Talk:Riot grrrl

Citation needed & more info on D.C.
The link for the citation for the quote “Women at the punk-rock shows saw themselves as girlfriends of the boys, so they took it upon themselves to represent their own interests by making their own fanzines, music and art” does not work. I checked this citation specifically because I found the statement a sweeping, heteronormative generalization and wanted to see whether there was any support for it, which there is evidently not. I believe it misrepresents the true motivation behind the riot grrrl movement. There is also no mention within the article of Washington, D.C., which was one of the cities in which the riot grrrl movement was founded. Many of the organizers and musicians within the movement lived, started bands, and played shows there. There is plenty of information about this in Sara Marcus's book Girls to the Front which is already included in the list of references for this article. --Elinafelt (talk) 03:25, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Legacy
I will be adding information on the international spread of Riot Grrrl to other countries. I am doing so as a part of a university school project using academic sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BronwynWiki (talk • contribs) 15:03, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Inline citations
There's a huge list of references being used inline, but at the same time there are entire paragraphs and quotes without them and lots of sentences without any. Verifying content in this manner is a nightmare, especially when cites from books don't contain page numbers. I would've tagged it for additional sourcing but there are already so many inline refs that it would seem odd to do so. This is a frustrating article because there is an abundance of sources available and used here, but inline referencing is extremely haphazard and inconsistent. Mansheimer (talk) 09:06, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I attempted to clean up the article a while back, but as you said it is a large job. I put in a lot of citations myself, but it's a large job to do for one or even two people. -- - Bataromatic (talk) 11:13, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your work. It inspired me to do a lot of cleaning up, copy editing, and adding references and inline citations. I'm done for now. There is still a lot to be done. It's a large job for many editors. JamieT83 (talk) 05:53, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Sista Grrrl and Exclusionary Tendencies
I think it is important to point out how Riot Grrrl was and still is dominated by white, cis women, despite its claim to be open for all women. Even in this article, there a very few mentions of women of color’s bands or other contributions to the Riot Grrrl scene. I understand that very little has been published about women of color in the scene, but even that fact could be addressed somewhere in this article. I would especially like to see Sista Grrrl, which was created by Tamar-kali Brown, mentioned too. Sista Grrrl was formed as a response to the discrete racism of the Riot Grrrl movement, founded by women of color and for women of color. Vice has a great article called “Alternatives to Alternatives: the Black Grrrls Riot Ignored]” by Gabby Bess on the Sista Grrrl movement. “Afropunk: the movie,” which is available on YouTube, also explores race and racism within punk scenes. The information is out there, though it is harder to find. NYU has an online library of Riot Grrrl zines and other artifacts, but only one of its zines was written by a woman of color. Women of color were always part of the Riot Grrrl and Sista Grrrl scenes, and we should highlight their contributions. If we do not address the problematic aspects of Riot Grrrl’s history now, we will not be able to move towards more inclusive music scenes going forward. The.bugs.l1fe (talk) 16:35, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @The.bugs.l1fe, welcome and thanks for these suggestions. Wikipedia is principally based on reliable secondary and tertiary sources, so the Vice article you mention would be a good place to start. Please feel encouraged to be bold and make additions as necessary. Happy editing! Innisfree987 (talk) 03:32, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The Vice article has been cited twice so far in the "Zines and publications" section:. To cite the article any more, you can use the ref name "Vice-2015" in an inline citation. That article is: Bess, Gabby (August 3, 2015). "Alternatives to Alternatives: the Black Grrrls Riot Ignored". Vice. More text with references for reliable sources to include Sista Grrrl would be great. JamieT83 (talk) 01:39, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I just added a paragraph on Sista Grrrl in the "Feminism and riot grrrl culture" section, using two articles as references other than the Vice one. Feel free to cite the Vice article and/or to edit the paragraph. JamieT83 (talk) 02:37, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Tamar-kali Brown and Simi Stone each have Wikipedia articles, so I added about Sista Grrrl to those too. JamieT83 (talk) 22:43, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Gender and Technoculture 320-01
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