Talk:Richard de Belmeis II

Proposed Move
I've tried to amplify the article to a more suitable length recently. During my research, I could hardly help noticing that the form of Richard's name used as the title of the article is very eccentric. In fact, it seems to exist only in wikipedia, where it must cause confusion. Belmeis is almost universal, although some sources give Beaumais as an alternative. These are the commonest medieval and modern forms of a common French toponym. I propose renaming this article to Richard de Belmeis II, his most common designation, and have suggested that his uncle become Richard de Belmeis I. I'll leave the matter for a week or so to allow for reflection and discussion, then proceed if feedback is positive or absent. Sjwells53 (talk) 16:28, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 23 January 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved per request as uncontested for 12 days. Favonian (talk) 12:18, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Richard de Beaumis (died 1162) → Richard de Belmeis II – There seems no obvious reason for using the present article name. It is likely to confuse readers, who are extremely unlikely to find it elsewhere: I haven't. Belmeis is the form of the name generally used in literature on the subject. The modernised form Beaumais is occasionally found, although it is generally given as an alternative to Belmeis. (Oddly, older sources are more likely to use the modernised form.) Both represent the name given to a number of French villages: the Belmeis form is simply the most common 11th-12th century spelling. (See the French wikipedia article on Beaumais in Calvados). The Roman number is generally used to differentiate the two Bishops of London of the same name, e.g. in Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicana and in Eyton's Antiquities of Shropshire. "Richard Belmeis II" has been used before but that article contains only a redirect and the Talk page seems empty, so not entirely sure why the move won't go ahead. Have canvassed opinion and the move seems uncontroversial. The subject is unlikely to complain, as died in 1162. Have moved his uncle to Richard de Belmeis I. Sjwells53 (talk) 21:53, 23 January 2015 (UTC)


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