Talk:SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant/Archive 2

Proposal: move stats to a template
There are many template articles for case statistics in, mainly for countries and continents. One reason to put statistics into templates is to allow for independent edit histories, so it's easier to track and review the changes. So I propose we create Template:SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant cases and Category:SARS-CoV-2 variant cases for it and the other variants, then add the category as a subcategory of. New editors would find the new article through a view/talk/edit navigation bar as show in and. What do you think? --Fernando Trebien (talk) 11:48, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't profess to fully understand everything in this proposal, but I can see a certain amount of benefit that would be gained from template-izing the statistics table. However, wouldn't this new template need 'coding' by someone? SpookiePuppy (talk) 22:00, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. It isn't a typical template with lots invokes, ifs and whatnot, but it has a bit of extra surrounding simple code to add nice features, like the button for the Visual Editor, the link to the main article, and so on. I copied the structure from COVID-19 cases in Europe added the navbar (which COVID-19 cases in Europe does not have), created template documentation, the category and the talk page, then replaced the table in this article with a template call. I think it looks nice this way, but we can always merge back if there's any need. I also requested page protection for the template to prevent vandalism. --Fernando Trebien (talk) 01:05, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Well done on the new statistics template. Following what you've done there has brought back memories of my attempts to learn machine code many years ago, such as how we had to poke a subroutine (or sub-programme) directly into memory to call it back later on! And one tiny mistake in the hexadecimal made it crash. So I appreciate your efforts and the table is much easier to edit now. SpookiePuppy (talk) 21:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! --Fernando Trebien (talk) 22:18, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

First recorded in the Netherlands
According to different news sites Omicron was actually first „noticed“ in the Netherlands (shortly after WHO made aware of the variant, old test samples in the Netherlands were positive for the variant already on 9th of November) 2003:E3:5F35:C28:30D1:A267:C67:7B13 (talk) 07:45, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If you give some sources, then people might use them to add info to the article. Boud (talk) 23:27, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

"As of 15 December 2021, 20 days after the first significant uptick in South Africa cases, there was still no significant uptick in COVID deaths. "
I don't think this is correct. Weekly deaths increased almost four-fold in the past two weeks (epiweek 47 through 49) and appears set to further increase substantially this week:

https://www.nicd.ac.za/diseases-a-z-index/disease-index-covid-19/surveillance-reports/daily-hospital-surveillance-datcov-report/

Chaptagai (talk) 05:51, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I think that the article is refering to Omicron deaths, and not the covid virus as a whole. Beansohgod (talk) 12:36, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * It's true that the official record of COVID deaths did not increase there, but excess deaths did, which suggests there's under-reporting. Both things are mentioned in the same paragraph, but maybe the phrasing could be changed. --Fernando Trebien (talk) 13:51, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Finland now at 34 cases
https://thl.fi/en/web/thlfi-en/-/over-10-500-new-covid-19-cases-recorded-in-finland-last-week?redirect=%2Fen%2Fweb%2Fthlfi-en

page in English — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.234 (talk) 00:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

case now in Poland
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/poland-reports-first-case-omicron-covid-19-variant-pap-2021-12-16/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.234 (talk) 00:58, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Update Malaysia
Malaysia has 2 cases, not 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAEgSxyaf3E — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crannofonix (talk • contribs) 12:37, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

south florida
not to repeat the obvious but this is serious....(perhaps add sources below somewhere in the article)


 * Florida COVID update: Biggest jump in cases since September, with 6,381 added'

--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 15:23, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ‘This is unprecedented’: Omicron causes 80% of coronavirus cases in Miami-Dade in 2 weeks

Update China
China has 2 cases, not 1

https://www.scmp.com/coronavirus/greater-china/article/3159649/omicron-china-reports-second-case-mutated-variant-after — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crannofonix (talk • contribs) 12:47, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅ The entry for China in the statistics table (Col. 3 - other sources) has been updated to 2 cases. SpookiePuppy (talk) 16:10, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Virulence
Anyone want to update the virulence subsection?

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/top-doctor-issues-stern-warning-against-omicron-c-4959906

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/17/no-evidence-that-covid-omicron-variant-less-severe-than-delta-uk-study.html

https://nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2021-12-17-forste-omikron-erfaringer-far-laeger-til-at-frygte-mange-indlagte — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C1:8800:B600:1DA:C72:D7D3:701F (talk) 23:41, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Update Singapore
https://www.thesundaily.my/home/singapore-reports-24-confirmed-omicron-cases-as-at-thursday-IG8668497

Singapore has 24 cases — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crannofonix (talk • contribs) 00:55, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Singapore updated to 24 on the statistics table. SpookiePuppy (talk) 02:38, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Romania Omicron
Three more cases of infection with the Omicron variant of the SARS CoV-2 virus were confirmed on Wednesday in Romania. The total number has thus reached 11. Doctors warn that after the holidays it is possible to increase the number of diseases in Romania. 109.101.119.76 (talk) 11:19, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Updated in the statistics table to 13 (for Col. 3 "other sources"). Citing: "Până în prezent, în România au fost confirmate 13 cazuri cu varianta OMICRON a virusului SARS-Cov-2." SpookiePuppy (talk) 03:16, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

update Romania
Two new cases with the Omicron variant of the SARS-CoV-2 virus were confirmed on Friday, in Romania, the Ministry of Health announced. To date, 13 cases with the OMICRON variant of the SARS-Cov-2 virus have been confirmed in Romania.

https://www.digi24.ro/amphtml/stiri/actualitate/ms-inca-doua-cazuri-de-infectare-cu-varianta-omicron-au-fost-confirmate-in-romania-1773443 109.101.119.76 (talk) 19:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ See: Talk:SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant. SpookiePuppy (talk) 03:19, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Update Chile
There are 30 cases in Chile.

https://www.cnnchile.com/coronavirus/omicron-the-economist-chile-pais-mejor-preparado_20211217/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crannofonix (talk • contribs) 04:41, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Table of confirmed sources
I suggest we merge the confirmed cases into one column for all of them regardless of source. Let's turn to List of the oldest living people as an analogy. There's an HTML comment that says:

''Inclusion in this list requires a reliable source that is less than a year old. The definition of a reliable source is provided by WP:RS. ANY reliable source is sufficient; there is NO requirement that the person's age has been validated by Guinness World Records or GRG.''

Likewise, after altering the table we can have the same HTML comment, only ending with "...that the cases have been validated by GISAID." Any thoughts here?? Georgia guy (talk) 22:00, 10 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Having everything in a single column was causing some issues with keeping the data up to date. See . --Fernando Trebien (talk) 22:56, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

In a fair number of countries, GISAID is the main touchstone for everyone doing genetic sequencing, so it is helpful having it as a separate column. I think the issue is not so much about "validation" as it is about being able to track quickly both the GISAID numbers and numbers by more local sources.Dongord (talk) 19:56, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Tree is scaled by time, not genetic distance!
Change from:



to



(or delete graph from article as it's much, much less interesting if it's only depicting time elapsed since December 2019)

Corrected on commons, but article here is locked from IP editing. 2A02:8071:184:DA00:BCB1:62A:34A9:9AAD (talk) 15:12, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: The caption on Wikimedia Commons appears to still state that the tree is scaled by genetic distance. I'm pinging to see if they can help. SpookiePuppy (talk) 21:43, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's scaled by genetic distance - correctly captioned. &mdash; soupvector (talk) 21:49, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * btw, I did specifically discuss time versus distance scaling prior to adding it to the page. &mdash; soupvector (talk) 22:51, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the speedy response. I'll change the "answered" tag on this semi-protected edit request to "yes", but the graph and caption will stay as it has been until now. SpookiePuppy (talk) 22:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2021
change 8 December to 8 November

First detection in sample = 8 November, not December 91.133.65.212 (talk) 22:43, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Agre that was an error in the lead section (was already correct in the History section), fixed now. Thank you! &mdash; soupvector (talk) 23:00, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Update Romania (2)
A new case of infection with the Omicron variant of the live SARS-CoV2 has been confirmed in Romania. So far, 16 cases with the OMICRON variant of the SARS-Cov-2 virus have been confirmed in Romania. 109.101.119.76 (talk) 18:45, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

https://www.digi24.ro/amphtml/stiri/actualitate/al-16-lea-caz-de-omicron-confirmat-in-romania-o-femeie-de-39-de-ani-care-s-a-intors-din-rd-congo-1777255
 * ✅ Romania updated to 16 cases. crannofonix (talk) 15:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Add R0 of Omicron
I just want to know that I just want the R0 of Omicron added to this article to know how transmissible Omicron. Thank you in advance.:) Ant1234567 (talk) 01:18, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If you can provide a reliable source, I will add it to the appropriate article. --Fernando Trebien (talk) 12:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * One source said that the "R0 of Omicron is 15". It means that Omicron has a R0 of 15. To me, that fact is shocking. Here is the link:is the second most contagious virus in the world" Ant1234567 (talk) 16:46, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't understand this at all. Isn't a R number specific to a population? Anything added would have to be easily understandable by a lay audience. Alexbrn (talk) 16:50, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, maybe it's cause by a spelling error. To clarify, R is the reproduction of people. I should have written this as "R0". Sorry. Ant1234567 (talk) 23:12, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Basic_reproduction_number where we've come to the consensus that the link above is not a reliable source for this information as per WP:MEDRS.Mvolz (talk) 10:36, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Update Romania (3)
The number of cases of infection with the Omicron variant has increased again in Romania, according to the health authorities. Another 9 new cases were registered on Thursday, bringing the total number of cases in Romania to 25, reports the Ministry of Health. 109.101.119.76 (talk) 17:43, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

https://www.digi24.ro/amphtml/stiri/actualitate/au-fost-descoperite-inca-9-cazuri-de-infectare-cu-varianta-omicron-in-romania-1779323 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.101.119.76 (talk) 17:44, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Romania updated to 25 cases. crannofonix (talk) 09:39, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Macedonia
Macedonia has confirmed it's first case of the Omicron variant today. 141.136.15.156 (talk) 19:55, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Added Macedonia. Thank you for making Wikipedia a better place!Crannofonix (talk) 08:54, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2021
On 10 December 2021, the UK Health Security Agency reported that early data indicated a 20- to 40-fold reduction in neutralizing activity for Omicron by sera from Pfizer 2-dose vaccinees relative to earlier strains and a 20-fold reduction relative to Delta. The reduction was greater in sera from AstraZeneca 2-dose vaccinees, falling below the detectable threshold. An mRNA booster dose produced a similar increase in neutralising activity regardless of the vaccine used for primary vaccination. After a booster dose (usually with an mRNA vaccine),[74] vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease was at 70%–75%, and the effectiveness against severe disease was expected to be higher.[75]

***vvvvvvvvvvvv*** seems it should be december?

On 26 November 2021 the WHO asked nations to do the following:

Enhance surveillance and sequencing efforts to better understand circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants. Submit complete genome sequences and associated metadata to a publicly available database, such as GISAID. Report initial cases/clusters associated with virus-of-concern infection to WHO through the IHR mechanism. Where capacity exists and in coordination with the international community, perform field investigations and laboratory assessments to improve understanding of the potential impacts of the virus of concern on COVID-19 epidemiology, severity, and the effectiveness of public health and social measures, diagnostic methods, immune responses, antibody neutralization, or other relevant characteristics.[76] 174.91.198.71 (talk) 01:20, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Hemanthah (talk) 03:44, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

kosovo case please add to map and table
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kosovo-reports-first-cases-covid-19-omicron-2021-12-26/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.115.89.96 (talk) 21:55, 26 December 2021 (UTC)


 * . Kosovo has been added to the statistics table with 9 cases in Column 4 (for other sources). Someone else will need to add Kosovo to the map. SpookiePuppy (talk) 13:28, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Insertion Mutation: ins214EPE and HCoV-229E
Under the subsection Mutations, there's a sentence that states "...it is believed that one of these many mutations, comprising a 9-nucleotide sequence, may have been acquired from another type of virus (known as HCoV-229E), responsible for the common cold." I believe this statement could be strengthened by specifying exactly what the insertion mutation is, i.e. ins214EPE. I think at one point this article did state which mutation it was but has since been removed due to some dubious claims and confusion over the interpretation of a pre-print. It is clear that this insertion mutation (ins214EPE) has not appeared in any SARS-CoV-2 variant or sublineage other than Omicron. It also seems more likely than not that the insertion mutation is eventually going to be confirmed (in a peer-reviewed publication) as being the same one that is found in HCoV-229E (although it seems the position is just out-of-frame with HCoV-229E). The pre-print titled "Omicron variant of SARS-CoV-2 harbors a unique insertion mutation of putative viral or human genomic origin" seems to be suggesting the possibility of co-infection: "Thus, the evolution of the unique insertion in Omicron could have been based on template switching during viral co-infections, or from prevalent templates in the human genome" and also co-expression of entry receptors (ACE2 and ANPEP). I realise that there are community sanctions in place over the use of pre-prints in certain COVID-19-related articles, so we will need to wait until more research has been published, but if there is someone who can help sort this out, it would be great. SpookiePuppy (talk) 16:21, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

115 so Dominican Rep and Gaza Strip
Bryant, Nadeem Badshah (now); Miranda; Bryant, Tom; Farrer, Martin; Cassidy (earlier), Caitlin; Ahmed, Kaamil; McKie, Robin; Savage, Michael (December 26, 2021). "Covid live: US reports highest seven-day cases average since January; UK 'considering door-to-door vaccinations'" – via www.theguardian.com.

seems to mention more cases - this source is in the timeline of omicron article where it also says 115 different places - yet we have 108 in this article - where is the discrepancy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.115.73.249 (talk) 22:46, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

finland figures out dated
I am sure many more cases in existence in many places. BUT here is an article

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12249910

with a higher finland figure: i.e 172 in Just Hesinki area

"New studies tell of the disease of omicron And then to omikron: promising good and bad news.

According to Salminen, a study in Scotland says that the disease caused by omicron appears to be 40 to 60 percent less delta, according to preliminary results. This has been assessed in the past, but new and high-quality studies seem to support the finding.

Omikron is displacing the delta throughout Europe, and has already displaced it regionally. There are no special risk countries anymore, as in Finland, too, omikron seems to have become mainstream in the HUS area.

Based on screening tests, Omikron already accounts for 70 percent of new cases in the HUS area. So far, 172 cases have been identified."

Please replace "34" with "172" in table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.115.73.249 (talk) 14:10, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Could you please provide a better source that says that there are 172 omicron cases? Thanks Crannofonix (talk) 01:20, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Add mention of suggested mouse origin?
When/if secondary sources are found, is this something worth mentioning? According to a peer-reviewed study accepted for publication in the Journal of Genetics and Genomics, "results suggest that the progenitor of Omicron jumped from humans to mice, rapidly accumulated mutations conducive to infecting that host, then jumped back into humans". https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1673852721003738 --Xarm Endris (talk) 08:57, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Would require WP:MEDRS sourcing; this is primary research. Alexbrn (talk) 09:02, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Is this publication itself not a peer response to the hypothesis that the variant originated in “an immunocompromised individual who provided a suitable host environment conducive to long-term intra-host virus adaptation”? In that context the article can be cited.— Frdp (talk) 18:08, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

UK Data
Note: the UK is unfortunately no longer updating figures specifically for omicron as it is now the dominant strain affecting the UK. So the case figures cannot be filtered for just omicron anymore. See note on page 1 of https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1044522/20211231_OS_Daily_Omicron_Overview.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.212.192 (talk) 01:44, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks for pointing this out. The note you are referring to states: "As VOC Omicron is now the dominant strain within England, with effect from 1 January 2022 UKHSA will no longer be separately reporting VOC Omicron statistics. Daily COVID-19 statistics continue to be available via UK Summary Coronavirus (COVID-19) in the UK (data.gov.uk)" And: . SpookiePuppy (talk) 18:51, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Bulgaria missing from table but on map
https://sofiaglobe.com/2022/01/02/covid-19-in-bulgaria-omicron-variant-found-in-12-samples-sequenced-by-ncipd/ gives a source for case numbers - marked on the map, but not in the table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk) 20:45, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Bulgaria added to the statistics table, with 12 cases in Column 4 (other sources). Thank you for providing a reference, it makes it so much easier. SpookiePuppy (talk) 21:25, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Edit Request
In the "Possible consequences" section, the article reads "its spread will very likely increase hospitalizations and fatalities due the exponential growth in cases caused by increased transmissibility". It should read "due to the exponential growth". (emphasis added) InfoManiac297 (talk) 06:55, 5 January 2022 (UTC) ✅.Leomk0403 (Don't shout here, Shout here!)  09:19, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

finland zpdate now 363 cases
4.1.2022 mennessä on todettu yhteensä 363 varmistettua omikron-löydöstä.

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12259446 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk) 11:38, 5 January 2022 (UTC) ✅ I have updated Finland. 363 cases Crannofonix (talk) 11:15, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

timeline in all but name
Reported cases See also: Timeline of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant

is what is says in the article, but below this is actually a timeline - that material should be removed and put in the timeline article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk) 20:06, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Macedonia
Macedonia has reported 9 new cases of the Omicron variant today, making the total number to 11, please update the map and table. Hen2014 (talk) 19:39, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Could you please provide a better source that says that Macedonia has 11 cases in total? Thanks! Crannofonix (talk) 11:19, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

I did provide a source Hen2014 (talk) 11:56, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I've updated Macedonia to 9 Omicron cases in the statistics table under Col. 4. I wasn't able to source the suggested 11 cases. This is the reference being used. SpookiePuppy (talk) 02:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Present in Moldova
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igty2aLhfwI suggests it is there, though a better source might be needed. So far not marked on the map nor the table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk) 20:49, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: The prescence of Omicron in Moldova does not appear to be confirmed as yet, but it is clearly being assumed to already be there. SpookiePuppy (talk) 21:31, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Update: Moldova is now being listed on GISAID with 16 sequences, and this has been added to Col. 3 of the statistics table. SpookiePuppy (talk) 21:22, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

map updates needed
www.gov.im weekly-surveillance-report-060122.pdf shows it is in the Isle of Man; and the table lists it as present in Moldova

- neither of these are marked on the map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk) 22:01, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Treatments ?

 * Remdesivir
 * Molnupiravir
 * Nirmatrelvir
 * Paxlovid
 * Evusheld
 * sotrovimab
 * tixagevimab
 * cilgavimab
 * etesevimab
 * bamlanivimab
 * 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 16:17, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Delta patients benefit most from casirivimab and imdevimab(Regeneron) and Bamlanivimab (Eli Lilly; https://www.fda.gov/media/145802/download), while Omicron patients benefit from sotrovimab (VIR-7831; GlaxoSmithKline and Vir Biotechnology;https://www.fda.gov/media/149534/download) An example of a test that can differentiate these variants are seqeuencing and PCR tests such as GG COVID-19 Omicron and Delta kit(https://cellgenemedix.com/omicron/). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjn1983 (talk • contribs) 09:45, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2022
In the really big chart of cases by country, please add a column for total confirmed cases by country. It's a routine calculation obtained by adding all the numbers columns except the one for "Suspected". Based on this revision of the page, the numbers are as follows:

United Kingdom	450,496 Denmark	95,190 United States	206,020 Germany	69,916 Norway	39,280 Canada	37,754 Austria	26,087 France	12,343 Thailand	5,795 Singapore	5,432 Estonia	3,857 Australia	8,109 India	6,074 Israel	6,541 South Africa	4,855 Japan	2,951 South Korea	1,403 Spain	3,449 Belgium	3,237 Sweden	4,207 Switzerland	4,304 Argentina	700 Indonesia	1,223 Botswana	1,021 Netherlands	2,388 Ireland	1,371 Gibraltar	258 Iceland	84 Italy	3,432 Chile	1,344 Portugal	986 Morocco	128 Zimbabwe	213 Ghana	159 Brazil	1,105 Finland	599 Cyprus	31 Kenya	569 Russia	918 Cayman Islands	44 Uganda	46 Mexico	1,353 New Zealand	270 Namibia	35 Hong Kong	234 Senegal	38 Mozambique	41 Greece	25 Bermuda	144 Latvia	644 Romania	193 Malaysia	541 Zambia	95 Nigeria	242 Czech Republic	441 Kosovo	9 Slovenia	1,753 Lebanon	441 Reunion	15 Mauritius	22 Poland	323 Rwanda	6 Turkey	996 Montenegro	28 Cambodia	97 Peru	380 Jordan	882 China	23 Cuba	92 Croatia	21 Egypt	4 Malawi	123 Palestinian Territory	126 Taiwan	89 Lithuania	236 Colombia	247 Slovakia	97 Trinidad and Tobago	17 Puerto Rico	763 Fiji	2 Nepal	33 Myanmar	4 Philippines	120 Northern Cyprus	2 Bangladesh	63 Liechtenstein	48 Hungary	61 Oman	21 Pakistan	133 Sri Lanka	96 Georgia	776 Algeria	3 Bahrain	1 Ecuador	134 Kuwait	1 Luxembourg	432 Maldives	33 Sierra Leone	2 Saudi Arabia	1 Tunisia	1 United Arab Emirates	1 Iran	468 Ukraine	2 Panama	2 Costa Rica	125 Aruba	18 North Macedonia	10 Vietnam	36 Brunei	29 Malta	85 Venezuela	11 French Guiana	244 Republic of the Congo	22 Qatar	4 Paraguay	3 Burkina Faso	2 Curacao	5 Saint Kitts and Nevis	4 Libya	2 Albania	1 Aruba	1 Barbados	7 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines	3 Dominican Republic	1 Jamaica	1 Serbia	1 Tanzania	1 Togo	5 Belarus	4 Bosnia and Herzegovina	24 Angola	16 Democratic Republic of the Congo	1 Bulgaria	24 Mayotte	6 Martinique	7 Gambia	66 Seychelles	2 Saint Martin	39 Laos	1 Iraq	14 Mauritania	14 South Sudan	41 Ivory Coast	78 Cape Verde	175 Antigua and Barbuda	15 Gabon	1 Bolivia	1 Moldova	45 Kazakhstan	14 Guadeloupe	5 Azerbaijan	24 Suriname	14 Sint Maarten	11 British Virgin Islands	1 Mali	1 Anguilla	2 Bonaire	5 World total (157 countries and territories)	1,028,237 122.150.71.249 (talk) 04:21, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 04:29, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Why would this potentially be a contentious issue? 122.150.71.249 (talk) 06:50, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * If I have correctly understood what is being proposed, it's for the addition of a new column that provides an aggregate figure for each country's confirmed cases, arrived at by adding horizontally by row (excluding the suspected cases). The request stated "by adding all the numbers columns" which initially confused me, but the figures offered as an example do work out if this is interpreted as adding "by row", by country. I do feel that this is a potentially contentious issue, as the addition of each country's rows would produce much larger figures than the columns taken individually and these larger figures could be quite misleading. The intention (although implied rather than expressed) with the columns as they are is that they are to be taken separately, with differing angles or emphasis on the available statistics, for example, some are more sequence-dependent, some are driven by news reports or health department press releases, and there are all sorts of delays involved. There is another issue: although the work involved in generating the proposed additional column would not be that much, the future updating of it would be, and it could make the task of updating the statistics table even more arduous as this all has to be done manually. This column would be vulnerable to changes in each of the existing columns (col. 2, 3, and 4), and would be susceptible to becoming out-of-date very quickly. If I have grasped this properly, then it's a "no" from me. SpookiePuppy (talk) 18:05, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

finland update now 523 cases
https://www.dailyfinland.fi/health/25382/53600-COVID-infections-diagnosed-in-1-week-140-deaths-in-2-weeks

"The total number of cases of the Omicron variant was 523 until Wednesday. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk) 19:06, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Finland updated to 523 cases in Column 4 (other sources) of the statistics table. Thanks for providing a source. SpookiePuppy (talk) 20:10, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Deltacron redirects to this page but there's no mention of it
Even if it's just to say it's disputed concept, someone with expertise might want to add a mention of it. —Pengo 08:42, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Deltacron: variant of COVID-19 with mutant hot spots found in both Omicron and Delta -Leonidos Kostrikis, a professor of biological sciences at the University of Cyprus announced on 1/6/2022 that they have identified 25 “deltacron” cases. “There are currently Omicron and Delta co-infections and we found this strain that is a combination of these two”. -11 of the 25 patients were hospitalized with COVID-19 and 14 remained among the general public. -The higher Deltacron infection rate among the patients hospitalized for COVID-19, compared with non-hospitalized patients, rules out the contamination hypothesis. -samples he analyzed were processed in multiple genetic sequencing procedures across several countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjn1983 (talk • contribs)

Here is an article on the Deltacron variant:, why is there no mention of it in this article? Yodabyte (talk) 03:32, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * We need more reliable sources to describe properly this genetic recombination, the original source is disputed between scientists. Carlosguitar (Yes Executor?) 00:00, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Not really seeing a need to include a thing that isn't real. Redirect should probably be deleted. Artw (talk) 16:03, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

bhutan omicron 3 cases reported
https://www.facebook.com/bhutantimes1/photos/a.647027585483093/1782737695245404/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk) 22:22, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ added to Col. 4 of the statistics table with 14 cases, but using a different source. SpookiePuppy (talk) 19:05, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Omicron in Papua New Guinea
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/19/papua-new-guinea-reports-first-omicron-cases-amid-fears-over-lvaccination-rate — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk) 04:29, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅: Papua New Guinea has been added to Column 4 of the statistics table with 1 case. Thank you for raising this and providing a source. SpookiePuppy (talk) 19:32, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

mongolia
https://montsame.mn/en/read/286227 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk) 20:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ 12 cases for Mongolia added to column 4 of the statistics table. SpookiePuppy (talk) 22:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Death toll worldwide
Incredibly low death rate should be talked about and listed. No death toll is highly suspicious. 2600:387:1:824:0:0:0:52 (talk) 20:34, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "no death toll" ??--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 16:20, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

BA.2 looks to be up next, no?
https://reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/saj38p/now_an_omicron_variant_ba2_accounts_for_almost/

107.242.121.6 (talk) 13:26, 23 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Already covered in wiki article ('1.2.1 Sublineages...'). RN1970 (talk) 15:26, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Mutation rate of the Omicron variant in comparison to other variants
Based on the Nextstrain data, the mutation rate of the Omicron variant seems to be higher than the others. The new clade (21L) attained already 102 mutations in a very short period. The mechanism is not known, but the high number of infections can be suspected as a culprit. Wiczew (talk) 16:30, 23 January 2022 (UTC)


 * A lot of mutations, but not quite that many. The result of a Nextstrain error, now mostly corrected. See also comments here (Richard Neher is one of the people behind NS). We should also be careful with making our own interpretation of phylogenetic trees; even if reasonable, that's entering WP:OR territory. RN1970 (talk) 00:45, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

map unhelpful
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic#/media/File:COVID-19_Outbreak_World_Map_Total_Deaths_per_Capita.svg shows that a rate of death can be given, perhaps it would be better to use these population figures and give a map in this article that shows the reported rate i.e. per 100 000 as the other map is doing - rather than absolute numbers which makes no real sense if including high population countries like the USA and then also showing low population countries like Estonia.

It is also the case that the Omicron is in so many countries / regions that the table here is not so useful - and perhaps can be put elsewhere and the map instead used to show prevalence.
 * why do you believe that would be better(BTW please sign your post)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 20:22, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

I think it is misleading - the trump map of usa here shows why: https://firstdraftnews.org/articles/from-coronavirus-to-bushfires-misleading-maps-are-distorting-reality/ in short if 100 people in San Marino have omicron and 1000 people in the USA have Omicron the USA shows as more serious, but the much larger population size and area means the virus spread is far more and more serious in San Marino. You can see this here if you click per population data for deaths: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ - contrast absolute numbers with numbers per million population. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk) 03:46, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

"SARS-CoV-2 Demicron variant" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect SARS-CoV-2 Demicron variant and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 26 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed,Rosguill talk 20:49, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

BA.2 pediatric hospitalizations
This Twitter thread describes and links to various official and mass media sources on very heavy child hospitalizations for the newly emerging BA.2 sub-variant, but was called premature and alarmist in another forum, so I am asking other editors to take a second look please:

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1486237761594183680

More Twitter threads on BA.2 growth:

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1485365284361805825

https://twitter.com/InfectiousDz/status/1486303443685937152

https://twitter.com/MoritzGerstung/status/1486060763160666117

107.242.121.6 (talk) 11:20, 27 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Twitter isn't generally a reliable source for wikipedia, WP:UGC. Those tweets don't actually support linking BA.2 to pediatric hospitalizations. Three of them are about increasing levels of BA.2, but don't mention pediatric hospitalizations. In the tweet by Eric Feigl-Ding (who often is a questionable source anyway), he talks about pediatric hospitalizations, but almost all is for countries where recent peaks initially were caused by Delta and then Omicron BA.1. Countries with very low to quite low Omicron BA.2 in the relevant time period. Among countries he mentions, Denmark is the only with levels of BA.2 that were sufficient 10 days ago (average time from COVID-19 infection to hospitalization) to potentially link it to hospitalizations.
 * However, as noted by the Danish medical authorities, a large part of the recent increase in hospitalizations with COVID-19 actually are entirely unrelated to COVID-19. A few weeks ago it was more than one-third of COVID-19-positive hospitalizations that actually were unrelated; by SSI now estimated to be significantly higher, especially in younger people. This is very different than before Omicron where their data showed that the vast majority of COVID-19-positive hospitalizations actually were related to that disease. In other words: When there's a lot of COVID-19 infections in children and especially when a large proportion of those infections are an Omicron subvariant, many children that are hospitalized for something entirely different just happen to also test positive for COVID-19. All that are hospitalized are tested (Denmark has extremely high test rates relative to population; this is part of the reason for the country's low case fatality rate, e.g. in last weeks it has been 1⁄4 of the rate in the US). As noted in SSI's latest risk evaluation, this also means that –for the first time– the country is in a situation where a larger number of deaths registered as COVID-19 (because of the 30-day rule) are unrelated to the disease. SSI's data shows that Omicron has considerably lower risk of hospitalizations than Delta; this is supported by data from other countries, too. SSI's current data also shows similar age distribution and hospitalization rates in BA.1 and BA.2. The last time a child with COVID-19 died in Denmark was many months ago; before Omicron.


 * Based on their data on hospitalizations, severity and vaccination/booster rates, along with level of pressure on the Danish healthcare system, the medical authorities just recommended to the government that most restrictions can be removed. If the Danish medical authorities suddenly see anything that points to it being more serious in children you can be sure that this recommendation will be rapidly reversed. RN1970 (talk) 16:36, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

"SARS-CoV-2 Delmicron variant" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect SARS-CoV-2 Delmicron variant and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 27 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed,Rosguill talk 19:14, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Subjunctive or non-orthographic spelling?
The current article contains:

"Early figures suggest that double vaccination offer 30 to 40 percent protection against infection and around 70 percent protection against hospitalization. A recent third vaccine dose boosts effectiveness against infection to around 75 percent, and 88 percent for severe disease."

If the form "offer" is not a subjunctive form, it does not conform with "double vaccination", which is singular. If the second quoted sentence may be presumed to form a continuation of the first in the sense that its contents are suggested by "Early figures" as well, then the use of the form "boosts" in that sentence would suggest the form "offers" would be to be expected in the first sentence.

I know of the English subjunctive, but my degree of command of English does not allow me to decide whether subjunctive "offer" in the first sentence could be grammatical. Otherwise I might already have changed it into "offers". What help can you offer?Redav (talk) 13:08, 26 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Well spotted! I don't know whether "offer" is grammatically correct, but even if it is, it just doesn't sound right. I don't see how the second sentence can somehow rebalance (or counterbalance) it - in "retrograde", as it were! I suggest changing it to "offers". SpookiePuppy (talk) 23:17, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ✔️ Just realised that it's been changed already in the article. SpookiePuppy (talk) 23:22, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

cases in Antarctica
https://www.pagina12.com.ar/396777-covid-19-en-la-antartida-omicron-se-propago-en-la-base-esper there were also some earlier Belgian cases. Both times the reports say Omicron, but no details on confirmation of this. Maybe in other languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk) 00:06, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Antarctica has been added to the statistics chart with 24 cases for Col. 4 (other sources). The source stated: "La variante Ómicron de coronavirus llegó a la Antártida, donde se detectaron 24 casos de covid-19 en la Base Esperanza...", so have added 24 cases. SpookiePuppy (talk) 00:29, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

is omicron also a variant of HlV (in addition to sars-cov-2)
Since it is from someone with untreated Hiv and since it has Hiv symptoms such as night sweating (unlike other sars-cov-2 variants), can we regard omicron as a HIV mutation OR Hiv variant? 176.54.38.249 (talk) 00:27, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

less clear than Bhutan but suggestion that omicron is in Afghanistan
https://www.dawn.com/news/1670118/omicron-test-mandatory-for-covid-positive-people-at-torkham-peshawar-airport — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk) 23:29, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: a more definite source will be required that provides the exact number and specific to Omicron in Afghanistan. I agree that the suggestion is that Omicron is in Afghanistan, but I am unable to find any other sources to tighten this up. SpookiePuppy (talk) 19:15, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svgUpdate: I have just found this article, which definitely adds weight to the claim that Omicron is in Afghanistan, but still can't really add the country to the chart based on this. SpookiePuppy (talk) 02:45, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Omicron in Greenland
https://polarjournal.ch/en/2022/01/17/polar-regions-feel-grip-of-omicron/ - is strongly suggested by this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk) 19:30, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: A more definite source will be required that mentions that it is the Omicron variant as opposed to COVID cases, and ideally, one that mentions the specific number of cases which have been sequenced in Greenland. Thank you for posting this and for supplying a source. SpookiePuppy (talk) 02:36, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/health/coronavirus-variant-tracker.html mentions Greenland on its map - you will have to look more closely for details of the source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk) 06:24, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * NY Times probably just merge Greenland with Denmark (Greenland is self-governing, but part of the Kingdom of Denmark), which they've done on some maps before, especially when dealing with things where the Greenlandic government & authorities don't publish the data in an easily accessible format. Regardless, Omicron is in Greenland, but without knowledge of the local languages it is near-impossible to find that information: It was actually first confirmed in samples from just before Christmas (12 Jan article). Enough samples are collected weekly to have a pretty good idea about the variant distributions, but because of the logistics there's more delay (Denmark has fairly robust sequencing percentages after a week, Greenland after two). Unfortunately, the Greenlandic government & authorities have not published exact numbers/percentages for Omicron, except saying that their recent surge primarily has been caused by it. RN1970 (talk) 14:47, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Sudan and Uzbekistan cases on this map from NY Times
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/health/coronavirus-variant-tracker.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk) 06:28, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

here is a figure for uzbekistan so it can be added to the table and map http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/20220110/8546832c799b4689af4c801f9a9fd417/c.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk) 19:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

better mapstyle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic#/media/File:World_map_of_total_confirmed_COVID-19_cases_per_million_people.png shows a better sort ofmap we could use - asI explained in the talk before — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk) 21:25, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Nomenclature
On Nextstrain, in addition to 21K, there is now 21M (Omicron), 21L (Omicron), where 21L and 21K are subgroups of 21M. I updated the article to reflect that and I hope that my wording was alright. No need for new sources since the existing source is where I'm reading this. Palehose5 (talk) 17:20, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

separate article?
would it not be wise to start thinking about a separate article for its still not a Voc, however ....--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 14:55, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Deltacron
Please see what you can add from this. Kailash29792 (talk)  12:23, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * thank you for post--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 14:56, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Regarding 229E
Very few suspect that the 9-nt insertion comes from 229E. "It is believed..." suggests a general consensus when reality is a low quality, unreviewed study cherry picking one hit out of countless hits and Reuters writing a viral news article about it. 2001:8A0:65A9:5501:D940:8A09:7B85:21EF (talk) 10:31, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2022
In February 2022, According to early research from the UK and Denmark,

This doesn't make grammatical sense, and early research means that the precise date really isn't needed. Please remove everything before "According". 49.198.51.54 (talk) 09:40, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ with modification Happy Editing-- IAm Chaos  00:54, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2022
Please remove this:

should receive its own name based on the Greek alphabet

and add this

should receive its own Greek-letter name

Thank you. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 20:05, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅. Heartmusic678 (talk) 13:59, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

deltacron
Why no mention? I can only find this:

Leondios G. Kostrikis as a wikipedia article. Why has it been removed? When we see this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/11/what-is-deltacron-covid-variant-uk

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk)


 * Needs a published peer reviewed paper and recognition from the scientific community before we would make an article. See WP:SIGCOV. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 05:30, 17 March 2022 (UTC)


 * it does not say that. It does not require that a WHO statement nor scientific papers are required. there are general notability guidelines, which say secondary sources preferred on that link, Forbes and Guardian both have articles - clear reliable secondary sources. There is no requirement for specialist subject guidelines that might require it. 88.112.31.26 (talk) 04:17, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 March 2022
Change 'access' to 'assess' (typo) in first paragraph of 'Affected countries and transmissibility' section.

"...although it is difficult to access what part is caused by the higher transmissibility of BA.2..."

should read:

"...although it is difficult to assess what part is caused by the higher transmissibility of BA.2..." 208.38.3.34 (talk) 21:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ MadGuy7023 (talk) 21:40, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2022
At one point, a cited statement is marked with ''{ {Citation needed|date=December 2021|reason=Citations should be reliable medical sources. See WP:MEDRS} } This whole template should be removed and replaced with { {Unreliable medical source|date=December 2021} }''. The problem is that the current source isn't good enough, not that there isn't a source at all. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 05:05, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 18:45, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Relative time expression needs to be changed to a date
Hi,

since I cannot edit on this page, I would like to send you the information this way: The sentence "On Thursday, Brazilian authorities announced the first detected case of a person infected with Omicron XE." needs to be changed to read "On April 7, 2022, Brazilian authorities announced the first detected case of a person infected with Omicron XE." That's all. :)

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.117.144.166 (talk) 19:24, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

subvariant

 * cases are ticking up sooner than later there will be a need for a separate article--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:53, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2_Omicron_variant#Prevention

Do we have any information about vaccine effectiveness with a 3rd or fourth dose of Full-Dose 100mcg Moderna covid-19 vaccine?

Usually, Moderna is given only as a half-dose 50mcg vaccine.

Moreover, it is possible to give a full-dose Pfizer 30mcg shot to both arms and even to both thighs, 4*30mcg=120mcg which should be safe in most cases, and this would reach 4x more lymph nodes. Lymph nodes are very critical for vaccine efficacy!

--137.163.80.6 (talk) 15:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2022
File:Map of countries with confirmed SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant cases.svg currently appears twice in this article: once in the infobox and once in the Statistics section. Please remove one or the other. 122.150.71.249 (talk) 10:55, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template.  Terasail [✉️] 15:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It shows twice on desktop and mobile, so I think it's ok to remove the second one in the Statistics section. --Fernando Trebien (talk) 12:59, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Please explain B and BA. Are these abbreviations, if so for what?
Please explain B and BA. Are these abbreviations, if so for what?

Davidl53 David Lawrence, Ph.D.; San Diego State University 00:41, 7 June 2022 (UTC)


 * No. There are too many variants and the evolution of SARS-CoV_2 is too fast for giving names rather than "telephone numbers". See Variants of SARS-CoV-2. (For example, in astronomy, we often informally describe astronomical objects' names, e.g. Galaxy, as "telephone numbers".) Boud (talk) 16:50, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * That's not quite right: a tiny fraction of particular variants - those that are considered important in some sense by WHO - have been given names such as alpha, beta, ..., omicron. But B is a subgroup of SARS-CoV-2, and BA is a subgroup of B, and BA.5 is a subgroup of BA, where 'subgroup' also refers to the evolutionary chains. At least that's my impression from reading Wikipedia... Boud (talk) 01:32, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Centaurus
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/12/centaurus-virologists-express-concern-at-new-covid-subvariant-omicron - where is the name from? A redirect points to this wikipedia article page - but then the variant is not mentioned 109.240.81.111 (talk) 04:34, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have created a subsection for it. Alexcalamaro (talk) 05:05, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

looks relevant https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02154-4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.31.26 (talk) 15:19, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

New European wave Oct 2022 - which variant?
Do we have any sources for the SARS-CoV-2 variant of the October 2022 new COVID-19 wave in Europe? The data themselves show mostly BA.5, e.g., especially from Austria, Denmark, Finland, France in week 38 of 2022. Boud (talk) 23:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * will have to wait and see--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:51, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No, we dont have to wait and see Boud, you can always check the weekly ECDC reports: BQ.1 and its sub-lineages are at around 30% of all variants as of Weekly Communicable Disease Threats Report, Week 46, 13 - 19 November 2022, so it´s a bit more than the 24% in the US, BA.5 is fading. --Wuerzele (talk) 11:45, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Original research?
BA.1 (21K) is not the original Omircon variant (B.1.1.529, 21M, or you can call it BA or BA.0 if you would like), yet this article states something like "Following the original BA.1 variant..." Also, this article almost intentionally confused the Omicron variant (21M only) and the Omicron variants/lineage (including all BA.* variants as well). Thus I tagged this article with original research. The original Omircon variant almost disappeared immediately after it was discovered in Southern African states and in Hong Kong, as the statistics essentially registered zero, it's somewhat like the PANGOLIN lineages A.* that affect only a handful of people. Since the first Omicron wave it has been BA.1 or B.1.1.529.1. --173.68.165.114 (talk) 07:35, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, if I didn't get it wrong, PANGOLIN played a trick in nomenclature: the original Omicron variant, or the speculated common ancestor of BA.1 and BA.2 on the speculated patient zero, a.k.a. original variant B.1.1.529, is thought to date back to March 2021 and has never been discovered. When we discovered the first registered Omicron variant in November, we were already lagged 8 months behind the virus. Whe PANGOLIN system first designated the first registered Omicron variant on patient one as B.1.1.529 and then after realizing BA.2 is a cousin-variant instead of a offspring variant of the first registered Omicron variant on patient one, the PANGOLIN redefine B.1.1.529 to be the speculated greatgreatgreatgrandancestor of the first registered Omicron variant on patient one. In other words, the term B.1.1.529 has two definitions throughout history, and the first registered Omicron variant on patient one corresponds to two nodes in PANGOLIN (B.1.1.529/BA and B.1.1.529.1/BA.1), with the first one obsolete (and now refers to a different ancestor virus)? But if that is the case the statement "BA.1 is the original strain of the Omicron variant" is still highly confusing and potentially original research. --173.68.165.114 (talk) 09:20, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Similarily, the WHO term Omicron, also suffered from a change of definition - originally refers to all offsprings of the first registered Omicron variant (now known as B.1.1.529.1, originally known as B.1.1.529) on patient one (Nov. 9 2021), then to all offsprings of the speculated original Omicron variant (now known as B.1.1.529) on patient zero (March 2021). This would be comparable to, the term Delta first refers to B.1.617.2 and later gets redefined to be all offsprings of B.1.617 (i.e. including Kappa), which didn't happen. --173.68.165.114 (talk) 09:34, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * As of November 2022, I see plenty sources for the claim that BA.1 is the original strain of the Omicron variant (even if they are all wrong !). I cannot follow your argument, that this statement is WP:OR, so I will remove the flag that you placed at the top of the article in August. If you still disagree please reply here. Also, it is best to place a flag only over the respective section which you have issues with. This has become a huge article and seeing the OR flag right at the top tarnishes it. Wuerzele (talk) 12:16, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

XBB.1.5
Why isn't the XBB.1.5 ("Kraken") variant mentioned in the current version of this article? 76.190.213.189 (talk) 06:22, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes - *entirely* agree - however - due to a lack of WP:MEDRS noted, my previous edit addition was reverted - if interested, my reverted edit was as follows: => "On 7 January 2023, the CDC and The New York Times reported that the related XBB.1.5 subvariant (aka "Kraken"), described as "the most transmissible variant that has been detected yet", was spreading quickly in the United States in the last several weeks: 72% of new case in the Northeast; 27.6 % in the USA. " - *entirely* ok with me to re-add the edit or related  (with available, and possibly required, WP:MEDRS references of course) - additional references were posted on my FaceBook Page as: UPDATE: Related NYT News (1/7/2023) re Covid SubVariant XBB.1.5 (aka "Kraken") ("most transmissible"; "immune-evasive"?) (new cases: 72%-NE; 28%-USA) => https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/07/science/covid-omicron-variants-xbb.html - CDC => https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions - Wikipedia => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XBB.1.5 - in any case - hope this helps in some way - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 13:38, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * ADD - Not WP:MEDRS, but a recent related artice in The Washington Post may be worthy nonetheless I would think - Drbogdan (talk) 14:27, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * ADD - FYI - not for serious consideration for the main article, but of possible interest re current status of XBB.1.5 nonetheless - AMA News (1/11/2023) "XBB.1.5 variant: what you need to know now with Andrea Garcia, JD, MPH" - And - The New York Times - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 17:41, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Would need WP:MEDRS, especially since there's been a lot of apparently false scaremongering going around about this variant. Bon courage (talk) 13:45, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * - seems a recent related edit in a related article may be ok for mentioning the XBB.1.5 in this particular article as well - time for a merge of content or related? - Drbogdan (talk) 13:53, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Not a good source, but not that bad either - and without any scaremongering. Bon courage (talk) 13:55, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The WaPo piece in contrast, is just the sort of poorly-sourced scaremongering Wikipedia distances itself from. Bon courage (talk) 14:41, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * We four unarchived news sources, one uncited statement, and one unarchived WHO source in the #XBB_and_XBB.1 section. We definitely need a cleanup to get to a reasonable balance in terms of WP:MEDRS and reporting media claims in context, e.g. using this summary by a virologist from the University of Leeds in The Conversation. Someone with a few free minutes should do a cleanup/update :). Boud (talk) 07:53, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/SARS-CoV-2 Omicron BF.7 variant
This AfD discussion ended with a "merge." However, I found that the relevant material was already here at the target article. Here is a link to the source just before it was converted to a redirect. , if anyone wants to pull anything else over here. Joyous! | Talk 21:03, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you for post--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:33, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

immunocompromised state as a risk factors of reinfections.
A new study from Israel might be informative regarding the differences between pre-omicron/omicron reinfections and omicron/omicron reinfections. They found that compered to primary infection, immunocompromised state is the main risk factor.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0953620523001681?dgcid=coauthor 93.172.245.6 (talk) 22:20, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you for post--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:17, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

BA.2.86 (variant) and Asian countries
Okay sources say that samples have come from one country in the Middle East.--Please update the article if okay sources, report about other Asian countries.--(One other Asian country has been mentioned in sources today. But one will be waiting for this wiki-page to show an okay source, when such becomes available.) 2001:2020:313:F598:2003:E325:E9D5:B25A (talk) 16:35, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * will look--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:17, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Contradiction in page
First paragraph of main text says "first detected in Botswana", while infobox says "First detected: South Africa". Am I missing something as to why there's a contradiction? JJPlays (talk) 16:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)


 * From the History section, it looks like it was first detected in labs in both Botswana and South Africa from samples collected in the same span of time. The History section could use some clarification on whether they are referring to South Africa as a nation vs Southern Africa as a portion of the continent. (Botswana is in the southern portion of the African continent.) 184.62.88.78 (talk) 21:14, 9 May 2024 (UTC)