Talk:Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland

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Yeah. I'd say there's a lot of editing still left to be done. Do all the sentences need to written in such a way that even a 8-year-old could read them? It's ridiculous. We're supposed to be scholars.

Dirtymac42 23:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Faculty is not 243, please do not jump into conclusions when I AM STILL EDITING

geez

And there is also no rule saying that we must use templates


 * Templates makes articles simpler to edit, for instance Template:Infobox Irish University. Djegan 22:13, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * NOT REQUIRED

Also would you mind letting me finish first?

Why are you so #$@% on the wikipedia code? Wikipedia is about delivering information, not petty usage bureaucracy

the template is ugly by the way


 * By all means edit the article but I reserve the right to use a template upon completion. Believe you me templates are a defacto standard here. So accept or risk continous reverting. By the way theirs no point in taking the high moral ground because of recent submission of copyrighted material, by you I suspect. Djegan 22:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Also its St. Stephen's Green and not St. Steven's Green. Djegan 22:22, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

RCSI & NUI
Can anyone clarify the relationship between the college and the National University of Ireland, whilst is one thing being a recognised college, with all its charters and acts of the oireachtas does the college have (or had) the power to confir degrees? Djegan 22:41, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Page 12 of their current RCSI Undergraduate Prospectus available at http://www.rcsi.ie/admissions/Undergraduate_Prospectus/index.asp?id=24&pid=1046 should help. To quote the section:

Conferring of Degrees: Students graduating from the School of Medicine are awarded the historical licentiates of the Royal College of Physicians of Ireland and the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, LRCP and SI. In addition, they are conferred with the primary medical degrees of the National University of Ireland, MB BCh BAO (Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery, Bachelor of the Arts of Obstetrics). ant_ie 23:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Two reasons why I am asking; 1) I assume prior to the NUI relationship their were similar quailifications available (to the primary degrees). 2) Section 30 of the 2003 act mentions the word degrees. Djegan 18:36, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes
I dont really understand your question here, as you have posted, http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/ZZPA1Y2003S30.html RCSI does have the power to grant degrees..... so what is the matter?

Are you trying to ask this: before being recognised by NUI, does RCSI have the power to grant degrees?

The answer is yes, due to royal charters 1784 and 1886


 * Is this "ray of light" based on the idea that a Royal Charter grants every institution automatic degree awarding powers or fact? May I remind you that Section 30 above is entitled "Additional powers of the College." Djegan 21:50, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Its one thing having the power to award degrees, its another thing using them, i.e. abeyance. Djegan 21:53, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


 * so get to your point geez, you just want to know when is the first group of medical graduates right? well, I dont know.

RCSI vs its Medical School
The article seems to be mainly about the School of Medicine of the RCSI, rather than the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland itself, which I understand to be otherwise concerned more with training and examination at the postgraduate level, by awarding Fellowships of its own and, conjointly with the Royal College of Physicians of Ireland, Diplomas at a lower level in a variety of non-surgical specialties. Like the other Royal Colleges, this side of its activities largely involves overseas medical graduates who pay for their diplomas and go, leaving the enjoyment and running of the college in the hands of locally resident professionals. NRPanikker 23:12, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Notable Alumni
At this point (considering recent removals of bogus names such as those of students and by-standers) it maybe prundent to acutually cite the remaining names or remove them. Djegan 20:21, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Notable Honorary Fellows
I added to the list of honorary fellows of the RCS of Ireland. In this case I took "notability" to mean has a wikipedia page (which is a shame as it means anyone I couldn't find was left out....including Harold Browne who recieved his honorary FRCSI in 1976) Also my list only goes as far as 1981 so there is a gap from there.--Cremasteric 20:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Considering how often universities and other institutions give out honourary degrees/fellowships/membership such a list is hardly notable (its just a list of notable people). Djegan 20:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

You certainly have a point, however in that case the list of honourary fellowships should be removed completely, in my opinion it shouldn't be incomplete as it was if present at all. I suggest either you or RCSIRCSIRCSI remove it if you're in favour. --Cremasteric 00:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

--hi, just to clarify, Felipe Contepomi is a graduate, not an honorary fellow. i'm removing him from this list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.205.6 (talk) 21:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Widdess lecture
Text from now-deleted article as follows:

The Widdess Lecture is an annual event at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland. Each Spring, the Biological Society invites an expert in their field (usually outside of medicine) to speak to students and staff."

If anyone wishes to integrate this into the article in an appropriate fashion, feel free. Orderinchaos 03:55, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Why is it "Royal"?
Sony-youth has modified the introductory paragraph to explain that the RCSI is designated "Royal" because at the time of its foundation, Ireland was an independent kingdom. Would anyone else describe Ireland in 1784 as "independent?" Bear in mind that the King of Ireland at the time was George III. NRPanikker 11:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I have placed a fact request. Djegan 20:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Laughidea now explains the word "Royal" by the fact that Ireland used to be in union with Great Britain. However, the union did not take place until 1801. Since Henry VIII the King of England (and later the King of Great Britain) had also been King of Ireland. However, it was customary for institutions to get specific permission from the Crown before calling themselves "Royal." Such permission would have been implicit in the use of the term in the name of the college in the original charter granted by the King (or by the Lord Lieutenant on his behalf). NRPanikker 01:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Its a minor point, but none the less a valid point to make. Ultimately its your own discression to tag as . Djegan 22:54, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * This matter could be clarified by looking at the original (1784) charter of the college. Unfortunately Widdess does not give the text in his history of the college, nor is it on the RCSI's web site. NRPanikker 15:08, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

English is the language of instruction
I have just (for the second time) removed this from the lead section: English is the most commonly spoken language in the Republic of Ireland, and as such the language of instruction at RCSI is English. My reasons are: (1) So what? - the RCSI is a medical college in Ireland, so it's hardly surprising. (2) It's a little detail, not appropariate for the lead section. (3) It pushes the article too much towards the medical-school side of the college. The RCSI has a medical school, but it is far more than that. Snalwibma 16:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

RCSI is not a private college anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.211.182 (talk) 18:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The college is a private company, albeit a non-profit. It is not a public institution - c.f. UCD - and derives most of its money from student fees.--Conor (talk) 22:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Has English always been the language of instruction? When the medical school was founded in the 18th century, British universities were in the process of switching from Latin to English. At Edinburgh and Glasgow, the choice of language of instruction depended on the individual professor. Latin continued to be used in examinations for a much longer time. The two histories of Trinity College Dublin published in the 1850s describe oral examinations for the BA which required the student to devise three linked syllogisms in Latin on the prescribed topic. NRPanikker (talk) 17:37, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Gogarty, Notable Alumni
Oliver St. John Gogarty recieved his medical education at Trinity. See his autobiography 'As I was going down Sackville street', the O'Connor and JB Lyons Biographies and the wikipedia article on Gogarty. I removed him from the list of notable alumni for this reason- though he would have been a FRCSI he did not attend the RCSI medical school. Nucleicmilkshake (talk) 14:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

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Needs Work
Most of the article seems to be edited by someone who has a vested interest in RCSI looking good - reads very much like an advertisement for RCSI, with very subjective language used throughout. Needs a complete overhaul — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelClarkPhD (talk • contribs) 10:21, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

COI tag (May 2021)
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Needed improvements
- all inputs welcome. SeoR (talk) 23:09, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * History - currently weak, despite being rich and moderately well-documented
 * Campus / buildings - practically uncovered
 * Library / libraries (there are multiple locations, need to clarify if one entity)
 * The RCSI Museum (which vanished sometime in the 1980s but once held a pretty impressive display)
 * RCSI Sportsgrounds, Dardistown (the main facility for more than a decade, and still home, AFAIK, to some aspects, such as tennis)
 * Postgraduate and especially research functions and achievements
 * Historical and current nature of the relationship with NUI (and UCD)
 * Governance
 * Operational structure and management
 * Funding
 * and more

Ireland's First Private University?
The article was recently amended to state that the RCSI is Ireland's first private university. That seems unlikely, given that the students of the RCSI's medical school began in recent years to receive degrees from the National University of Ireland, and before that received only licentiate diplomas from the two Royal Colleges. "Licentiate" was not a degree in Ireland or the old UK: many bodies without degree-awarding powers award licences, and for them licentiate is often the lowest grade of membership. Or has the RCSI received a new charter or other authority to become a university? NRPanikker (talk) 21:59, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It is indeed the case, after a legislative change. I will add a citation. SeoR (talk) 22:51, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

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