk) 04:04, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * He has been quoted as saying he strongly identifies as Egyptian, although he did not grow up there.Parkwells (talk) 21:11, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

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Egyptian-American or Coptic American?
The Copts are a largely distinct entity of the greater Egyptian nationality. I think it'd be appropriate to label Malek as a "Coptic American actor". Frevangelion (talk) 10:45, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I mean, it depends on how he identifies himself. Most Copts do not identify as Arab but some do. GergisBaki (talk) 04:11, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

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Reception section
I noticed on most actor and actresses pages such as Tom Hanks and Angelina Jolie, the reaction from critics is usually placed in the career sections as the projects are mentioned. I would recommend doing the same here, deleting the section and moving the quotes nearby the subject matter in the Career section. And before deletes the commentary again as done previously, I'd like to point out how common it is to include these types of quotes on actor's/actresses' biography, as well quotes by the subject in relation to major projects/awards. Don't want any sort of edit warring to occur over a common practice.  on camera (t)  18:37, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you reaching out to me. I've seen both practices done, and actually had a bio article rejected for GA approval for (among other reasons) not having a reception section. However, I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other, but as you already eloquently said, the information should not be deleted. I will integrate it into the body of the article per (what I consider) consensus.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 18:49, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * It seems you have a lot of experiencing helping get articles promoted into good article and feature article status, so I'll leave it up to you what you think is best practice, I just haven't seen it done this way except on movies pages. I initially started to include it in the career section, but that's when began deleting it, despite it's existence being important inorder to have the article promoted to GA status. I would love to help get this article reviewed and promoted one day so it's all towards that goal.  on  camera (t)  18:59, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I have the same goal, and I look forward to working with you!--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 19:08, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for moving the quote to an appropriate section.--Captaincapn (talk) 04:41, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

"Egyptian" in the lead
Per WP:Ethnicity, "an American actor" goes in the lead. Not Egyptian, Egyptian-American etc. That part of his heritage is included with "Being of Egyptian heritage, he's been an advocate of diversity in Hollywood and chosen roles towards that end" as the last sentence in the opening paragraph and is written about throughout the article. However, it does not go into the lead. Please stop this edit warring.  on camera  06:43, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

"Egyptian" in the lead
Rami Malek considers himself Egyptian-American. His Wikipedia page should be about him not your definitions. Aisling94 (talk) 06:51, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Per WP:Ethnicity: "In most modern-day cases this will be the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if the person is notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable."


 * Please source where he is a citizen of Egypt otherwise he is simply an American. Please stop making edits until you find a source.  on camera  06:58, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Rami's girlfriend
There seems to be some evidence that Rami is dating his co-star in BoRhap, but unfortunately, neither of them have publicly confirmed it, and sites that are reporting on it are on Wikipedia's blacklist. So, I guess we'll have to wait until a better source emerges, or one of them comments on it before we can include it in the article.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 03:07, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

GOCE
Hey! While this article still needs some work, I felt we were reaching the point where it might be ready for review the Guild of Copyeditors. Does anyone else agree?--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 21:53, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * You did a lot of work in the article! I think it's ready.  on camera  11:56, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I submitted it to the committee, so hopefully we'll hear something soon. They average wait time is 20 days.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 19:07, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Lead
Is there any valid reason for this blind revert, ? Krimuk2.0 (talk) 08:06, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, because the opening paragraph is now vague and pointless with the general links to the awards, and then the redundancy that the GG and Emmy nominations are then specified again in the third paragraph in the lead. The previous version made it clear what his most important works were and the awards he won for them. Like you said, it could use a cleanup of a few of the awards, but the rest was unnecessary and unhelpful to a certain degree. We are working to have this page promoted to Good Article status and you can see examples like Stephen Colbert start out with what they're best known for.  on camera  08:18, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * See Amy Adams, Bradley Cooper, Ben Affleck, Emma Stone, Angelina Jolie -- FA-class articles, for a few examples on how a BLP lead should be. Reverting well-meaning editors, who have experience in writing such articles, will not serve any purpose. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 08:27, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The opening only needed a trimming of awards. I made the edits. This shouldn't be an edit war since your issue was with too many awards being listed.  on camera  08:40, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * If there shouldn't be an edit war, then do not go around reverting other editors. You need to explain clearly why this version is inferior to "your" version. Waiting for the input of other univolved editors is best in such instances. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 08:44, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Took your version of what he's best known for and moved it into the opening paragraph. And made a slight copyedit that removed extra info about BH in the lead, since this is an article about him foremost and not the movie. Seems like a good compromise for what we both want.  on camera  08:54, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * What's the harm in chronology? Krimuk2.0 (talk) 08:56, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * What's the harm with putting what he's best known for first? It's what sites like Google source when people google his name, which you can see if you do so. It only shows a small amount of text and it should be about the highlights of his career, not the fact he's born to Egyptian immigrant parents.  on camera  09:00, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The purpose of this encyclopedia is not to promote the person on Google, but to write a well-balanced article on the subject, but I doubt that's what you're here for. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 11:26, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep it civil on Wikipedia, no need to make things personal. Cheers,  on camera  15:17, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I just wanted to reach out to you to say,  I love collaboration, and I've seen Wikipedia works best when there are a lot of people working together. When I saw you had come in and made a lot of changes (just a few moments ago) I thought you were from the GOCE, so began to review them for improvements, since that group has been really helpful for me on many articles in the past. However, I've honestly, been a little disappointed, because some of your edits have been mostly based on your opinion. That is not necessarily bad, since there are many ways to skin a cat, but I feel like your edit summaries and comments here have made the spirit here more hostile. The article is waiting for revision from the GOCE, and I'd prefer to just wait for major changes until they weigh in.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 14:58, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that I bothered to improve this article is all I can say. It's absolutely awful the way contributors take well-intentioned improvements to be "hostile" and make ill-informed comments about personal attacks, when you do not own the article. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 15:02, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * When I added to the article the past couple of months, would make improvements without demeaning editing summaries or implying I'm editing Wikipedia for unencyclopedic reasons (just because I think the opening lead should feature his most important works). I appreciate their improvements and had fun collaborating and building this article. Just saying, there's other ways to improve an article without the aggression towards other editors.  on camera  16:58, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The aggression is when a user blindly reverts improvements, breaks 3RR and then makes baseless accusations of personal attacks. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 18:27, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

GA submission
So, for those of us working on the article, I just wanted to give an update. You probably noticed that the article has had a GOCE review, and Twofingered Typist made some great improvements on the article. He suggested that we standardize the citation formatting (I noticed some dates don't match) and that we trim the number of citations behind each sentence. So, I will try to incorporate those suggestions. As always, if anyone comes across an update or correction, we can just improving that article. If I don't hear any objections, I plan to nominate the article for GA very soon. It usually takes quite some time to hear back for GAN, but I'm hoping that the fact that it's awards season may hasten their response.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 20:14, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2019
Add upcoming role as The Human Torch in Avengers:Endgame SiriusLee314 (talk) 20:42, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Couldn't find any evidence of this. If you find a reliable source, feel free to request this addition again.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 20:50, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Which awards in lead?
I am personally not against listing the wins for Golden Globes, SAG, and BAFTA in the lead for Bohemian Rhapsody. I know Krimuk2.0 removes them with the reason being this isn't an awards page, but there's nothing that say those main awards cannot be listed. They are listed on other actors lead paragraphs and are considered major awards.  on camera  23:40, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

IPA for his name pronunciation?
I'm certainly not very good at figuring out the WP:IPA and/or Manual of Style/Pronunciation formatting for names, but wondering if someone could add it for how to pronounce his name correctly? Here's a Youtube video of himself saying it over and over incase anyone wants to assist in that. Rami Malek's name. Thanks,  on camera  13:45, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Question about classification of Malek as non-white by Splinter
A Splinter reporter is the source for a statement that Malek was the first non-white to win the Emmy for Best Actor in many years (the number isn't relevant.) This caught my interest as I hadn't seen other sources that referred to him as non-white on the Emmy win, nor did sources say that in relation to his big win in 2019 as Best Actor in the Oscars. An Arab newspaper notes Malek as the first Egyptian to win the Oscar for Best Actor; this is consistent with Malek's own statement that he identifies strongly as Egyptian, as noted in the quote in this article, although he was born and grew up in the US. Rather than having the Splinter account appear to stand for a consensus that does not appear to exist, I cited three sources: Hollywood Reporter, IndieWire, and USANetwork, that reported his Emmy win without reference to ethnicity; they did not classify or qualify him as non-white. Other sources, such as Variety, could be added. The point is that sources did not generally report Malek as non-white in terms of this Best Actor win. My edit was reverted by editor Oncamera as Original Research, which is inappropriate. It was not OR to try to find out if other sources reporting on Malek's win in the Emmy generally referred to him as non-white. WP is supposed to reflect more than one source. It looks as if Splinter is the outlier on this issue. Other sources do not refer to Malek by that classification. So I'm bringing the issue to the Talk page for discussion.Parkwells (talk) 14:46, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * If you googled "Rami Malek Emmy non-white" you'll get plenty of other sources that concur with the source currently listed.


 * BBC: "Emmys: Rami Malek leads victories for minority actors"


 * Time magazine "Here’s How Diverse the Emmys Actually Were"


 * Complex: "Rami Malek Talks Diversity After Becoming First Non-White Actor in 18 Years to Win Leading Actor"


 * I could go on with the sources, but you can look it up yourself if you still think there's only one source in existence that talks about his win at the Emmys for minorities. It's original research to use other articles that don't mention his ethnicity to make an argument that says he's not a poc. That's not what those sources are claiming. Since I have shown other reliable sources exist for the claim, I'm reverting your edit once again to that sentence.  on camera  20:11, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the sources, Oncamera, and my apologies. Given the discussion, I will add two sources as additional cites to the statement for other readers. The BBC refers to Malek as an "ethnic minority", and notes the diversity in 2016 Emmys by awards also to African American actors, a woman director, and an LGBT artist. I'm adding TIME, too, since, like Splinter, it refers to Malek as non-white.Parkwells (talk) 21:28, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I took off the BBC ref because it is becoming WP:OVERKILL with the references for just one sentence.  on camera  21:33, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's a good one I have to remember, as there are articles with 6,8 or more cites for non-controversial, well-documented facts. Parkwells (talk) 00:10, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * He is blue-eyed and olive skin ('whiter' than most Egyptians), but I certainly believe he encountered racism based on his name and somewhat exotic look. In any case, this shouldn't be an issue we are debating, since he identifies as non-white and reliable sources repeat this characterization. GergisBaki (talk) 04:04, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I think "I believe" has little to do with the situation. We do not "believe" here, we are guided by what the sources say and are they biased? Rami Malek in NONE of them says himself that he is "not white", it is simply predicted by these media as: "not a European with non-European stule name - not white" which comes from a specific ideology and can be considered as violation of WP:NPOV and WP:biased. Also according to WP:NEWSORG any opinion of the columnists should be described in the article as their opinion, and not the fact that someone is "white" or "not white".HernánCortés1518 (talk) 09:48, 21 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Malek's race: Non-Hispanic White. Ethnicity: Egyptian. All the North Africans (including the Sudanese), all the Europeans (but the Spaniards) and all the Middle easterners up to the Afghan-Pakistani frontier are classified as Non-Hispanic White by the US Census Bureau. There's is the air a proposal for a new and rather sensible MENA (Middle East, North African) category, but it was vetoed by Trump and company. In fact Egyptian is one of the instances of Non-Hispanic White given by the US Census, together with Norwegian and Greek. Needless to point out that I'm a resentful Spaniard mocking the American maniacal obsession with race issues, but Egyptianss are white in the USA to all intents and purposes. And Malek's parents are Egyptian.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.99.89.51 (talk) 12:07, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Name in Arabic script
I believe the name in Arabic script should remain in the article for the following reasons: I know this would make the first line of the article look bloated, but as I pinted out, it's both a habit on WP and helps clarify ambiguity. I'm with the consensus whether it's on keeping or removing it. Ahmed M Farrag (talk) 23:41, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) The subject is Egyptian-American and has an Arabic name. Similar Egyptian-Americans who have their names written in their native script include: this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, ...
 * 2) It is particularly needed for this particular individual as his second name "Said" can be a transliteration of two different names in Arabic, namely "سعيد" and "سيد". Including the name in its native script removes this ambiguity.
 * There are videos of him speaking Arabic and the article includes much about his Egyptian heritage, including the quote in the early life section. I believe it should be included. He's also spoken in interviews about the difficulties with his name being mispronounced throughout his life, that's another reason why it should be included.  on camera  00:52, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Academy Award Label
In the opening paragraph, the mouseover label for "Academy Award" is vandalized — Preceding unsigned comment added by SixthSora (talk • contribs) 21:50, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 May 2019
The portion in Personal Life where it mentions him falling in love with London and wanting to buy a house there, the link is dead and it was never from a verified interview, only from a hearsay sight. Need to remove it. Symplify783 (talk) 01:16, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The reference now links directly to the interview.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 01:37, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

this passing mention of ‘I could see myself living in London’ is not Wikipedia-article worthy or relevant to his ‘Personal Life’ section. This was an answer to a question during the press tour for a British film so of course Malek said such - there has never been serious considerations or facts indicating a move put out into the public, I think it should be deleted. Malek has been quotes in the past saying he never wants to live away from his family, hundreds of them in LA. Symplify783 (talk) 21:31, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Where's your source for his comments? Has he said such things after that BAFTA interview? These are the latest remarks from him. Besides just doing a British film, he has fallen in love with a British woman. And neither the film or Lucy are trivial things to him based upon his own comments sourced in this article and his Oscar acceptance speech.  on camera 

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 June 2019
Please change "his" to "him" in the "Early life and education" section, line number 14. I believe the grammar is wrong and should be fixed. NightBag10 (talk) 21:19, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * ✔️ Alduin2000 (talk) 22:06, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

GA review
NightBag10 wanted to review this page but withdrew and, following my advice, nominated the review page for deletion. I've deleted it, no effort was spent there. Sorry for the confusion. Huon (talk) 21:56, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yup, sorry about that, I'm really stupid. It won't happen again though. NightBag10 (talk) 22:01, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

IPA help should link to Egyptian Arabic, not Arabic (MSA)
The IPA help should link to Egyptian Arabic, not Arabic as that page only shows modern standard Arabic pronunciations. Qizilqurt (talk) 01:07, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I updated it to Egyptian Arabic. Thanks,  on camera  22:58, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * At the risk of sounding pedantic, while it's correct to indicate that the pronunciation (IPA) is associated with the Egyptian vernacular, it makes no sense to indicate that the name is written in an Egyptian Arabic script, as such thing does not exist, especially that this is a name and not a block of text that could contain Egyptian-specific slang. Thus, I suggest we keep the IPA linking to Egyptian Arabic, as Qizilqurt suggested earlier, but restore the link to Arabic for the script of the name. --Ahmed M Farrag (talk) 09:39, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
 * You can make that change, sounds like you know what's best. Cheers,  on camera  01:03, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Time in South America
There is no mention of the long break Malek took from acting after The Pacific. Suggest the following be added after mention of the mini-series?

Malek confessed to feeling overwhelmed after The Pacific, and moved to Buenos Aires. He stated: "I thought I had enough. I said: 'I will live there until my head is fixed…I had a great time. I lived in Gurruchaga and Paraguay, in Palermo."In 2019, brief random street footage taken in Palermo, showing what appeared to be Malek, but timestamped 2008, appeared on Twitter.

Newspaper references are: “Rapsodia Bohemia”: la vida de Rami Malek en Argentina, La Gaceta, 8 Nov 2018, ; La "costumbre argentina" de Rami Malek, protagonista de Mr. Robot, La Nacion, 16 September 2016

And for the footage:

ClearBreeze (talk) 03:24, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It is mentioned. Read the first paragraph under the subheading: 2010–2015: Supporting roles.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 03:26, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Main Image
Hoping we can reach a concensus on the image for the main picture. Seems to be a lot of back and forth between the 2015 Paley one and the 2019 SAG one with the argument the latter is most recent and therefore more relevant, however the image quality is not satisfactory in my opinion. I'd prefer the sharper Paley one or another entirely but don't want to keep messing with it without consulting others first. Narra1 (talk) 14:53, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure the 2019 SAG one is properly licensed either. Anyway, I'm changing it back to the 2015 one unless there is consensus to change it. oncamera   (talk page)  15:56, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Update, I moved it to the award section. Quality just isn't good enough to be the main photo compared to the 2015 version but I think it works where I put it instead. oncamera   (talk page)  16:05, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree. Hopefully that is a satisfactory compromise for everyone. Thank you! Narra1 (talk) 01:23, 13 December 2020 (UTC)