Talk:RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars season 6

Consistency
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Hi will you be enforcing the table rule on this season? Or is it only the U.K. articles you target, I’m just curious because I think consistency is key, I assumed you didn’t bring it up on the American articles because there would be more of a backlash. Is this the case?Shontal Smith (talk) 21:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * It's because I have bigger fish to fry at the moment (covidiots and conspiracy theorists). If you wish to change the table to the same format as over on the UK article (i.e. remove it entirely), feel free to do so. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:40, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Absolutely not, because I disagree with what you and the other bandwagon of admins have done to RuPaul's Drag Race UK (series 2), and once it becomes unprotected, I shall be changing it back. Hope this helps.Shontal Smith (talk) 22:10, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Well that's not how WP:CONSENSUS works. You can disagree all you want, but unless you can make a succesful appeal against the consensus of the RfC there (which was closed by an uninvolved editor, as is the norm) at the appropriate venue, your actions will essentially be perpetuating a dispute by ignoring what's already been agreed about it. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:25, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Actually the consensus I looked at, the majority said Support A which is the old table. I thought consensus meant the majority had to agree Shontal Smith (talk) 15:26, 28 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Note I've blocked as a ✅ sock.--  Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 21:55, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Silky's placement epi1
Why silky is low in episode 1?, she received only positive critiques just like the other high queens, she should be high not low Nolian (talk) 08:14, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * She did receive negative critiques about her performance, as well as some positive ones on her outfit. Ross was disappointed with the ending of the performance, Carson said he was confused with the performance, and Michelle said they performance fell. Taylveon 00:04, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Bolding Winners who lost the Lip Sync for Your Legacy
I think for All Stars 5 and 6, it might be a good idea to bold the "WIN" for the episode winners that still lost the Lip Sync for Your Legacy. This wasn't done for All Stars 2-4 since those episodes would have had winner winners in each episode, but since there's only one top All Star of the Week, I think it's a good idea to bold them just to emphasize it's the most significant placement of the week. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Bleachies (talk) 22:28, 27 June 2021 (UTC)


 * The contestant won the challenge and won the Lip Sync for Your Legacy.
 * The contestant won the challenge, but lost the Lip Sync for Your Legacy.
 * The contestant received positive critiques and was ultimately declared safe.
 * The contestant received critiques and was ultimately declared safe.
 * The contestant received negative critiques, but was ultimately declared safe.
 * The contestant was in the bottom.
 * The contestant was eliminated.

Voting History
I won't go into the ins and outs of table accessbility as that's a completely different discussion BUT - the voting history section needs reformatting. The current key/colour denominations make seem as if Trinity was the top all star in episode 1 and lost her lipsync, and that Jiggly was the top all star ep 2 but won her lipsync. The notes need updating in the key so that it reads that the queen who voted this contestant etc. ≫  Lil- Unique1  -{ Talk  }- 22:07, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree. Already tried to get this discussion started on the season 5 talk page, but no engagement. I would suggest to remove the background colours of the votes, as it confuses probably not only me. Thijslandsmeer (talk) 22:13, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Episode 3
In Contestant Progress Trinity has the blue for "won the challenge and won the Lipsync for your Legacy"; in Lipsync it says the winner was Laganja and in Voting History Trinity has the yellow for "won the challenge and lost the Lipsync for your Legacy". It's not consistent and apparently needs to be changed in Contestant Progress giving Trinity yellow. --Blobstar (talk) 08:10, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Edit: This got changed in the article while I wrote this here, so it's already solved now and can be closed. --Blobstar (talk) 08:12, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Episode 7 placements
Ra'jah and Eureka were high, Kylie safe and Ginger low, right? Nolian (talk) 09:02, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

No, Eureka and Ginger received mixed critiques, therefore place safe. Nobody got overall negative critiques (Ginger received positive critiques as well). Kylie and Ra’Jah received mainly positive critiques, placing high. Thijslandsmeer (talk) 09:04, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

I second Thijslandsmeer’s point. Ra’Jah and Kylie should be High. Eureka and Ginger as Safe. Intercityelectra (talk) 09:06, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

On the fandom website it says that all queens where high except the bottom queens and trinity so they should be labeled as high placing


 * The fandom website is not a reliable source and is not the reason why this contestant progress table should be changed. Thijslandsmeer (talk) 13:52, 29 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Just rewatched the episode, and Eureka clearly received almost only positive critiques (except the bodysuit). I changed her placement in the table to HIGH. Thijslandsmeer (talk) 17:32, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I definitely think Eureka! was HIGH ShannonLemonBowl9 (talk) 17:36, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Kylie cannot be high if Ginger is not high. I think there's an argument for everyone being high, everyone being safe, or just Eureka/Rajah being high. But Kylie/Ginger cannot be separated. 72.189.35.109 (talk) 23:21, 29 July 2021 (UTC)DC

Ginger recieved fairly heavy negative critiques about her outfit, therefore warranting the SAFE placement. Kylie, aside from a little quip from Michelle, received exclusively positive critiques as did Ra’Jah. Eureka recieved more of a mixed response therefore SAFE would be the best for her I’d say. Intercityelectra (talk) 00:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Kylie being told her verse was not inspirational is the most negative commentary on the challenge anyone received that wasn't up for elimination. It's not a quip. There's no way she's high unless everyone is.

(The above comment is not mine, someone didn't sign it). My question is: why are 'high' and 'low' even included here? What reliable source provides verification of these placements? Everything here is supposed to be cited, yet there's never any citation to who is 'high' and who is 'low.' There's only a few possible outcomes which are actually supported: win, safe, bottom 2 (or more), eliminated. High and low don't exist on the show, and appear to be WP:SYNTH to me. Daundelin ❁  03:39, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

The reason why Kylie has the HIGH placement, is because all her critiques were positive, except Michelle saying her lyrics were “almost inspirational”. At the end of the day, HIGH and LOW placements are just a matter of opinion and I think should also be discussed to be included in the progress tables. Thijslandsmeer (talk) 07:51, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That's exactly my point. Wikipedia articles shouldn't include matters of opinion, they should be only cited and verifiable facts. Daundelin  ❁  15:32, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Eureka should be safe. She has 2 positives and 1 heavy negative. Compared to Ra’Jah who had like 4 positives and one small negative which was about a color of boot. And Kylie who had about the same positives as Ra’Jah abut her one negative was a little worse because it was about her lyrics. Billybobeditsss (talk) 04:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Why is everyone putting eureka high when she received mixed critiques just like ginger? Nolian (talk) 04:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Kylie needs to be safe. She literally had the biggest critique on the actual challenge other than the bottom two. This is not something that can be handwaved away. This is the problem with people making subjective analysis, especially when it comes to their favorites. "Almost being inspirational" is a very bad critique given the challenge. 72.189.35.109 (talk) 16:48, 1 August 2021 (UTC)DSC


 * Why is everyone still going on about this? 'high' 'low'--these are not verifiable or cited (or, indeed, citable) facts. They are WP:SYNTH and/or WP:OR. Daundelin  ❁  16:11, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Episode 4 placements
Ok so I believe we should mark Ginger Minj as Safe with critiques because they said she looked amazing and said she was professional to quote Jamaal “Gave it something” and the only negative critique she was actually given was that it was a little “Eh,” given to her by Michelle visage Yvng.Kxng (talk) 16:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

She was in the bottom three that week, therefore low. Intercityelectra (talk) 20:58, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Not really her critiques were mostly positive, it’s just like Thorgy Thor on As3 ep1 she was marked safe with critiques after getting mostly positive critiques. Yvng.Kxng (talk) 21:58, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Because all stars 3 had win, top 2, high, safe, btm and elim placements where as as6 has the low placement Alfie jakee (talk) 21:26, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Should be placed objectively not based on the main editors opinion
some of these placements solely aren’t correct based on critiques alone. Starting to think whoever edits this wiki is being bias and going off their own feelings.

1.) Eureka getting High in girl groups despite her critiques being equally good and bad. Her and Ginger got the same amount of good and bad (both had 3 or 4 positives and 2 negatives that I heard) so both should be yellow safe.

2.) Eureka being high and Ra’Jah only being safe in snatch game despite getting the same amount of positive and negative (both have to be high or both have to be safe. You can’t say one is high just because you preferred her because that’s what it seems like is happening.)

3.) Ra’Jah gets all positives in pink table talk yet has the same placement as Pandora who got more negative than positive. Ra’Jah has to be high or Pandora has to be low.

P.S i did a Reddit poll in the RPDR sub to see how many people agreed with me and out of over 1k votes 83% agreed so don’t think this is coming from a place of an angry stan. It’s simply the facts and the wiki should represent objective facts and not how you personally interpreted it. Billybobeditsss (talk) 06:18, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Troll
Some anonymous troll decided to completely mess up the contestant progress table, so I decided to learn how to edit by fixing the table back. If there are any incorrect placements please fix them. I was just trying to use this opportunity to learn how to edit on Wikipedia. Nickatnite1 (talk) 06:08, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Lipsync Episode
Sorry, I forgot to provide an edit summary for putting the top 4 as 'IN'. They still appeared in the episode, but were not up for elimination- so this might be the best solution if you do not want SAFE. Thanks!!

ShannonLemonBowl9 (talk) 10:32, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

And even though they did not necessarily compete, they still appeared throughout the episode- and in previous seasons (AS4 lalaparuza; AS5 finale) queens that appear but have not completed have still appeared in the table. :) ShannonLemonBowl9 (talk) 10:35, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I think they should just be kept as blank, they didn’t compete in this episode therefore that makes the most sense. Intercityelectra (talk) 10:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Also Manila and Monet in the lalaparuza episode are SAFE due to them winning the previous challenge, this justifies the SAFE placements in that instance as they earned it. In this instance the top 4 did not receive any placement as they did not compete. Intercityelectra (talk) 10:43, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I just thought 'IN' would be good, showing they appeared in the episode (like has been done in the other season's tables) without giving them a placement like SAFE. And it makes the table look more orderly too. I don't know if anyone else has thoughts though? ShannonLemonBowl9 (talk) 12:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I think "Guest" would make the most sense, but I saw someone had undid that revision earlier. Leaving it blank implies they made no appearance, SAFE and IN imply they competed. Guest states they made an appearance, but did not compete. TheAndroidMan (talk) 15:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I think guest would work well :) Because otherwise leaving it blank suggests they made no appearance like you said. Are there any more people who agree/disagree with that? ShannonLemonBowl9 (talk) 16:43, 19 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Guest is fine to me. Next time, please wait with making your change if the discussion is still ongoing. Thanks! Thijslandsmeer (talk) 17:42, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry! Thank you for agreeing :) ShannonLemonBowl9 (talk) 17:45, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

If I’m being honest I don’t think ‘Guest’ feels right for the queens. Yes, they didn’t compete but they were still part of the episode and they are still contestants in the competition. In my opinion, Guest implies that they are not competitors. For example, Soju, Ariel Versace, Honey Davenport, Scarlet Envy, Plastique Tiara and Suga Cain in the Season 11 makeover episode. Or when eliminated queens appear in the finale. In my opinion, a better label would just be some variation of SAFE. In the AS4 LaLaPaRuZa episode Manila and Monét are deemed as a regular safe as they had immunity from elimination, while Valentina, Monique, Trinity and Naomi had a different variation of SAFE seeing as they were actually competing in the episode. Ra’Jah, Kylie, Ginger and Trinity have immunity from the Lip-Sync Smackdown in a sense similarly to Manila and Monét, except this time the reasoning is different as they didn’t get eliminated. Personally I think the best thing to do is either label them as SAFE a la Manila and Monét, or create a different variation of SAFE/IN describing “This contestant has immunity from the Rudemption Lip-Sync Smackdown, as they hadn’t been eliminated”. This could also be implemented for Manila and Monét’s placement seeing as they had immunity. Does that make sense? Again, I think leaving it as ‘Guest’ gives off the wrong impression. What are your thoughts? Taylveon 23:56, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I think ‘Guest’ is perfectly fine. For example, on the regular seasons in the reunion episodes the top 4 finalists will be shown as ‘Guest’ even though they are still competitors, so it works the best really. At the end of the day I don’t think it’s really worth overthinking. Intercityelectra (talk) 02:19, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, but at that point in the competition the contestants had already been eliminated and weren't competitors anymore. The Top 4 queens in this episode are still competitors, as were Manila and Monét in AS4 EP6. I just don't think it's consistent to have Manila/Monét, and Ra'Jah/Ginger/Kylie/TKB labelled differently when their roles in the episodes were virtually the same. The best way to label it in my opinion would just be as SAFE from elimination as they were immune from the 'Twist', if that makes sense. Taylveon 14:57, 20 August 2021

It's really not that deep and not the same as in AS4. The top four literally watched lip-syncs that had already happened. They didn't do anything else than that, don't overthink it. The eliminated queens just got a second chance to return to the competition, the top four wasn't declared safe in any way. Thijslandsmeer (talk) 15:41, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Game Within a Game progress
I suggest we put this table up under the regular contestant progress table (in the same section), because the Game Within a game has a progress of its own that is noteworthy in my opinion, especially since it's the first time we have a "sub-competition" that takes place over several episodes. The outcome is not known yet but to show what it would look like with the 11th episode, I just chose one of them.


 * The contestant was still competing and not yet part of the Game Within a Game.
 * The contestant was eliminated from the competition and was invited by RuPaul to take part in the Game Within a Game.
 * The contestant won the Rudemption Lip Sync.
 * The contestant lost the Rudemption Lip Sync.
 * The contestant lip synced alone on stage and won the Rudemption Lip Sync by default.
 * The contestant was shown out of the Game Within a Game and lost their chance to return to the competition.
 * The contestant won the ultimate Rudemption Lip Sync and returned to the competition.

2607:FA49:1C40:4800:84C7:D664:1001:B504 (talk) 18:36, 22 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm not quite sure if this table will be a good addition to the article, but if it were to be added, there are some things to be fixed; the WINs and LOSSes of the contestants are not at the correct episodes. For example: Jiggly didn't win her lip-sync in episode 3, but during the filming of episode 2. The OUT you are using doesn't make sense in this table, as the table already tells which queens advance to the next episode, and which queens lost their lip-syncs.


 * The table would look something like the following if these things were fixed. The last two lip-syncs were filmed on the same day though, so the table will still not be correct, as Silky wins and loses a lip-sync on the same episode.


 * {| class="wikitable" border="2" style="text-align:center;"

! scope="col" rowspan="2"| Contestant ! colspan="9"|Episode !1!!2!!3!!4!!5!!6!!7!!8!!9 !Eureka! !Silky Nutmeg Ganache !Pandora Boxx !Jan !A'Keria C. Davenport !Scarlet Envy !Yara Sofia !Jiggly Caliente !Serena ChaCha
 * +Progress of the eliminated contestants for a chance to come back into the competition
 * colspan="8" | ON
 * style="background:lightgreen;" |WIN
 * colspan="2" | ON
 * style="background:lightgreen;" |WIN
 * style="background:lightgreen;" |WIN
 * style="background:lightgreen;" |WIN
 * style="background:lightgreen;" |WIN
 * style="background:lightgreen;" |WIN
 * style="background:lightgreen;" |WIN
 * style="background:darkorange;" |LOSS
 * colspan="7" | ON
 * colspan="1" bgcolor="darkgray" |
 * style="background:darkorange;" |LOSS
 * colspan="6" | ON
 * style="background:darkorange;" |LOSS
 * colspan="2" bgcolor="darkgray" |
 * colspan="5" | ON
 * style="background:red;" |ELIM
 * colspan="3" bgcolor="darkgray" |
 * colspan="4" | ON
 * style="background:darkorange;" |LOSS
 * colspan="4" bgcolor="darkgray" |
 * colspan="3" | ON
 * style="background:darkorange;" |LOSS
 * colspan="5" bgcolor="darkgray" |
 * ON
 * style="background:lightgreen;" |WIN
 * style="background:darkorange;" |LOSS
 * colspan="6" bgcolor="darkgray" |
 * style="background:red;" |ELIM
 * style="background:darkorange;" |LOSS
 * colspan="7" bgcolor="darkgray" |
 * }
 * }


 * The contestant was still competing and not yet part of the Game Within a Game.
 * The contestant was eliminated from the competition and was invited by RuPaul to take part in the Game Within a Game.
 * The contestant won the Rudemption Lip Sync.
 * The contestant lost the Rudemption Lip Sync.

Thijslandsmeer (talk) 08:40, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

The progress of the Game within the Game is already perfectly shown in the separate Lipsync progress table. The game was each step only played by two, one loses, the other appears in the next step; the Lipsync table shows that perfectly clear and understable. When your point is just that the Lipsync battle – although shown in one episode – actually happened over many, it would be enough to add one column „episode“ to the Lipsync progress table for the game within the game. Adding another table just to stretch it over the episodes would make it more complicated than it is. --Blobstar (talk) 10:14, 23 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Exaclty the reason why I am still not convinced by the table. Thijslandsmeer (talk) 10:16, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Addition: as I just noticed there is already a column "Episode" here's how it could look adding the episode when it happened. The rest of the table is here simplified. --Blobstar (talk) 10:31, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I'll let you decide since you seem to manage this page altogether! But you guys both should check your facts and go watch the series again, because Ru was wearing her Episode 3 blue dress for the Serena VS Jiggly lip sync... The lip syncs were filmed the next episode after the latest queen was eliminated. Silk Vs Jiggly happened the day Yara's elimination was filmed, Yara Vs Silky on Scarlet's night, etc. Feels like some other folks might make better decisions for the Drag Race pages knowing you state false facts... 2607:FA49:1C40:4800:5521:C50B:E7C4:E874 (talk) 10:59, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Episode 11 Silky Contestant Progress
I saw that Silky was labelled as a "Guest" for episode 11, but got less than 3 minutes air time. I feel that guest should be reserved for contestants who make a bigger appearance and who participate in the episode. In my opinion, Silky being sent home was more of a continuation of Episode 10, and not a full guest appearance. Her elimination is labelled under Episode 10, so why should her appearance for her elimination be in Episode 11? TheAndroidMan (talk) 16:00, 26 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Agree and ✅ Thijslandsmeer (talk) 17:48, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

New contestant progress table format
Where can I voice my thoughts on the new format for the contestant progress table that came into use within the past twelve hours? The legend features misuse of commas and inconsistent capitalization. Thank you. LeonardoMelchior (talk) 0:09, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I woul say probably on the talk page of the Drag Race Wikiproject (you can find the link at the top of this very page, go to the wikiproject, then click again on "Talk". Not A Superhero (talk) 07:15, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

I find it really hard to work out ppe scores coz there is no more high or low placements can we please add them back Alfie jakee (talk) 16:46, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You can find all that information, which is fan information, here: https://rupaulsdragrace.fandom.com/wiki/RuPaul%27s_Drag_Race_All_Stars_(Season_6)


 * It's not encyclopedic information, because it relies on interpretation and opinion rather than verifiable fact, which is why it has been removed. Daundelin  ❁  19:09, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Changing the table to make everyone safe takes away from the hard work these queens did to earn their placements, especially for the higher placing queens Yvng.Kxng (talk) 14:22, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * That is irrelevant. It is not encyclopedic information and it violates multiple Wikipedia policies. Daundelin  ❁  14:23, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * So u r the person who decided to remove the high/low positions? Wtf is wrong with you?? Jv cabral (talk) 21:40, 17 September 2023 (UTC)