Talk:Rasa Sayang

A Popular Song Among Melaka Portuguese Community!
Please provide the section "Popular Song Among Portuguese Community" with some references, it seems like people who made it only want what they claim to be right, unless they can proof it with neutral and reliable references. Please remember, aricle lacking sources will soon be deleted or removed! --back to goguryeo 05:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)05:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

People of Molluca are not Malays
Please do not call Ambonesse/people of Molluca as Malays. As they are not. They are pacific, and therefore the song of Rasa Sayange is not Malays songs. I am Ambonesse and I don't like others put me in the group of Malays or "Rumpun Melayu", it is very offensive for us. And the Nusantara Archipelago does not include Malay Peninsula. Nusantara Archipelago is Indonesia, not Malaysia. If Malay Peninsular is included in Nusantara Archipelago does it mean Thailand also inlcuded in the archipelago? Malay tradition is originated from Sumatera, and to be exact is the province of Riau. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Femeralda (talk • contribs) 03:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I see. Ambonese are not Malay, and many ethnic groups like Javanese and Sundanese are not Malay as well, remember the anthropolog scholar called all the Indonesian archipelagoes (including Malayan Peninsula) inhabitants as Malays because our ancestors were categorized as Proto (old) Malay and Deutro (young) Malay when they first came in this archipelago. They were the ancestors of all ethnic gropus in Malayan Peninsula and Indonesian archipelago. So just like Javanese or Buginese and so on they also will never want to be put into "Malay" but we are all surely descended from Malay race who came from Indochina and Yunnan from the pre-history era long time ago, so we are Malay race not Malay ethnic group! And it is very different with the race of "native" Malay (orang Melayu) ethnic groups living in the Malayan Peninsula (Malaysia), Sumatra and Borneo nowadays. Malaysia and Indonesia have been called as Serumpun (one race) because of we are descended from one ancestor. Malay (orang Melayu) are descended from Deutro Melayu like Javanese, Sundanese, Balinese, Madurese etc. Ambonese Malay doesn't mean it is from Malay ethnic groups but the language is somewhat understood to other ethnic groups. Thai people are not Malays, they are Indochinese. Don't you know that the Aborigin people in Australia and Madagascar people near Africa are also categorized as Malay race (but they are not Malays ethnic groups) because their ancestors were the same as ours as well.

--back to goguryeo 03:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Just a fact check, not all Thai people are Indochinese because many Southern Thais are Malays. The Southern Thailand is comprised of five Malay-majority states: Pattani, Yala, Narathiwat, Satun and Songkhla. There are approximately 2 million Malay populations in the Southern Thai region which shares a border with Malaysian states of Kedah, Perlis, Perak and Kelantan. Culturally

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.111.189.77 (talk) 09:11, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * TAI. You shockpuppet. I will log this page!back to goguryeo 06:31, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * do you have the proof that its malingsian song? trully thief :-) 118.136.48.123 (talk) 06:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If you want proof, the fact that it distributed all over Malay Archipelago Brunei, Philipines show it long originated from Melacca which is a trading centre. If it originated in Ambon, the Portugis in Melacca would not have accepted it such. The Dutch then got it from Melacca when they defeated the Portugis in 14 Jan 1641 and bring it to Indonesia after London Agreement 1824, when they exchange Melacca with Bencoolen in Sumatra. The song also incorporated pantun which first examples to be recorded appear in the 15th century in the Malay Annals and the Hikayat Hang Tuah which is written in Malay. Yosri (talk) 13:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well said bro Yosri, forgive me to say this but so far, "Indon facts" are not convincing enough to prove that this song originated from Moluccas. At least give us the name of the original Moluccan composer with valid reference and an explanation on "why the heck a Moluccas folk song is written in Malay language and having the lyrics based on Pantun?". Oh yes, keep calling us "malingsian", we don't give a damn of it, :)(Orhanghazi (talk) 10:40, 21 September 2010 (UTC))

Hokky Situngkir, scientifically proved through research that the song is a traditional song Rasa Sayange Indonesia's original, rather Maluku.Physics is the scientific proof as to break through the neighboring countries, Malaysia claims that could use this traditional song in its tourism campaign "Malaysia Truly Asia", the end of 2007. At that infuriated the people of Indonesia and Malaysia accused of stealing one of the original culture of Indonesia. It had also extended the list of disputes as the two allied nations that are often at odds because "each claim", both the culture and territory, is.As if challenged, Hokky Situngkir with fellow researchers at the Bandung Fe Institute conducts research on the authenticity of the song Rasa Sayange. However, Hokky said that the main objective of the research is not to prove where the song Rasa Sayange came from, but wanted to make a data center of Indonesian culture and showed an interesting cultural diversity of Indonesia. He did not want this discovery politicized by both Indonesia and Malaysia."We want to explore the complex aspects of the collective knowledge of the people of Indonesia. And it's also arguably the first in Indonesia.'s Been over 60 years of our independence, we do not have a culture of data centers," he said when met at Hokky Bandung Fe Institute, Jalan Sarimadu, Sarijadi, London, last weekend.Hokky and his friends in Bandung Fe, since the institute was founded in 2004, has been researching various social things, including collecting data on the culture of Indonesia.Bandung Fe bringing people together and form a kind of organization, the Cultural Initiative Islands Indonesia or the Indonesian Archipelago Culture Initiative (IACI).Through participatory data collection, they were finally able to collect a number of cultural data, not just songs, but also clothing, dances, musical instruments, building architecture, to traditional medicine.Research on traditional tunes itself according to Hokky was started in 2008. In this study Hokky combining different disciplines, not only the field that he mastered, namely physics, but also other fields such as mathematics, anthropology, and ethnomusicology.Before being fed into a computer, the data first be verified and authenticated by the cultural anthropologist. According to him, a traditional song is a craft that was created collectively by the community, so there is no creator."A traditional song is a complex entity composed by culture as much. There was a note, then there sekuennya, there is also the accent, the lyrics, timbre (sound color of the tie), there is also a range of singers and listeners. Well, from there take a look at what about elementary element that can distinguish one song with another song as an abstraction of the collective cognition of that society. It was not the tone, but sekuennya, " — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.79.2.141 (talk) 10:02, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

THURSDAY (01.03.2012) morning, at the social networking Twitter linimasa lively song Rasa Sayange to discuss the piece becomes a trending topic on Twitter Indonesia.That day the people of Indonesia cheered as one of the young scientists, Hokky Situngkir, scientifically proved through research that the song is a traditional song Rasa Sayange Indonesia's original, rather Maluku.Physics is the scientific proof as to break through the neighboring countries, Malaysia claims that could use this traditional song in its tourism campaign "Malaysia Truly Asia", the end of 2007. At that infuriated the people of Indonesia and Malaysia accused of stealing one of the original culture of Indonesia. It had also extended the list of disputes as the two allied nations that are often at odds because "each claim", both the culture and territory, is.As if challenged, Hokky Situngkir with fellow researchers at the Bandung Fe Institute conducts research on the authenticity of the song Rasa Sayange. However, Hokky said that the main objective of the research is not to prove where the song Rasa Sayange came from, but wanted to make a data center of Indonesian culture and showed an interesting cultural diversity of Indonesia. He did not want this discovery politicized by both Indonesia and Malaysia."We want to explore the complex aspects of the collective knowledge of the people of Indonesia. And it's also arguably the first in Indonesia.'s Been over 60 years of our independence, we do not have a culture of data centers," he said when met at Hokky Bandung Fe Institute, Jalan Sarimadu, Sarijadi, London, last weekend.Hokky and his friends in Bandung Fe, since the institute was founded in 2004, has been researching various social things, including collecting data on the culture of Indonesia.Bandung Fe bringing people together and form a kind of organization, the Cultural Initiative Islands Indonesia or the Indonesian Archipelago Culture Initiative (IACI).Through participatory data collection, they were finally able to collect a number of cultural data, not just songs, but also clothing, dances, musical instruments, building architecture, to traditional medicine.Research on traditional tunes itself according to Hokky was started in 2008. In this study Hokky combining different disciplines, not only the field that he mastered, namely physics, but also other fields such as mathematics, anthropology, and ethnomusicology.Before being fed into a computer, the data first be verified and authenticated by the cultural anthropologist. According to him, a traditional song is a craft that was created collectively by the community, so there is no creator."A traditional song is a complex entity composed by culture as much. There was a note, then there sekuennya, there is also the accent, the lyrics, timbre (sound color of the tie), there is also a range of singers and listeners. Well, from there take a look at what about elementary element that can distinguish one song with another song as an abstraction of the collective cognition of that society. It was not the tone, but its sequence http://artindonesia-music.blogspot.com/2012/05/rasa-sayange-songs-come-from-indonesia.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.79.2.141 (talk) 10:21, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

from several media sources that I quoted officials including ministers and former ministers in Malaysia admit that the song Rasa Sayange originated (history) from Indonesia, even though they denied taking the song because of "brotherly ties" ::: GA1015 (talk) 17:43, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Malaysian officials have already admitted, there is no need to debate again ::: GA1015 (talk) 17:44, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Looking at the history of your conversation, you seem to stay clear, say the taste of sayange comes from “Malays” because there is a "pantun" why do you only claim the song Sayange sayang, how about the keroncong kemayoran song? or kicir kicir from jakarta or ayo mama song from maluku too?! ::: GA1015 (talk) 17:52, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Its not about Malaysia or Indonesia. The source (neutral one, and not written by Malaysian) mentioned that it is a Malay song, sung in Malay language. You can provide your reliable source if any, of course the neutral one, stating that it is a Moluccan song. Ø:G (talk) 18:16, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Cleanup
the controversy part need to be update, so many irrelevant pointsHati Kama (talk) 04:17, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

hi
where is the dynamics, tone color, and texture 136.158.64.148 (talk) 05:58, 6 October 2021 (UTC)