Talk:Rosy-faced lovebird

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This article, in common with other Lovebird and pet bird articles, reads like a "How To" guide on keeping these birds, so it nees to become more encyclopedic. Wikipedia is not an instruction manual

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Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was no consensus to move. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:25, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Rosy-faced Lovebird → Peach-faced Lovebird &mdash; To the popular name of the lovebird. The species has a very popular name of "Peach-faced Lovebird", which has been the stable name of this article since the page was started in 2005. If there is no consensus supporting the new name, then the page move should be reverted. Snowman (talk) 12:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Amendment: stable since July 2007. Snowman (talk) 14:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: After a long discussion at Wikiproject birds a motion was passed 10 to 2 that the IOC name "should be the default position, and that in the cases of no consensus, the name should be at IOC name (that is, for a species to remain at a non-IOC name, there has to be a clear consensus)". This is in line with Naming conventions (fauna) that "If the article is about an animal belonging to a group where Wikipedia editors have agreed on a standard for choosing among two or more common names, follow that standard". -- Kim van der Linde at venus 13:36, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, just FYI and in the interests of transparency (and I had completely forgotten that I'd done this until I had a look through the page history now), I actually seem to have unilaterally moved the article from Rosy-faced Lovebird > Peach-faced Lovebird in July 2007. Before that, from December '05 it was at Rosy-faced Lovebird. I do sincerely apologise for moving the page without inviting discussion and going through the proper process first. At the time, I don't think that I was particularly familiar with the procedure WRT to species article (re)naming and the contentious issues involved (well, I couldn't have been, or I wouldn't have done it) and I suppose that I just figured that the article was at the 'wrong' name and went ahead and moved it. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 13:31, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Support

 * Support, as nominator. Snowman (talk) 14:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) IOC-names. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 13:36, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) oppose, for usual reasosn. I hope I don't miss any of these. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  19:31, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) happy with IOC name. Maias (talk) 00:01, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

 * I don't have a strong opinion on this one, but the IOC name is the default unless there is a clear consensus to move back to Peach-faced. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:44, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Because of the stability of the article since July 2007, I think that the page should only be moved back to Peach-faced Lovebird in the event of a clear consensus in favour of the IOC WBL name. The move was a controversial move and was contested on the WP Birds talk page, and I feel that this page should not have been moved without a formal discussion on this talk page, and that the usual wiki project guidelines should apply. Snowman (talk) 14:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This species is known as the Rosy-faced Lovebird by English speakers in its South African and Namibian range, and they are popular and well known birds down there. Unlike many South American species where the local names would be in Spanish,  African species are known by their English names in many African countries and these usages are used in lists like the ABC checklist (see here) and would have been adopted by the African subcommittee that recommended these names. These usages will not be reflected in Google tests because internet use is much more restricted. Sabine's Sunbird   talk  00:12, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Rename?
A number of repeated speedy renames are popping up for Category:Rosy-faced_Lovebird_colour_mutations

These seem to be imposing strict naming format policy on one category article, contrary to how the lead article is presented. Now I don't care if we rename the lot to Little Rosy Job, but we shouldn't be doing this by repeatedly speedying an unwatched category contrary to the lead article, hoping that no-one notices and the wikilawyers can then use that as a legal precedent to impose their dogmatic naming on the lead article. Andy Dingley (talk) 08:53, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, Andy...this is a move that was hashed in a rather massive (and acrimonious) RfC. This is enforcing an RfC decision, not "repeatedly speedying an unwatched category" - and it is in fact to make the category CONFORM to the lead article, not "contrary to". Please actually look at the facts instead of jumping on a case with an assumption - I don't like the lowercasing any more than you do, but consensus has spoken. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:23, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Look at the facts? A rename from "Rosy-faced" to "Rose-faced"? That's nothing to do with the RfC. Why is this lead article still using "Lovebird"?
 * If that speedy was so cut and dried, then it could have simply linked to the RfC conclusion and all would have been clear to everyone. As it was, it was speedied twice, even after being challenged and still no explanation as to the reasoning for it. If nothing else, that's just sheer arrogance from the "I'm right, I'm an admin, I don't have to explain anything" standpoint. This is supposed to be a collaborative project, a cost overhead that implies is such that you often can't "just act" (even if you're right), you have to communicate and explain as well. Andy Dingley (talk) 08:32, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * "Rosy-faced" to "Rose-faced" - that was the first, rightfully opposed, CFDS. The second - which, if you'd looked, you would have seen was explicitly suggested by me after opposing the original - makes no mention whatsoever of "Rose". "Why is this lead article still using "Lovebird" - it's not. *Points up to the title" Rosy-faced lovebird, lowercase "l". I'm dissapointed in the fact that even after I pointed out your mistakes that led to the second oppose (and this thread) you not only continued them but doubled down on them, and I don't appreciate your accusation of bad faith; at no time do I, or have I, ever taken an action on the basis of "I'm an admin, nnnnnneh!". I, in fact, assumed good faith as to why I "didn't explain" - because I assumed you had, in fact, noticed it was now "lovebird" and not "Lovebird" anymore, and I still find it utterly astounding that you did not, and even more astounding that from the above you believe the second CFDS still involves "Rose" somehow. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:33, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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